Post a controversial music opinion

agreed re: ready to die being overrated. stil a solid four mic album.

sorry you find me knowing my place offensive, alfred. it would be the same thing if i went to a metal show. i probably wouldn't much care for it and find myself thinking "this is music for teenage boys so what do i know?"

Austin, isn’t this all just the teen attitude “things I like rule, things I’m not into suck and I’ve got to shit on all of them”

There’s a teen attitude at play here and it’s not Madonna listeners imo

isn’t this all just the teen attitude “things I like rule, things I’m not into suck and I’ve got to shit on all of them"

It seems even dumber than that. It really seems like the reflexive spouting of someone who's never actually thought about any of the things they supposedly believe.

enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?
ageist and sexist imo
gtfo with this please
if you are simply trying to be provocative do it in a more interesting way please

Really curious how you define "musically talented" in a way that excludes Taylor Swift. I am not in any way a fan, but to deny that she's good at making music seems to have no basis in commonly accepted definitions of terms.

I think it's totally possible to have a non-crazy definition of "good at making music" that excludes Taylor Swift fwiw, unless you literally mean that she is objectively able to create and release a lot of music in numerical terms.

I miss the times when controversial music opinions were just “the beatles were better with fake paul”

so because i think madonna is a grifter, whose hustle i respect but whose music i find abysmal, i am:

-an asshole
-immature
-a misognyist (?)
-"even dumber than that"

there's plenty of music i don't actually like but that i will respect as well made. but that's not very interesting discussion, is it?

fwiw: janet jackson is also someone i would consider to be a "good grifter" and i'm a huge fan of her music.

I admit I'm lolling a little at "post a controversial music opinion (unless it's about Madonna, in which case keep that shit to yourself)"

― castanuts (DJP), Monday, January 31, 2022 2:39 PM

everyone have a nice day. listen to "human nature" by madonna. it might even make you smile.

The problem is your command of English combined with your obtuseness and self-pity.

I’m not a stranger to people misinterpreting my words after I kind of slyly use words with negative connotations in a positive way, but if so many people are taking issue with it, prob not a time to double down and construct a framework to justify yr stances imo

no it's because you said it's music for teenage girls in an obviously derisive way
go do something else please and have a nice day as well

the cushion of plausible deniability is not yours to crash on tonight

I don't know about "asshole", but "enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?" is definitely a misogynistic statement and if you can't see why or how, then I can't really help you. I also question your understanding of what the word "grifter" means.

the cushion of plausible deniability is not yours to crash on tonight

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, February 1, 2022 4:58 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otmfm.

oh i think you're overreacting, friend. i like plenty of "music for teenage girls" and the reason i put it in such a way is to illustrate that i haven't lost the plot. it's my fault for not "getting it" because i'm really not the intended target. doesn't mean i can't say, "wow this song is trash" if that's how i feel.

again: the point here is not to upset. i'm just tired of "the canon."

thanks for reading.

you have lost the plot

Austin do you think that your point is what you say it is no matter how other people receive it?

It’s so easy to tell us you hate women without putting everyone through this rigmarole

ah i see everyone is in here steamrolling chumps instead of posting in the tracks rollout

what's the object over the last few days in this thread austin

enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?

really don't see how this is 'obviously derisive'? derisive would be just saying 'I don't like this ergo it sucks', I read 'it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?' as implying that music for teen girls is as valid as music for any other demographic?

Doesn't help that it's a false statement. Swift's appeal is very broad

for starters these artists do not make "music for teenage girls"
secondly, it is obviously derisive if you recognize that singling out the age and gender of the audience results in a dismissal of the music as "a grift"
it's very obviously derisive imo

I read 'it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?' as implying that music for teen girls is as valid as music for any other demographic?

That's very interesting, because no one in the history of written English has ever written "[art form] is for [audience that does not include me]" and meant it in a non-derisive manner. So it's very interesting that you have never before encountered this rhetorical trope, or parsed its not-too-carefully-hidden meaning.

there is OBVIOUSLY no such thing as "music for girls" come the fuck on

"It's music for teenage girls so who cares" is the derisive version of that statement.
Austin has already been convicted of misdeeds so anything he writes is going to be given the most uncharitable interpretation possible.

there's no such thing as music for teenage girls and Austin is acting the bollix for reaction which is why he's being interpreted as if that's what he's doing

what I want to know is why he is doing it

"no one in the history of written English has ever written "[art form] is for [audience that does not include me]" and meant it in a non-derisive manner."

I have

New Kids on the Block was music for teenage girls cmon now

go fuck yourself

I'm sure I have too it doesn't mean such a baldly lazy provocative effort for kicks doesn't deserve well...kicks

if you listen to something and truly think "this music isn't made for me", then probably the next thought you should have is "therefore the world probably doesn't need my opinion on it either"

i shoulda held onto the rap thing until next week. no way to compete here.

hey Granny what's a "girl" iyo?

Moodles otm

if you listen to something and truly think "this music isn't made for me", then probably the next thought you should have is "therefore the world probably doesn't need my opinion on it either"

This is very true! And you could at least ask questions like "Is this music doing what it has set out to do? Is it pleasing to its intended audience? Is it successful on its own terms?" But to claim that people who like music you don't like are being tricked, that somehow you are the only one who sees/hears the real truth...that's some clownshoes bullshit.

Hey Rob who fucking cares

clownshoes bullshit otm
this is embarrassing
we can do better

if you listen to something and truly think "this music isn't made for me", then probably the next thought you should have is "therefore the world probably doesn't need my opinion on it either"

well yeah, but I kind of thought this was the subtext of Austin's comment, anyway.

see, that thought should come first before posting a lot of bullshit

imo it’s pretty clear this is less about opinions, controversial or otherwise, and just about conversational engagement

It’s good to know that you can dismiss the work of female artists as being trivial, for children, even (female children ofc, the male ones are busy shitting up ilm) and refuse any interpretation of this as misogynistic. Huh.

It's puzzling to me that as respected and experienced a critic as Greil Marcus uses the "grifter"/sham formulation when talking about music he doesn't like.

New Kids on the Block was music for teenage girls cmon now

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, February 1, 2022 12:24 PM (fourteen minutes ago)

Alright, I was getting heated and posting incoherently. For me there's a difference between "music for teenage girls" and music marketers targeting a specific age+gender demographic, which is why NKOTB was hugely popular at my elementary school (i.e., not teenagers and no gender specificity). I fundamentally disagree with the idea that you can make music "for" a gender, meaning that people of other genders cannot understand it or enjoy it or etc. Obviously music labels can market it that way or the music press can build a narrative that it's for that demo, but I perceived Austin as saying there's something inherently feminine and juvenile about Swift's music, which I find to be bullshit.

xp

it boils down to this narcissistic perception that my opinion is the only correct one, therefore anyone who disagrees was somehow scammed into false consciousness

in other words, people couldn't possibly just like a thing, they had to be tricked

there's also a long history of the gendered dismissal among boys who like music. and the much longer history of femininity itself being an insult. you can't just say 'but i'm immune to all that' lol. the universe isn't an etch-a-sketch that gets erased for you. dudes who do this always cry 'aint i a person' after they're called out on using the derogatory language that they don't ever have to be affected by. this is pretty basic. ll otm, people can and need to do better.

xps I'm not really that familiar with Swift, but I thought that teenage girls + women who were teenage girls when they became TS stans were kind of the core of her fanbase? (along with music journalists, maybe?) and that she made her name with songs about being an adolescent girl, this idea of a young woman not far beyond girlhood speaking to other girls/young women was a key part of her art? (which is not to say that people outside that demo can't appreciate it or connect with it or whatever) so I guess you could paraphrase that as there being 'something inherently feminine and juvenile' in TS's music, but that's not necessarily a bad thing/makes it less worthy.

isn't pretty much all pop music (broadly defined, including rock and metal etc) is basically 'music for/of adolescents' anyway?

She's 32 years old.

damn all the goalposts just moved to the next city over xp

The Biggie opinion is pretty wild to me, does his voice seem dull on “Gimme the Loot”? That’s a good controversial opinion!