And you got the cigarettes, that's what I've been dreaming of
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 5 February 2022 19:57 (two years ago) link
people are reporting that spotify has taken down around 70 joe rogan episodes lately
https://www.jremissing.com/
― Punster McPunisher, Saturday, 5 February 2022 20:17 (two years ago) link
aiui that’s almost 1000 hours of problematic content
― chang.eng partition (wins), Saturday, 5 February 2022 20:25 (two years ago) link
Looking at that list, I was thinking... how many times has he had the former Arsenal and England goalkeeper on?! Oh, it's some nutcase.
― Michael Jones, Saturday, 5 February 2022 22:15 (two years ago) link
Didnt they already remove like 40 episodes when they first made the deal with him? Great guy to get into business with, just need to memory-hole a few hundred hours of his content every couple years, no biggie.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Saturday, 5 February 2022 22:44 (two years ago) link
culture wars are a waste of everyone's time. i suppose that's kind of the point.
this really does just get worse from here, doesn't it?
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Saturday, 5 February 2022 22:53 (two years ago) link
Napster used to be called Rhapsody and I've been subscribing to them since 2006. If there was another, earlier streaming service someone let me know. It was really annoying to see Spotify swoop in and get all the glory years later.
― DT, Saturday, 5 February 2022 23:14 (two years ago) link
Eve 6 dude posting pictures of what the band looked like when they signed the contract that would wind up denying them any Spotify royalties in the present day is pretty powerful, they were literally teenagers
― frogbs, Sunday, 6 February 2022 03:25 (two years ago) link
Eve 6 dude should point out that they didn't actually sign with Sony in 1997, they signed with RCA, whose parent company merged with Sony in 2004, the same year Eve 6 initially disbanded. I bring this up because I think it's more powerful to illustrate how their destiny has been controlled by a label they had nothing to do with that now also controls part of Spotify.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 6 February 2022 04:12 (two years ago) link
Womp etc
Full text of Spotify CEO Daniel Ek’s note to staff: pic.twitter.com/3FHlmzV3UW— Peter Kafka (@pkafka) February 7, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 February 2022 04:19 (two years ago) link
things i did this week: *bought something off bandcamp for the first time (fwiw, it's virginia astley!)*switched over to tidal and dropped our family spotify account
― class project pat (m bison), Monday, 7 February 2022 04:25 (two years ago) link
tidal needs to work on their selection from japan and/or noise stuff but they had most of what i listen to lately/historically
― class project pat (m bison), Monday, 7 February 2022 04:26 (two years ago) link
I mostly listen to jazz, so the improvement in sound quality with Tidal just on their standard $10/month level is really noticeable. ECM stuff in particular sounds incredible.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 7 February 2022 12:43 (two years ago) link
Tempted to switch to Tidal but apparently they don't offer an older version compatible with my old iPad iOS which I leave connected to my hifi and control with my iPhone and Mac which is a pretty convenient setting...Also, it's weird, their website/app says the Hifi standard level is supposed to cost 9.99€ but once I subscribe it's actually 12.99€. Not a big deal but still a bit annoying...
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 7 February 2022 13:38 (two years ago) link
unperson I assume you were using Spotify's highest quality setting before?
― brisk money (lukas), Monday, 7 February 2022 13:39 (two years ago) link
I was about to jump ship from Spotify to YT Music but I chickened out and renewed with Spotify for another month. YT Music apes the Spotify design which makes it feel familiar but just having all my playlists on Spotify means its hard to cancel. Im on vacation now for 2 weeks so im just looking for ease atm.
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Monday, 7 February 2022 13:40 (two years ago) link
Yeah my main issue with switching is to lose my library which took years to build (regarding playlists, it seems it's possible to transfer them)...
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 7 February 2022 13:43 (two years ago) link
Maybe this is me being too hand-wavey, but all of these problems about switching and etc could be easily solved...by embracing tradition and paying for digital or physical copies of music.
Streaming is a scam, I've been saying it for a long time.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Monday, 7 February 2022 13:47 (two years ago) link
We all know its a scam
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Monday, 7 February 2022 14:03 (two years ago) link
And this is precisely why Spotify can continue to do whatever it wants and are well aware of it. “Yeah, I know they’re responsible for giving a platform to racism and dangerous pseudo-science but I really like my playlists!”
― zacata, Monday, 7 February 2022 14:19 (two years ago) link
hi people who can’t quit spotify, remember when there was no streaming and you still loved and enjoyed music? all of maybe 5 years ago?
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 7 February 2022 14:43 (two years ago) link
12 years ago, but point taken. I'm not as precious about my playlists as some people are, but you should take a look at my completely disorganized mp3 folders and try to make sense of them. I'm not going back to that!
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 7 February 2022 14:46 (two years ago) link
Bandcamp’s app is getting better. They just released an update that supports queuing. Playlists seem like a logical next step and would be cool.― beard papa, Friday, February 4, 2022 7:11 AM (three days ago)
― beard papa, Friday, February 4, 2022 7:11 AM (three days ago)
― Attached by piercing jewelry (bernard snowy), Monday, 7 February 2022 14:52 (two years ago) link
eheh, more like 7-8 years but yeah, touché !That said, Spotify worked for me precisely because things were not convenient at all before that with a mix of soulseek/iTunes and transferring music from cds into iPhones/iPods etc.and if we go back earlier, when it was only cds, well I simply listened to less things, stuck with what I could afford buying each month.I know it's bad of course but streaming services allowed me to listen to so many new stuff and broaden my scope in music.
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 7 February 2022 14:53 (two years ago) link
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 7 February 2022 14:43 (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
spotify has been a key and irreplaceable component of my listening since 2009, but go off
― imago, Monday, 7 February 2022 14:54 (two years ago) link
A complete list of all the music I bought in 2021:
PHYSICALAhmed Abdul-Malik, Four Classic Albums 2CDApartment House, John Cage Number Pieces 4CDBad Brains, Bad Brains CDHarry Bertoia, Complete Sonambient Collection 11CDDavid Bowie, Stage (2017 remaster) 2CDDavid Bowie, Welcome to the Blackout (Live London ’78) 2CDLester Bowie, All the Numbers 2CDWeedie Braimah, The Hands of Time CDJaimie Branch, Fly Or Die Live 2CDAnthony Braxton, Freedom Years 2CDJames Brown, Live at Home With His Bad Self CDCannibal Corpse, Red Before Black CDCannibal Corpse, A Skeletal Domain CDCannibal Corpse, Violence Unimagined CDJohn Coltrane, Blue World CDJohn Coltrane, A Love Supreme: Live in Seattle CDCreative Construction Company, Vols. 1 & 2 CDBill Dixon, Envoi CDDr. John, Atco Albums Collection 7CDEarthless, Rhythms From a Cosmic Sky CDEarthless, Sonic Prayer CDEarthless, From the Ages CDEarthless, Night Parade of One Hundred Demons CDFire, Defeat CDFloating Points, Pharoah Sanders & The London Symphony Orchestra, Promises CDMerle Haggard: Down Every Road 1962-1994 4CDPJ Harvey, Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea: Demos CDPJ Harvey, Uh Huh Her: Demos CDPJ Harvey, Is This Desire?: Demos CDHampton Hawes, Complete Albums Collection 1955-1961 4CDJulius Hemphill, Big Band CDIrreversible Entanglements, Open the Gates CDKhanate, Khanate 2CDKhanate, Things Viral 2CDKhanate, Capture & Release 2CDKhanate, Clean Hands Go Foul CDHubert Laws, Morning Star/Carnegie Hall/The Chicago Theme 2CDHubert Laws, In the Beginning/In Concert – Carnegie Hall 2CDDamon Locks Black Monument Ensemble, Now CDDamon Locks Black Monument Ensemble, Where Future Unfolds CDLoop, Heavens End 2CDLoop, Fade Out 2CDLoop, A Gilded Eternity 2CDMichael Mantler, The Jazz Composers Orchestra CDMastodon, Hushed & Grim 2CDRob Mazurek Exploding Star Orchestra, Dimensional Stardust CDCharles Mingus, Mingus at Carnegie Hall: Deluxe Edition 2CDRoscoe Mitchell, Congliptious CDRoscoe Mitchell, Old/Quartet Sessions 2CDRoscoe Mitchell, Before There Was Sound CDHedvig Mollestad Trio, Ding Dong. You’re Dead. CDLee Morgan, The Complete Live at the Lighthouse 8CDMudhoney, Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge 30th Anniversary Deluxe Edition 2CDOhio Players, Fire/Skin Tight 2CDOhio Players, Honey/Contradiction 2CDPerturbator, Lustful Sacraments CDRadiohead, Kid A Mnesia 3CDRoots Magic, Hoodoo Blues CDRoots Magic, Last Kind Words CDRoots Magic, Take Root Among the Stars CDSeefeel, Rupt + Flex 1994-1996 4CDThe Skatalites, Best of the Skatalites 2CDSons of Kemet, Black to the Future CDSteppenwolf, Magic Carpet Ride: The ABC/Dunhill Years 1967-1971 8CDSunn O))), Metta, Benevolence CDBooker T. & the MGs, Stax Singles Vol. 1 CDBooker T. & the MGs, Stax Singles Vol. 2 CDCecil Taylor, Air Above Mountains CDCecil Taylor, Fly!Fly!Fly!Fly!Fly! CDCecil Taylor, Music From Two Continents CDCecil Taylor Quintet, Lifting the Bandstand CDCecil Taylor Ensemble, Göttingen 2CDCecil Taylor/Bill Dixon/Tony Oxley, Cecil Taylor/Bill Dixon/Tony Oxley CDAnna Thorvaldsdottir, Enigma CDCedar Walton, Eastern Rebellion 1-4 4CD DIGITALAbominable Putridity, Parasitic Metamorphosis ManifestationAlaridos, HorcaASC, An Increase in EntropyAsphyxiate, Altar of DecomposedAutomaton, Dub Terror ExhaustAutomaton, JihadAlbert Ayler Quintet, Berlin, Paris, Lörrach & Stockholm RevisitedBCUC, Our TruthBCUC, EmakhosiniBCUC, The HealingBeastmaker, Body and SoulBiomorphic Engulfment, Incubation in the Parallel DimensionBlack Flower, Ghost RadioBLK OPS, The Heroic DosePeter Brötzmann, Never Too Late But Always Too EarlyPeter Brötzmann/Maleem Mahmoud Gania/Hamid Drake, The Wels ConcertBig Bad Brötzmann Trio, Biturbo!, Cap’nBig Bad Brötzmann Trio/John Edwards & John Eckhardt, Hot Ass/Beauty LegsBig Bad Brötzmann Quintet, Bambule!Big Bad Brötzmann Quintet, Karacho!The Bug, FireCadaveric Fumes, Dimensions ObscureCan, Live In Brighton 1975Carbon Based Lifeforms, StochasticIan Carr Double Quintet, Solar SessionGeorge Coleman, Amsterdam After DarkIsaiah Collier & The Chosen Few, Cosmic TransitionsDiskord, DegenerationsDispersed, Where Silence ReignsDistant, Dusk of AnguishDistant, Aeons of OblivionD-Town Brass, UrD-Town Brass, DemiurgeEkulu, Unscrew My HeadEna, Divided: MindEna, Divided: BodyEna, DividedEna, Divided 9 & 10Ena, BinauralEna, Binaural (Part 2)Flesh Hoarder, Relic of Putrescent FilthFruko y sus Tesos, TesuraFruko y sus Tesos, A la Memoria del MuertoG36, Floor Weapons Vol. 1Galvanizer, Prying Sight of ImperceptionGalvanizer, Sanguine VigilThe Gathering, Leimert ParkLafayette Gilchrist, Towards the Shining PathLafayette Gilchrist, New Urban World BluesLafayette Gilchrist, The GoGo Suite: Live at the Windup SpaceLafayette Gilchrist, Deep Dancing SuiteGreen River, Come On DownGreen River, Dry as a Bone: Deluxe EditionGreen River, Rehab Doll: Deluxe EditionMuriel Grossmann, UnionInnov Gnawa, Innov GnawaInnov Gnawa, LilaInnov Gnawa, AichaIntestinal Pestilence, Rotten Cadaver ForsakenNicole Johänntgen, Henry IIIKurushimi, Return 2: The GroveBill Laswell, Sacred System Dub Chamber 1 – Book of EntranceBill Laswell, Sacred System Dub Chamber 2 – Black ChannelBill Laswell, Sacred System Dub Chamber 3 – The ExegesisBill Laswell, Sacred System Dub Chamber 4 – Version 2 VersionBill Laswell, Sacred System Dub Chamber 5 – Book of ExitMadam Data, The Gospel of the DevourerMadam Data, For Agnes Martin – Six Architectures in Light and WaterKevin Richard Martin, Red LightKevin Richard Martin, White LightKevin Richard Martin, Melting PointKoichi Matsukaze Trio Featuring Ryojiro Furusawa, At the Room 427Charles McPherson, Charles McPhersonCharles McPherson, Siku Ya BibiMeshum, Enigmatic Existential EssenceMetharoma, Pipe Dreams (Through the Alley)Kohsuke Mine, FirstJason Moran, The Sound Will Tell YouJason Moran/Milford Graves, Graves/Moran Live at Big EarsNazamba, VexOther Dimensions in Music, Other Dimensions in MusicOther Dimensions in Music, Live at the SunsetOther Dimensions in Music, Now!Other Dimensions in Music, Time is of the Essence is Beyond TimeOther Dimensions in Music, Kaiso StoriesWilliam Parker/In Order To Survive, The Peach OrchardJohn Patton, Soul ConnectionPyrexia, Gravitas MaximusRelapso, FierceRelapso, HininReplicant, Malignant RealityReplicant, Worthless DesiresReplicant, Negative LifeReplicant, Hypochondria of the MachineReplicant, Welcome to New JerseyReplicant, UnbeingMichi Sarmiento, Aqui Los Bravos! The Best Of Michi Sarmiento y su Combo Bravo 1966-67Scorn, The Only PlaceAyanda Sikade, MovementsNala Sinephro, Live at Real World StudiosSlant, 1Slant, Vain Attempt EPNate Smith, Kinfolk: Postcards From EverywhereSpirits Rejoice, African SpacesLuke Stewart & Jarvis Earnshaw Quartet, Luke Stewart & Jarvis Earnshaw QuartetSunn O))), НЕЖИТЬ: живьём в РоссииTong Tong, Tong Tong Greatest HitsTrouble, The SkullTrouble, Psalm 9Trouble, TroubleTrouble, Manic FrustrationHerbie Tsoaeli, At This Point in Time: Voices in VolumesLenny White, Big CityLenny White, Venusian SummerWildflower, Better TimesVarious Artists, Axaminer Sampler Vol. 5Various Artists, Axaminer Sampler Vol. 6Various Artists, Axaminer Sampler Vol. 7Various Artists, Axaminer Sampler Vol. 8Various Artists, Bangs & Works Vol.1 (A Chicago Footwork Compilation)Various Artists, Bangs & Works Vol.1 (The Best of Chicago Footwork)Various Artists, Cartagena! Curro Fuentes & The Big Band Cumbia and Descarga Sound Of Colombia 1962-72Various Artists, Colombia! the Golden Age of Discos Fuentes. the Powerhouse of Colombian Music 1960-76Various Artists, Perihelion 2209Various Artists, Total 21Various Artists, Vision One: Vision Festival 1997 Compiled
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 7 February 2022 14:57 (two years ago) link
i buy 25-30 albums a year on bandcamp btw, but expecting me to buy every album i hear is obviously ridiculous, as is expecting me to listen to less music
can a mod get that unperson post pls
― imago, Monday, 7 February 2022 14:57 (two years ago) link
no, it's definitely our fault that spotify gave $100 million to a covid denying racist idiot.
― ledge, Monday, 7 February 2022 14:58 (two years ago) link
Lol, ILX, the place where even Spotify can be turned into a “I was into it before it was cool” assertion.
I’m going to leave this thread now but from my perspective any argument for remaining with Spotify is extremely weak and self-serving and if you really rely on the convenience of playlists that heavily to hear music maybe it’s time for your brain to expand into other means of discovery anyway.
― zacata, Monday, 7 February 2022 14:59 (two years ago) link
Thoughts about buying physical media, or cds at least, in 2022.
cd players are still less portable than ipods (lol) and, now, smartphones. But smartphones are limited in how much music you can store, and streaming eliminates that quandary.
Also, have you shopped for a car manufactured in the last 6-8 years? They don't build them with cd players anymore. So it's back to the phone problem above.
Streaming is not bad technology. It's GREAT technology. It's just run by jerkoffs.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 7 February 2022 15:02 (two years ago) link
it isn't an 'i was into it before it was cool' assertion, it is an 'i do not know what i would do without it' assertion
― imago, Monday, 7 February 2022 15:04 (two years ago) link
spotify has been key to helping me find tons of things to buy on bandcamp over the past year. I wouldn't have been able to find them directly on bandcamp, and in fact, even when I know exactly what I want to buy, it is still difficult to find a large portion of the items I want on bandcamp without doing a lot of creative searching
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 7 February 2022 15:10 (two years ago) link
oh yeah, does rapidshare still work?
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 7 February 2022 15:11 (two years ago) link
Arcade Fire guy does a good job a tying together Rogan frustrations with general Spotify frustrations
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/neil-young-spotify-joe-rogan-musicians/621503/?utm_source=feed
― bendy, Monday, 7 February 2022 15:32 (two years ago) link
Lost me at "It’s certainly how I listen to music"
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 7 February 2022 15:54 (two years ago) link
Before streaming I was just doing my music exploration by downloading a lot of music through file sharing networks, ever since the days of Napster in the late 90s, so close to 25 years ago now. Streaming has just made all of this more convenient. Never in my adult life did I buy more than 5% of the albums that I listened to (that 5% still adds up to a lot though). There's no going back really.
― silverfish, Monday, 7 February 2022 16:42 (two years ago) link
not a big fan of some of the sanctimony about this, because it continues to vilify the consumer at the expense of the company ("lol of COURSE *they're* terrible - they're a horrible start up! what's YOUR excuse!").
as I mentioned upthread, before the mass exodus started, Rogan had already done many of these things, and many of the people who are loudly (not necessarily ITT mind you) making the move and scolding those that won't are people who were well aware of how horrible Rogan was and ranting about him daily. these weren't people who were aloof until the Neil Young incident opened their eyes, these were people who already knew but didn't take action until after Neil Young. Which, fine....I'm not judging you for waiting, but the finger-pointing is really fucking lame.
like I fully support everybody ITT or outside this thread who is deciding to leave Spotify. I support boycotts of all kinds, and participate in them (ie Chick-Fil-A, who I haven't eaten at in like a decade). but if we're going to do "capitalist purity olympics", we can start another thread for that and decide who is the least problematic spender of all of us (I'll save you the trouble - it's not me).
― he's very big in the region of my butthole (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 February 2022 17:45 (two years ago) link
and in that thread we can examine your discography too to make sure the politics of all musicians closely align with what is acceptable.
― he's very big in the region of my butthole (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 February 2022 17:46 (two years ago) link
oh shit the triple reverse sanctimony dunk
― adam, Monday, 7 February 2022 18:27 (two years ago) link
but if we're going to do "capitalist purity olympics", we can start another thread for that and decide who is the least problematic spender of all of us (I'll save you the trouble - it's not me).
I think an "ethical consumption: c/d?" thread could maybe have been interesting at one point but idk
― rob, Monday, 7 February 2022 18:34 (two years ago) link
Is it even clear at this point that Spotify dropping Rogan would actually reduce his reach? This article from last year makes it seem like it could have the opposite effect: https://www.theverge.com/22632213/joe-rogan-experience-spotify-exclusive-audience-reach
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Monday, 7 February 2022 18:36 (two years ago) link
The fear of getting kicked off/losing money probably also makes him self-censor.
― beard papa, Monday, 7 February 2022 19:10 (two years ago) link
as noted elsewhere I don’t give a shit about Rogan, the fundamental working model of Spotify is to pay nothing for content and charge for listening, and deviate from that just enough to convince people they are getting great value, which works out to no income and free content for artists convinced they need it for exposure. I’m also told by the press, but haven’t properly looked for the evidence, that streaming is the most wasteful way to consume music. If they can platform some covertly racist moron with a large reach for whatever million to drive revenue, that’s entirely compatible with their demonstrated ethics, and Ek says so in his memo. Convenience may have brought you to the service in all innocence, but now you know, staying is a choice.
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 7 February 2022 19:12 (two years ago) link
Although the amount of plastics consumed by the industry dropped to 8 million kilograms in 2016 from a high of 61 million kilograms at the CD’s peak in 2000, when the study translated the production of plastics and the generation of electricity into greenhouse gas equivalents (GHGs), streaming generates far more. While GHGs peaked at 157 million in 2000 under the physical era, the generation of GHGs by storing and streaming digital files is estimated to be between 200 million kilograms and over 350 million kilograms in the USA alone.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 7 February 2022 19:18 (two years ago) link
Thank you for that, what’s the source?(and please excuse my streaming runon sentences in the previous)
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 7 February 2022 19:24 (two years ago) link
https://www.factmag.com/2019/04/09/streaming-music-emissions-study/
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 7 February 2022 19:25 (two years ago) link
"When I voted for the Face Eating Tigers party, I didn't think they would eat my face."
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 7 February 2022 19:28 (two years ago) link
We're not doing capitalist purity Olympics, tho— y'all are just angry that you're being called out for a weak and indefensible stance about Spotify because of your precious fucking playlists.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Monday, 7 February 2022 19:40 (two years ago) link
For me it's not the playlists as much as that my music budget won't allow for me to buy every Aleksi Perälä album. But I have to listen to them constantly.
― beard papa, Monday, 7 February 2022 19:44 (two years ago) link
i already cancelled my Spotify, so I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm having to do major cost cutting because I have an excess spending issue and while that was ok when I lived alone, I have to loan mom money a ton now since she can't work so I gotta cut the number of subs, like ums said above. but as I've said above, I buy all of my music and have always done so. have probably spent over $15,000 - $20,000 on music in the last decade alone. and merch, and concert tix etc....45%-50% of my spending is probably music and if I stopped buying it, I'd probably have a well funded 401(k). but fuck that shit.
the only reason I ever felt ethically comfortable using Spotify in the first place is that I was only using it to listen to material I already owned in physical format but couldn't locate the physical release (because I'm horribly disorganized), so if anything the band was getting paid multiple times (albeit, very little) on top of what I already paid them to own their music. prior to that, I never used Rhapsody, and was buying physical media exclusively.
I buy everything digitally simply because a) my last two houses have little to no living space and cds/vinyl take up a huge chunk of space and b) I'm horribly disorganized and more material is more clutter. also because I had two stereo systems eat it in the span of two years and was tired of rebuying them. and also, some of what I like is difficult to find on physical media but has digital versions available for purchase. or bands release digital only or have delayed physical releases.
so my opinion's not colored by me feeling targeted. i have precisely one playlist, which has 12 songs on it, and could be recreated on any other platform.
― he's very big in the region of my butthole (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 February 2022 19:51 (two years ago) link