Post a controversial music opinion

one final thought: i think it's cool that madonna liked to mock organized religion. grifters taking on the even bigger grifters is always a good show to watch.

and again: i'm sorry if my communication style is offputting. it's not intended that way whatsoever. i'm a very smart alec-y, smarmy person in general, but i post with a natural smile on my face 95% of the time. this is a discussion forum and you guys are genuinely a billion times more intelligent than i'll ever be. i really do enjoy reading ever word. thank you for indulging me.

(unless you're saying i'm an asshole for my music preferences. that's kinda lame, but i like john klemmer so maybe i deserve it.)

blowin' gold is cool

would you say that Madonna is an abuser for gaslighting us into liking her songs?

Justify your love!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J1MRs_uUTs

so here's the wrap-up thought after rereading and how i shall leave it for now—

if there's such a thing as a "good tyrant" then surely there can be such a thing as a "good grifter." obviously not a compliment from my perspective, but hey, ymmv. i will say this: i applaud her, just in general terms, of her acceptance of lgbtq+ people. never have liked her music and probably never will; certainly don't abjure or judge anyone who does (in the end, you all love music, i'm told).

who are Good Tyrants --- Frederick the Great or something?

Grace Jones has an okay voice, but the presence of a deity.

She doesn't sing -- she intones.

There’s some kind of amazing story that August Kleinzahler tells of walking around with Allen Ginsberg and crossing paths with Grace Jones.

who are Good Tyrants --- Frederick the Great or something?

According to rumor, Voltaire took advantage of Fred's flute nyuk nyuk

I admit I'm lolling a little at "post a controversial music opinion (unless it's about Madonna, in which case keep that shit to yourself)"

Madonna is a bad singer a great pop star a great icon and has great songs in her toolkit I mean I'm not even a big fan but this is nonsense

My controversial music opinion these days is "white people shouldn't make country music"

* except Dolly Parton

*white Americans

white people shouldn't make country music

once upon a time, country was "I Walk the Line"

Now it's "I Like the Reich"

but i do like the reich....................... steve reich that is haha

*white Americans

I said what I said

Once upon a time we had Johnny Cash and Bob Hope…


now they’re dead. RIP

XP I'd counter by questioning your knowledge of eg Irish country music but let me be real

I would not be helping any argument id be trying to make by relying on Irish country music

Kathy Mattea, your time is up

18 Wheels and a Dozen GTFOs

ye was always on me mind

Taylor Swift's music is awful

agreed. is taylor also a "good grifter"?

when you think about it talent is sort of the ultimate grift

I really don't get this grift angle. Different people like different things, it's not a scam. If you pay money for a Taylor Swift song, you get that song either way, good or bad.

"i'm fine with being duped"

― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Monday, January 31, 2022 6:58 AM

and that's okay. but don't get mad at me for saying something like: yeah, people like ts and madonna are talented, but not musically talented (or: their strongpoints lie outside of making music).

there's nothing wrong with saying that, but I wouldn't call it a grift.

Really curious how you define "musically talented" in a way that excludes Taylor Swift. I am not in any way a fan, but to deny that she's good at making music seems to have no basis in commonly accepted definitions of terms.

people like ts and madonna are talented, but not musically talented

This is, without question, one of the top 5 dumbest things I've ever read on this site.

And that even takes into account the bizarre insistence that Madonna and Taylor Swift are somehow "grifters".

enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?

glad i've made such a memorable impression on you, jon. here's to many more!

also, for levity and balance: i think brandy's first album is better than anything madonna or ts have ever done or will ever do.

Why not sprinkle some misogyny on top of that hole you've already dug?

i fell for the grift as soon as i heard "best friend."

I mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?

You've posted a lot of twaddle in the last 24 hours, but this is the first offensive thing you've posted. You might as well have said they're girls, so what do they know about serious music.

With the caveat that I'm only a part-time rap listener who goes through a hip-hop phase every few years at most, my controp is thus:

One thing that always baffles me is the popularity of Notorious B.I.G. and Ready to Die in particular. His voice is dull - like, so flat that his words barely make it into my ear. I don't understand why Ready to Die is so often ranked as the greatest rap album of all time or even of 1994 - I'd rather listen to the debuts from Beatnuts, Keith Murray, or Nas.

Stereotypes of an ILM poster misunderstood

i'm sorry, what hole exactly?

and misogyny??? from where? nothing about my dislike of any of these folks has anything to do with gender.

(okay, maybe so in the case of rolling stones and the like. that sort of toxic masculinity is way worse than anything madonna ever did.)

enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?
enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?
enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?
enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?
enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?
enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?

How does that have nothing to do with gender?

agreed re: ready to die being overrated. stil a solid four mic album.

sorry you find me knowing my place offensive, alfred. it would be the same thing if i went to a metal show. i probably wouldn't much care for it and find myself thinking "this is music for teenage boys so what do i know?"

Austin, isn’t this all just the teen attitude “things I like rule, things I’m not into suck and I’ve got to shit on all of them”

There’s a teen attitude at play here and it’s not Madonna listeners imo

isn’t this all just the teen attitude “things I like rule, things I’m not into suck and I’ve got to shit on all of them"

It seems even dumber than that. It really seems like the reflexive spouting of someone who's never actually thought about any of the things they supposedly believe.

enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?
ageist and sexist imo
gtfo with this please
if you are simply trying to be provocative do it in a more interesting way please

Really curious how you define "musically talented" in a way that excludes Taylor Swift. I am not in any way a fan, but to deny that she's good at making music seems to have no basis in commonly accepted definitions of terms.

I think it's totally possible to have a non-crazy definition of "good at making music" that excludes Taylor Swift fwiw, unless you literally mean that she is objectively able to create and release a lot of music in numerical terms.