Continuing with Spotify?

*like ums said above, they add up

post the 12 songs

otm

Relevant thread Stop Thinking of Yourself as a Good Person: The Ethics and Economics of Music Streaming

> The fear of getting kicked off/losing money probably also makes him self-censor

Pretty sure Rogan would make more money getting kicked off and becoming an alt-right cancel culture warrior. Hard to imagine Spotify or another platform will renew his show for more money. He's made his 100 mil, but he could still have fun as a Fox host for a few years or dip into the "i was canceled" book and speech tour circuit.

> the generation of GHGs by storing and streaming digital files is estimated to be between 200 million kilograms and over 350 million kilograms in the USA alone.

Dunno, those numbers are pretty hard to believe and the link provided seemed to source an art project not a research paper. Note that traditional music players are mechanical, using far more energy per play than solid state devices.

https://qz.com/1267709/every-google-search-results-in-co2-emissions-this-real-time-dataviz-shows-how-much/

Compare above, .2 grams CO2 equivalent per search query, vs. 8.91 kg CO2 per gallon of gas... seems like one trip to the record store by car would be thousands and thousands of streams...

Neanderthal, I wasn't trying to attack you, fwiw, and sorry if it came out that way. I just tend to think that in many cases, the purity Olympics stuff first happens because someone is on the defensive about their choices.

I didn't take it that way, don't worry. I'm the one that launched the initial salvo with my comments anyway :)

the 12 songs are

Steve Winwood - While You See a Chance
Crowded House - Don't Dream It's Over
Duran Duran - Ordinary World
Donna Summer - This Time I Know It's For Real
John Parr - St Elmo's Fire
Patti Smith - Because the Night
Hall & Oates - Kiss On My List
Billy Joel - This is the Time
Elton John - Healing Hands
Billy Ocean - Carribean Queen
Mariah Carey - Love Takes Time
Bruce Hornsby - Every Little Kiss
Simply Red - Holding Back the Years

it is formless and without rhyme or reason, i stand before you naked

Hey now, hey now

weirdly, this playlist started as a playlist of songs that I used to help me get into character as GW in Del Shores's Sordid Lives back in 2014, although it's a bit of a Ship of Theseus type thing as the title of the playlist changed and there are no original songs left from the original playlist (as it was uhhh quite different genre wise then).

Are folks really that attached to their playlists? We've been building a hiphop playlist for the past year or so and it's up to over 9 hours by this point. If that just suddenly went away, Andy would certainly be able to remember my favorites and build a similar one fairly easily elsewhere. Of all the reasons to give up Spotify, that seems like an odd one — feels like the same energy as the teacher who gets mad that someone erased their chalkboard, but also can't remember what was erased.

Also Neanderthal otm. No judgment ever from us. Part of our reliance on Spotify right now stems from the fact that the record collection is in storage. It's a frustrating flurry of conflicting thoughts.

the only real playlist of actual significance that I curated was for a friend, one who likes hip hop but wanted me to pick out personal favorites, not just songs that made generic "greatest hip hop tracks of the 90s" lists.

spent hours making it and the friend never used it so fuck her and fuck Spotify!

(jk she's fine just want my playlist recognized as pure gold that it is)

I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned allegiance to Spotify's curated playlists (like Rap Cavier, or whatever). Even though every service has its own variations, I thought some folks were loyal to those.

(e.g., YT Music has a playlist called Femme Fresh – terrible name, I know – that's all recent female r&b, and I definitely like that one)

There was a time when I really enjoyed Discover Weekly, but I barely listen to it anymore. The curated ones stink like payola. I wish they (or another service) leaned more into promotion of user-created playlists.

I don't listen to a lot of curated lists, but I use the radio feature a lot

just want my playlist recognized as pure gold that it is

― he's very big in the region of my butthole (Neanderthal), Monday, February 7, 2022 1:15 PM

The struggle is real, friend.😄

The only playlist I really wanted to keep was my "liked" tracks playlist which is several thousand tracks that I liked over the years. It's not really that huge of a deal but I wanted it enough that it was worth the 4.50$ it cost to transfer it over to Tidal.

Being manipulated to pay for something you created yourself is a very familiar feeling for academics like me …

I don't really have a p.o.v. on Neil Young calling for Spotify workers to resign & everyone else to withdraw their $ from certain banks, but I think it's funny that Pitchfork decided to straight-up call him a hypocrite in their reporting on it:

Despite his criticism of Spotify and big banks, Young has continued to point his fans to Amazon, which has earned heavy criticism for its inhumane working conditions and fervent union-busting.

Damn, that's cold, Pitchfork!

Are folks really that attached to their playlists? We've been building a hiphop playlist for the past year or so and it's up to over 9 hours by this point. If that just suddenly went away, Andy would certainly be able to remember my favorites and build a similar one fairly easily elsewhere. Of all the reasons to give up Spotify, that seems like an odd one — feels like the same energy as the teacher who gets mad that someone erased their chalkboard, but also can't remember what was erased.

There are some playlists that I have spent months working on (compiling and sequencing) and would feel crushed if Spotify vanished without warning. But if it announced it would shutting down in a week, I would just export the track listings as text files and rebuild them elsewhere. (I actually have some of them in a Google doc already, because I'm paranoid that a track might disappear without being grayed out and I'll forget it was ever there to begin with.)

does rogan still run ads on his show?

I went with Tidal yesterday. I like the interface and got an offer for 3 months for a dollar before the full price kicks in. It'll cost me $4.50 (one time) to convert playlists, which is fine since I'll save almost $20 with that $1 deal. I did discover that early Camper Van Beethoven is missing on Tidal but available on Spotify and Apple Music, which is odd.

YouTube Music seems to have all the CBV albums, but Amazon Music only has a few late-period ones (the band got the memo!!)

The box set is still p affordable on Discogs…

https://www.discogs.com/release/888500-Camper-Van-Beethoven-Cigarettes-And-Carrot-Juice-The-Santa-Cruz-Years

Spotify had a playlist called something like Badass Womyn at one point - Angel Olsen, Mitski, etc. indie rock - it was the first time I saw "womyn" since the early '00s.

I'm planning to switch to Tidal for the more expensive plan that gives half directly to the artists I listen to, curious to see some artists talk about how that impacts their royalty statements.

oh, I just realized that it's 10% of the monthly not half for twice the price. I'd rather just spend $2 extra on bandcamp every month, 99% of my listening will be in the car or walking with my PortaPros, don't think I need Dolby Atmos.

Isn't it 10% which goes to your single top artist? And given it's Tidal, don't they manipulate the books so it goes to Kanye and Beyonce no matter what?

Jay-Z I mean, not Kanye, forgot which arsehole was married to which for a moment.

split the 1500 tracks into two playlists of 750, migrate them both, then drag and drop the second playlist into the first playlist, right?

I've been on Qobuz for almost a month. Their desktop app design really needs some help.

I'm also trying hard to understand any real benefits of Qobuz over Tidal or Spotify. As far as I can tell Qobuz's library doesn't have anything over Spotify's besides the handful of artists who recently pulled their music. But I have yet to find any meaningful library differences.

Aah, the part where I responded to the italicized section got cut out.

Basically, I can't figure out how to combine 2 Qobuz playlists.

You don't Qobuz for the library, you Qobuz for the sound quality

Yeah, I couldn't figure that out either, or how to post-edit migrated playlists - and my trial expired a couple of weeks ago (looks like I can still play a random 30sec chunk of anything on there at 320k through the app, and my playlists are still there). I quite liked the interface, and the liner notes/credits.

xp

yep, if you're talking strictly catalog i might try deezer, they seem to have everything spotify has and some odd things that other services don't

The sound is very good but their apps could use more intuitive features imo.

yeah, honestly it's tough because i think spotify is pretty far ahead of a lot of the competitors in terms of useability

i do like that qobuz tries to make really nice actual human selected playlists or little summary playlists and articles about a certain label etc, their content can be pretty good sometimes

I wound up with Tidal instead of Qobuz largely because Tidal's UI is so close to Spotify's, with some things I like even more (placement of production credits, existence of songwriting credits, super big album art).

xp The Qobuz write-ups are cool and yea I'd like to find more playlists. I think you're right that they don't have any robot-selected playlists.

have you tried the phone app? I think it's better than the desktop

Yea I spent some time organizing my playlists yesterday and since then the phone app auto-organized them back to where they were lol.

It's still better than the desktop app tho.

the big thing the desktop app still supports that other versions do not is the ability to play folders of nested lists as one big playlist

i have now tried qobuz and tidal and i’m sticking with tidal. tidal rules

I've imported all my playlists from spotify into tidal. I'd like to be able to select them all and then dump them into a folder. is this possible

Tidal's algorithmic elements (like a radio station based on a song) still seem to lag behind Spotify, about equal to Apple Music.

Keep hoping one service will break through the sexist algorithm barrier, ie making a station based on a song by The Beths or Dry Cleaning it pays attention to genre rather than just populating a list with bands with women singing.

I don't subscribe to any streamers, but I've done Spotify and TIDAL on a trial basis and I thought TIDAL was better than Spotify by a good margin across the board. Algorithms don't mean anything to me because I always pick what I play. I'm kind of stuck with "free" Spotify as a way of trying out albums before I buy them, but if I ever make the plunge to subscribe, it would definitely be TIDAL.

making a station based on a song by The Beths or Dry Cleaning it pays attention to genre rather than just populating a list with bands with women singing.

xp I just tried this in YT Music (for the Beths), and get stuff like Malkmus, New Pornos, CYHSY, etc.

(oh, sorry, I was in Amazon Music. Just tried it in YTM and got not as diverse results)

(now tried Dry Cleaning in Amazon, and also get acts with both men and/or women singing)

Not Spotify-specific news, but Snoop what are you doing, bro????