Continuing with Spotify?

there's a lot of classical, I think if that's a focus Qobuz might be better but it's a bit more expensive

the $10 hifi Tidal is CD quality vs MP3 on Spotify

AFAIK Tidal hifi is FLAC, Spotify 'hifi ('very high' quality setting) is AAC 256kbit/s (or 320?).

Thanks!

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/feb/05/joe-rogan-apologises-for-using-n-word-and-racist-planet-of-the-apes-story

Some highlights:

"The podcast host Joe Rogan has offered “sincere and humble apologies” after footage emerged of him repeatedly using the N-word on his hit show.
The musician India Arie has also announced she would leave the streaming service in protest, saying she objected to Rogan’s “language around race”.
She shared an edited compilation of clips of Rogan using the N-word more than 20 times on her instagram account.
Rogan also addressed a clip that Arie shared of him telling an anecdote in which he appeared to compare being around black people with the film Planet of the Apes.
He said: “I was telling a story in the podcast about how me and my friend Tommy and his girlfriend, we got really high, we’re in Philadelphia, and we went to go see Planet of the Apes.
“We didn’t know where we were going, we just got dropped off by a cab, and we got dropped off in this all-black neighbourhood.
“And I was trying to make the story entertaining and I said: ‘We got out, and it was like we were in Africa, like we were in Planet of the Apes.’"

we got really high

oh in that case, it's totally fine then apparently????

You don't have to scratch very deep to find the racist in a lot of these bros.

i kinda like where rogan is headed. i may start listening now. pic.twitter.com/BZxFPrluZC

— ben schwartz (@benschwartz_) February 5, 2022

“what are they going to say about, joe? what? are they going to say he was a smart man? he was an informed man? that he knew what he was talking about? bullshit, man!” pic.twitter.com/lTheKTR3KG

— ben schwartz (@benschwartz_) February 5, 2022

And you got the cigarettes, that's what I've been dreaming of

people are reporting that spotify has taken down around 70 joe rogan episodes lately

https://www.jremissing.com/

aiui that’s almost 1000 hours of problematic content

Looking at that list, I was thinking... how many times has he had the former Arsenal and England goalkeeper on?! Oh, it's some nutcase.

Didnt they already remove like 40 episodes when they first made the deal with him? Great guy to get into business with, just need to memory-hole a few hundred hours of his content every couple years, no biggie.

culture wars are a waste of everyone's time. i suppose that's kind of the point.

this really does just get worse from here, doesn't it?

Napster used to be called Rhapsody and I've been subscribing to them since 2006. If there was another, earlier streaming service someone let me know. It was really annoying to see Spotify swoop in and get all the glory years later.

Eve 6 dude posting pictures of what the band looked like when they signed the contract that would wind up denying them any Spotify royalties in the present day is pretty powerful, they were literally teenagers

Eve 6 dude should point out that they didn't actually sign with Sony in 1997, they signed with RCA, whose parent company merged with Sony in 2004, the same year Eve 6 initially disbanded. I bring this up because I think it's more powerful to illustrate how their destiny has been controlled by a label they had nothing to do with that now also controls part of Spotify.

Womp etc

Full text of Spotify CEO Daniel Ek’s note to staff: pic.twitter.com/3FHlmzV3UW

— Peter Kafka (@pkafka) February 7, 2022

things i did this week:
*bought something off bandcamp for the first time (fwiw, it's virginia astley!)
*switched over to tidal and dropped our family spotify account

tidal needs to work on their selection from japan and/or noise stuff but they had most of what i listen to lately/historically

I mostly listen to jazz, so the improvement in sound quality with Tidal just on their standard $10/month level is really noticeable. ECM stuff in particular sounds incredible.

Tempted to switch to Tidal but apparently they don't offer an older version compatible with my old iPad iOS which I leave connected to my hifi and control with my iPhone and Mac which is a pretty convenient setting...
Also, it's weird, their website/app says the Hifi standard level is supposed to cost 9.99€ but once I subscribe it's actually 12.99€. Not a big deal but still a bit annoying...

unperson I assume you were using Spotify's highest quality setting before?

I was about to jump ship from Spotify to YT Music but I chickened out and renewed with Spotify for another month. YT Music apes the Spotify design which makes it feel familiar but just having all my playlists on Spotify means its hard to cancel. Im on vacation now for 2 weeks so im just looking for ease atm.

Yeah my main issue with switching is to lose my library which took years to build (regarding playlists, it seems it's possible to transfer them)...

Maybe this is me being too hand-wavey, but all of these problems about switching and etc could be easily solved...by embracing tradition and paying for digital or physical copies of music.

Streaming is a scam, I've been saying it for a long time.

We all know its a scam

And this is precisely why Spotify can continue to do whatever it wants and are well aware of it. “Yeah, I know they’re responsible for giving a platform to racism and dangerous pseudo-science but I really like my playlists!”

hi people who can’t quit spotify, remember when there was no streaming and you still loved and enjoyed music? all of maybe 5 years ago?

12 years ago, but point taken. I'm not as precious about my playlists as some people are, but you should take a look at my completely disorganized mp3 folders and try to make sense of them. I'm not going back to that!

Bandcamp’s app is getting better. They just released an update that supports queuing. Playlists seem like a logical next step and would be cool.

― beard papa, Friday, February 4, 2022 7:11 AM (three days ago)

eheh, more like 7-8 years but yeah, touché !
That said, Spotify worked for me precisely because things were not convenient at all before that with a mix of soulseek/iTunes and transferring music from cds into iPhones/iPods etc.
and if we go back earlier, when it was only cds, well I simply listened to less things, stuck with what I could afford buying each month.
I know it's bad of course but streaming services allowed me to listen to so many new stuff and broaden my scope in music.

hi people who can’t quit spotify, remember when there was no streaming and you still loved and enjoyed music? all of maybe 5 years ago?

― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 7 February 2022 14:43 (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

spotify has been a key and irreplaceable component of my listening since 2009, but go off

Maybe this is me being too hand-wavey, but all of these problems about switching and etc could be easily solved...by embracing tradition and paying for digital or physical copies of music.

A complete list of all the music I bought in 2021:

PHYSICAL
Ahmed Abdul-Malik, Four Classic Albums 2CD
Apartment House, John Cage Number Pieces 4CD
Bad Brains, Bad Brains CD
Harry Bertoia, Complete Sonambient Collection 11CD
David Bowie, Stage (2017 remaster) 2CD
David Bowie, Welcome to the Blackout (Live London ’78) 2CD
Lester Bowie, All the Numbers 2CD
Weedie Braimah, The Hands of Time CD
Jaimie Branch, Fly Or Die Live 2CD
Anthony Braxton, Freedom Years 2CD
James Brown, Live at Home With His Bad Self CD
Cannibal Corpse, Red Before Black CD
Cannibal Corpse, A Skeletal Domain CD
Cannibal Corpse, Violence Unimagined CD
John Coltrane, Blue World CD
John Coltrane, A Love Supreme: Live in Seattle CD
Creative Construction Company, Vols. 1 & 2 CD
Bill Dixon, Envoi CD
Dr. John, Atco Albums Collection 7CD
Earthless, Rhythms From a Cosmic Sky CD
Earthless, Sonic Prayer CD
Earthless, From the Ages CD
Earthless, Night Parade of One Hundred Demons CD
Fire, Defeat CD
Floating Points, Pharoah Sanders & The London Symphony Orchestra, Promises CD
Merle Haggard: Down Every Road 1962-1994 4CD
PJ Harvey, Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea: Demos CD
PJ Harvey, Uh Huh Her: Demos CD
PJ Harvey, Is This Desire?: Demos CD
Hampton Hawes, Complete Albums Collection 1955-1961 4CD
Julius Hemphill, Big Band CD
Irreversible Entanglements, Open the Gates CD
Khanate, Khanate 2CD
Khanate, Things Viral 2CD
Khanate, Capture & Release 2CD
Khanate, Clean Hands Go Foul CD
Hubert Laws, Morning Star/Carnegie Hall/The Chicago Theme 2CD
Hubert Laws, In the Beginning/In Concert – Carnegie Hall 2CD
Damon Locks Black Monument Ensemble, Now CD
Damon Locks Black Monument Ensemble, Where Future Unfolds CD
Loop, Heavens End 2CD
Loop, Fade Out 2CD
Loop, A Gilded Eternity 2CD
Michael Mantler, The Jazz Composers Orchestra CD
Mastodon, Hushed & Grim 2CD
Rob Mazurek Exploding Star Orchestra, Dimensional Stardust CD
Charles Mingus, Mingus at Carnegie Hall: Deluxe Edition 2CD
Roscoe Mitchell, Congliptious CD
Roscoe Mitchell, Old/Quartet Sessions 2CD
Roscoe Mitchell, Before There Was Sound CD
Hedvig Mollestad Trio, Ding Dong. You’re Dead. CD
Lee Morgan, The Complete Live at the Lighthouse 8CD
Mudhoney, Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge 30th Anniversary Deluxe Edition 2CD
Ohio Players, Fire/Skin Tight 2CD
Ohio Players, Honey/Contradiction 2CD
Perturbator, Lustful Sacraments CD
Radiohead, Kid A Mnesia 3CD
Roots Magic, Hoodoo Blues CD
Roots Magic, Last Kind Words CD
Roots Magic, Take Root Among the Stars CD
Seefeel, Rupt + Flex 1994-1996 4CD
The Skatalites, Best of the Skatalites 2CD
Sons of Kemet, Black to the Future CD
Steppenwolf, Magic Carpet Ride: The ABC/Dunhill Years 1967-1971 8CD
Sunn O))), Metta, Benevolence CD
Booker T. & the MGs, Stax Singles Vol. 1 CD
Booker T. & the MGs, Stax Singles Vol. 2 CD
Cecil Taylor, Air Above Mountains CD
Cecil Taylor, Fly!Fly!Fly!Fly!Fly! CD
Cecil Taylor, Music From Two Continents CD
Cecil Taylor Quintet, Lifting the Bandstand CD
Cecil Taylor Ensemble, Göttingen 2CD
Cecil Taylor/Bill Dixon/Tony Oxley, Cecil Taylor/Bill Dixon/Tony Oxley CD
Anna Thorvaldsdottir, Enigma CD
Cedar Walton, Eastern Rebellion 1-4 4CD

DIGITAL
Abominable Putridity, Parasitic Metamorphosis Manifestation
Alaridos, Horca
ASC, An Increase in Entropy
Asphyxiate, Altar of Decomposed
Automaton, Dub Terror Exhaust
Automaton, Jihad
Albert Ayler Quintet, Berlin, Paris, Lörrach & Stockholm Revisited
BCUC, Our Truth
BCUC, Emakhosini
BCUC, The Healing
Beastmaker, Body and Soul
Biomorphic Engulfment, Incubation in the Parallel Dimension
Black Flower, Ghost Radio
BLK OPS, The Heroic Dose
Peter Brötzmann, Never Too Late But Always Too Early
Peter Brötzmann/Maleem Mahmoud Gania/Hamid Drake, The Wels Concert
Big Bad Brötzmann Trio, Biturbo!, Cap’n
Big Bad Brötzmann Trio/John Edwards & John Eckhardt, Hot Ass/Beauty Legs
Big Bad Brötzmann Quintet, Bambule!
Big Bad Brötzmann Quintet, Karacho!
The Bug, Fire
Cadaveric Fumes, Dimensions Obscure
Can, Live In Brighton 1975
Carbon Based Lifeforms, Stochastic
Ian Carr Double Quintet, Solar Session
George Coleman, Amsterdam After Dark
Isaiah Collier & The Chosen Few, Cosmic Transitions
Diskord, Degenerations
Dispersed, Where Silence Reigns
Distant, Dusk of Anguish
Distant, Aeons of Oblivion
D-Town Brass, Ur
D-Town Brass, Demiurge
Ekulu, Unscrew My Head
Ena, Divided: Mind
Ena, Divided: Body
Ena, Divided
Ena, Divided 9 & 10
Ena, Binaural
Ena, Binaural (Part 2)
Flesh Hoarder, Relic of Putrescent Filth
Fruko y sus Tesos, Tesura
Fruko y sus Tesos, A la Memoria del Muerto
G36, Floor Weapons Vol. 1
Galvanizer, Prying Sight of Imperception
Galvanizer, Sanguine Vigil
The Gathering, Leimert Park
Lafayette Gilchrist, Towards the Shining Path
Lafayette Gilchrist, New Urban World Blues
Lafayette Gilchrist, The GoGo Suite: Live at the Windup Space
Lafayette Gilchrist, Deep Dancing Suite
Green River, Come On Down
Green River, Dry as a Bone: Deluxe Edition
Green River, Rehab Doll: Deluxe Edition
Muriel Grossmann, Union
Innov Gnawa, Innov Gnawa
Innov Gnawa, Lila
Innov Gnawa, Aicha
Intestinal Pestilence, Rotten Cadaver Forsaken
Nicole Johänntgen, Henry III
Kurushimi, Return 2: The Grove
Bill Laswell, Sacred System Dub Chamber 1 – Book of Entrance
Bill Laswell, Sacred System Dub Chamber 2 – Black Channel
Bill Laswell, Sacred System Dub Chamber 3 – The Exegesis
Bill Laswell, Sacred System Dub Chamber 4 – Version 2 Version
Bill Laswell, Sacred System Dub Chamber 5 – Book of Exit
Madam Data, The Gospel of the Devourer
Madam Data, For Agnes Martin – Six Architectures in Light and Water
Kevin Richard Martin, Red Light
Kevin Richard Martin, White Light
Kevin Richard Martin, Melting Point
Koichi Matsukaze Trio Featuring Ryojiro Furusawa, At the Room 427
Charles McPherson, Charles McPherson
Charles McPherson, Siku Ya Bibi
Meshum, Enigmatic Existential Essence
Metharoma, Pipe Dreams (Through the Alley)
Kohsuke Mine, First
Jason Moran, The Sound Will Tell You
Jason Moran/Milford Graves, Graves/Moran Live at Big Ears
Nazamba, Vex
Other Dimensions in Music, Other Dimensions in Music
Other Dimensions in Music, Live at the Sunset
Other Dimensions in Music, Now!
Other Dimensions in Music, Time is of the Essence is Beyond Time
Other Dimensions in Music, Kaiso Stories
William Parker/In Order To Survive, The Peach Orchard
John Patton, Soul Connection
Pyrexia, Gravitas Maximus
Relapso, Fierce
Relapso, Hinin
Replicant, Malignant Reality
Replicant, Worthless Desires
Replicant, Negative Life
Replicant, Hypochondria of the Machine
Replicant, Welcome to New Jersey
Replicant, Unbeing
Michi Sarmiento, Aqui Los Bravos! The Best Of Michi Sarmiento y su Combo Bravo 1966-67
Scorn, The Only Place
Ayanda Sikade, Movements
Nala Sinephro, Live at Real World Studios
Slant, 1
Slant, Vain Attempt EP
Nate Smith, Kinfolk: Postcards From Everywhere
Spirits Rejoice, African Spaces
Luke Stewart & Jarvis Earnshaw Quartet, Luke Stewart & Jarvis Earnshaw Quartet
Sunn O))), НЕЖИТЬ: живьём в России
Tong Tong, Tong Tong Greatest Hits
Trouble, The Skull
Trouble, Psalm 9
Trouble, Trouble
Trouble, Manic Frustration
Herbie Tsoaeli, At This Point in Time: Voices in Volumes
Lenny White, Big City
Lenny White, Venusian Summer
Wildflower, Better Times
Various Artists, Axaminer Sampler Vol. 5
Various Artists, Axaminer Sampler Vol. 6
Various Artists, Axaminer Sampler Vol. 7
Various Artists, Axaminer Sampler Vol. 8
Various Artists, Bangs & Works Vol.1 (A Chicago Footwork Compilation)
Various Artists, Bangs & Works Vol.1 (The Best of Chicago Footwork)
Various Artists, Cartagena! Curro Fuentes & The Big Band Cumbia and Descarga Sound Of Colombia 1962-72
Various Artists, Colombia! the Golden Age of Discos Fuentes. the Powerhouse of Colombian Music 1960-76
Various Artists, Perihelion 2209
Various Artists, Total 21
Various Artists, Vision One: Vision Festival 1997 Compiled

i buy 25-30 albums a year on bandcamp btw, but expecting me to buy every album i hear is obviously ridiculous, as is expecting me to listen to less music

can a mod get that unperson post pls

no, it's definitely our fault that spotify gave $100 million to a covid denying racist idiot.

Lol, ILX, the place where even Spotify can be turned into a “I was into it before it was cool” assertion.

I’m going to leave this thread now but from my perspective any argument for remaining with Spotify is extremely weak and self-serving and if you really rely on the convenience of playlists that heavily to hear music maybe it’s time for your brain to expand into other means of discovery anyway.

Thoughts about buying physical media, or cds at least, in 2022.

cd players are still less portable than ipods (lol) and, now, smartphones. But smartphones are limited in how much music you can store, and streaming eliminates that quandary.

Also, have you shopped for a car manufactured in the last 6-8 years? They don't build them with cd players anymore. So it's back to the phone problem above.

Streaming is not bad technology. It's GREAT technology. It's just run by jerkoffs.

it isn't an 'i was into it before it was cool' assertion, it is an 'i do not know what i would do without it' assertion

spotify has been key to helping me find tons of things to buy on bandcamp over the past year. I wouldn't have been able to find them directly on bandcamp, and in fact, even when I know exactly what I want to buy, it is still difficult to find a large portion of the items I want on bandcamp without doing a lot of creative searching

hi people who can’t quit spotify, remember when there was no streaming and you still loved and enjoyed music? all of maybe 5 years ago?

oh yeah, does rapidshare still work?

Arcade Fire guy does a good job a tying together Rogan frustrations with general Spotify frustrations

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/neil-young-spotify-joe-rogan-musicians/621503/?utm_source=feed

Lost me at "It’s certainly how I listen to music"

oh yeah, does rapidshare still work?

Before streaming I was just doing my music exploration by downloading a lot of music through file sharing networks, ever since the days of Napster in the late 90s, so close to 25 years ago now. Streaming has just made all of this more convenient. Never in my adult life did I buy more than 5% of the albums that I listened to (that 5% still adds up to a lot though). There's no going back really.

not a big fan of some of the sanctimony about this, because it continues to vilify the consumer at the expense of the company ("lol of COURSE *they're* terrible - they're a horrible start up! what's YOUR excuse!").

as I mentioned upthread, before the mass exodus started, Rogan had already done many of these things, and many of the people who are loudly (not necessarily ITT mind you) making the move and scolding those that won't are people who were well aware of how horrible Rogan was and ranting about him daily. these weren't people who were aloof until the Neil Young incident opened their eyes, these were people who already knew but didn't take action until after Neil Young. Which, fine....I'm not judging you for waiting, but the finger-pointing is really fucking lame.

like I fully support everybody ITT or outside this thread who is deciding to leave Spotify. I support boycotts of all kinds, and participate in them (ie Chick-Fil-A, who I haven't eaten at in like a decade). but if we're going to do "capitalist purity olympics", we can start another thread for that and decide who is the least problematic spender of all of us (I'll save you the trouble - it's not me).

and in that thread we can examine your discography too to make sure the politics of all musicians closely align with what is acceptable.

oh shit the triple reverse sanctimony dunk

but if we're going to do "capitalist purity olympics", we can start another thread for that and decide who is the least problematic spender of all of us (I'll save you the trouble - it's not me).

I think an "ethical consumption: c/d?" thread could maybe have been interesting at one point but idk

Is it even clear at this point that Spotify dropping Rogan would actually reduce his reach? This article from last year makes it seem like it could have the opposite effect: https://www.theverge.com/22632213/joe-rogan-experience-spotify-exclusive-audience-reach

The fear of getting kicked off/losing money probably also makes him self-censor.

as noted elsewhere I don’t give a shit about Rogan, the fundamental working model of Spotify is to pay nothing for content and charge for listening, and deviate from that just enough to convince people they are getting great value, which works out to no income and free content for artists convinced they need it for exposure. I’m also told by the press, but haven’t properly looked for the evidence, that streaming is the most wasteful way to consume music. If they can platform some covertly racist moron with a large reach for whatever million to drive revenue, that’s entirely compatible with their demonstrated ethics, and Ek says so in his memo. Convenience may have brought you to the service in all innocence, but now you know, staying is a choice.