Come Anticipate "Brokeback Mountain" With Me

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I will concede Annie Hall. The film holds up surprisingly well. She's completely charming in it. Unfortunately, that was 30 years ago. But Buster Keaton...now there's a Keaton who won't destroy your film...unless, of course, you plan to make a talkie with sync-sound!

EComplex (EComplex), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I won't hijack this thread, but consider: Sleeper, Annie Hall, Manhattan, Reds, Shoot The Moon (her best performance), Mrs Soffel, The Good Mother, Baby Boom, Marvin's Room, Something To Live.

A lot of this films are awful, but all of them feature a great Keaton performance.

(And I haven't even mentioned her Kay in The Godfather series)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 12 November 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i saw it last week, and bloggeed about it, its v. v. v. good

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 17 November 2005 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Jake in denial? He says it's about "straight guys who fall in love"!

http://towleroad.typepad.com/towleroad/2005/11/gyllenhaal_in_d.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I mistakenly read the thread title as: Come Anticipate "Bareback Mountain" With Me

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

A paradgm play - social microsurgery masquerading as alpha man/beta boy love.

Proulx may well mitigate the course of many confused, love starved raging hearts...with 68 small pages (large typeset). Amazing. The book/movie underlines,capitalizes and italycizes auto-betrayal of the heart and unites its close cousins - anguish and hoplessness. This rendition of love exposes, in its tortuous lesson, the 'right key'. Timely

Brokenot, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link

This is the same Ang Lee who did "The Hulk," right?

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I won a navy blue Brokeback Mountain hanky at a bar last week for entering a photo contest (details, no).

Queer cultural critic Gary Indiana (who can be a real ninny, but not so much here maybe) isn't thrilled...

"The case has already been made by some critics that Ang Lee's is the first 'mainstream' movie with 'A-list stars' to deal with a gay male relationship—a weird assertion, given how narrowly 'mainstream' would have to be defined for this to be true, and how small the theater audience for mainstream films, however you define them, has become, and how wholly dependent on DVD sales and rentals this putative mainstream currently is. (As far as that goes, Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger, remarkable as they are as Jack and Ennis, respectively, have been 'A-list' stars for about six months, which isn't the same thing as being Barbra Streisand or Warren Beatty.)

I'm not sure what this type of claim is supposed to signify—that Hollywood is on the cutting edge of social progress? That every other movie on this subject has been merely a "festival film" or in some other way unimportant compared to one with saturation booking in a thousand multiplexes? Or could it mean that we prefer to think we're making progress when the clock is running backwards?"

http://villagevoice.com/film/0548,indiana,70453,20.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

J. Hoberman's review makes Gary Indiana's look like a (guarded) rave.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.filmsondisc.com/images/inandout.jpg

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm surprised, Morbius. i Love indiana's writing (although i suppose i haven't read that much of his journalism). "Resentment" is an incredible book and his BFI book on Salo is much better than that film is.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

my gf ADORED this, so not everyone's hatin...

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

yance you see this? tell me what i need to know about anne hathaway.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

ie, "Are her titties out?"

Dan (Blount Translator) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Jams, you stayed home from a screening? Just cuz Jake didn't shave his chest for this one?

Jed, you know about this:

Armond White vs Gary Indiana on Christianity & Bresson

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha! blount, i KNOW anne. she was good friends w/ some of my old roommates.

and no, i didn't make it to the screening. apparently heath ledger lives off the graham l stop. i think my gf is gonna stalk him. also, after seeing this and jarhead, lisa sez jake is 100% gay. the rumor is he's dating peter saarsgaard (maggie's a beard!).

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

uh, jake Gyllenhaal is probably a more recognizable star for most movie-going audiences than warren beatty these days. gary indiana you are an OLD MAN.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

See her as slutty rich evil girl in Havoc. Directed by the woman who did Harlan County, USA!

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

(ps i have no idea why anyone thinks a.h. is hot)

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked Indiana's piece, but I've yet to see a comparative study of the short story and film. The former is rather terse and unsentimental.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

the rumor is he's dating peter saarsgaard

Jams, you have given me too much dream fodder now... Heath & Michelle Williams lived in Cobble Hill, I thought (and old rumor is Naomi Watts usta beard for Heath).

Kyle, GI's point was that Beatty was a star for 40 years, that JG isn't the icon of 1960s/70s Warren.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Jake's actually shacked up with me. He's fixing gin and tonics as we speak.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

That's not the way it reads. He's saying that Gyllenahl and Ledger aren't stars of Beatty's and Streisand's caliber today - it's not that big a risk for them, they're not REAL stars.

Which is clearly bullshit. No one under the age of 45 cares about Beatty or Streisand (esp. Streisand).

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

yance if i'm ever back in ny you need to hook me up with anne hathaway

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 1 December 2005 02:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Is that like an outtake from Princess Diaries or something? WTF?

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Best DIsney movie ever.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 04:46 (eighteen years ago) link

the princess RED SHOE diaries!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 1 December 2005 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

He's saying that Gyllenahl and Ledger aren't stars of Beatty's and Streisand's caliber today

Since the last time either WB or BS made a film no one except their moms knew who Jake and Heath were, you're mistaken. He's saying it's not as big a risk for them as it would've been for the other two in 1971.

It may not even prove to be the best Disney film starring Gyllenhaal.


http://www.jakegyllenhaal.info/jgallery11.jpg

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Since the last time either WB or BS made a film no one except their moms knew who Jake and Heath were, you're mistaken. He's saying it's not as big a risk for them as it would've been for the other two in 1971.

Except he says nothing about 1971 or 'back in the day.' He says they've been stars for "six months" - which means they can't be cultural figures of Beatty and Streisand's magnitude.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

No, they can't. He's about 60, read between the lines.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

There's nothing between the lines to read. He says nothing about the past, or Beatty circa 1971. He's talking today - they're not big enough stars to claim this is a big risk on anyone's part.

That he's an old fogey may just underscore the fact that he's out of touch. No one cares about Beatty or Streisand. They could play gay grandparents all day long and no one would care - 'cuz no one will see them.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

You're right, Indiana must be an idiot.

How many big grossers have centered on JG or HL? None (Jarhead
is doing OK).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

No, he's just wrong on this. That is possible, you know. An older person can, in fact, be out of touch with the cultural zeitgeist and hanging on to the cultural values of their youth.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

milo, are you seriously saying that even in this day and age and despite the fact that the woman is WELL past her sell-by date, that barbra streisand is a star of the same magnitude as jakey & heathy?

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

because that's fucking insane.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

No, Milo is claiming that that's what Gary Indiana is saying, and he agrees with you that it's insane.

Now, Morbs, you're right that neither Gyllenhaal or Ledger have single-handedly carried a box-office smash (unless A Knight's Tale counts, which it probably shouldn't) -- but I'd argue that both are very much A-list stars. (And I bet lots of people went to see The Patriot and Day After Tomorrow because of Heath and Jake, respectively.)

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

jay, I think you misunderstood my point. Which is that Gary Indiana is actually kind of right vis a vis Jake G. v Barbra S. and their respective star magnitudes. A-list star is not the same thing as being absolutely enormous. If this movie starred Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp, that'd be the sort of magnitude being hinted at (whether or not I agree with the idea that smaller level stars makes a mainstream film by an A-list director "less risky").

The argument seems to take hold if you want to take on Warren Beatty tho, I mean I'm not really sure why he was Indiana's example.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I see what you mean now.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Is Babs enormous among any group of people not getting ready to collect a social security check?

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Since the last time either WB or BS made a film no one except their moms knew who Jake and Heath were, you're mistaken.

I am pretty sure that Streisand was one of the stars of the top-grossing comedy of 2004.

monkeybutler, Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I guess Ledger and Gyllenhaal are not yet HOLLYWOOD ROYALTY.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Is Babs enormous among any group of people not getting ready to collect a social security check?

I would be willing to bet you really good money that more people know who she is than know who Heath Ledger is.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Ally OTM! (except, really, Warren Beatty was A HUGE STAR in the '60s and '70s. He got an epic about American Communists financed by a studio, and showed it at the White House to Reagan.

Is Babs enormous among any group of people not getting ready to collect a social security check?

Been to the Castro or Chelsea lately?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Warren Beatty was a pretty big star but I don't think he's really...held it as well as Babs has. Like I can see Jake G. becoming a Warren Beatty, but not a Barbra Streisand (not just for obvious reasons) (though that would be totally hot)

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I just think that cos of Warren Beatty's kind of slide off, you know, he coulda used a better example...like why not Redford? Or, christ, DeNiro. I would pay a lot of money to see DeNiro break character and go gay at this point.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

No Yentl or The Mirror Has Two Faces for Jake! (c'mon, surely you'd take Dick Tracy or Bulworth over those.)

DeNiro's lack of "slide off"? Like, The Fan or Rocky and Billwinkle!? :o

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

No that's what I meant by I'd pay good money to see him go Brokeback Mountain! His recent films are all like almost universally crap! Though The Fan is great for comedic value. BUT he's someone who still gets a lot of respect, whereas Beatty makes Dick Tracy and people decide he's gone insane. But really DeNiro was a tangent brought on by Barbra Streisand via Meet the Fockers.

Redford though, he still stands as a valid example!

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

More people have heard of Streisand - but how many care about her, aside from the elderly (and apparently the gay)? I'd wager that as many people have heard of Bette Middler as Jake G - but that doesn't mean they care, or that she's culturally relevant.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link


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