Post a controversial music opinion

and I'd argue "Live to Tell" boasts a great vocal performance, in part b/c she figured out her lower register projects a natural warmth and empathy.

I'm begging you all to stop saying grift ffs

now I know what it means!

I started liking Bowie a lot more when he learned to sing in the early 90s (and Madonna a lot less when she did the same)

Anyway, few things are more tiresome than dudes -- always dudes -- whose posture consists of playing the part of the man who can't be fooled, can't be bought, and who can't reminding the mugs and the suckers and the shmucks around him.

austin you seem like a sweet person which is why i'm going to tell you that a lot of times you get weirdly personally angry and hostile about odd topics and it's weird and the anger/hostility puts people off and seems to make you more frustrated and/or isolated.

*can't stop reminding

xpost

This controversial opinion and the discussion it provoked is very, very interesting.

now I know what it means!

― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, January 31, 2022 12:19 PM (three minutes ago)

lol fair enough, I just seethe at the idea that people enjoying a piece of music can constitute being conned—who is being *exploited* here?

This whole convo also rests on some ideal version of "good" singing that I think is pretty wack

I'm begging you all to stop saying grift ffs

otm

rob otm

Music is probably one of the least grifty economic activities I can think of. This is a person who sells noises. When I want her noises I give her money. If I didn't want her noises, I wouldn't have given her any money. Very simple.

She also sold the experience of being in a room where she was performing. I didn't really see a whole lot of value in that experience, so I withheld my money and she just went ahead and performed anyway. Very simple. Not sure I see any problems here. There's no deception, no fraud in any of this. Pretty straightforward transactions.

"You deserve an award for the role that you play."

and I'd argue "Live to Tell" boasts a great vocal performance, in part b/c she figured out her lower register projects a natural warmth and empathy.

― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, January 31, 2022 11:17 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah Austin are you like Benjamin Buttoning with music opinions lately? I feel like you've hit 15

lol oops wrong C&P sorry alfred

xp Oh come on

Austin's controversial opinions and subsequent hostility are terrific

I hate the perennial post that goes like

You seem nice so I'll be honest
And I'm gonna speak for everyone here and say
In the most constructive way possible
That you suck at posting

What's wrong with "grift" though? I use the phrase "hipster grifter" fairly often with frequency and accuracy

i mean i think the kernel of truth here is that it takes a whole lot of social construction to make noises mean something and that pop stars are good at using every tool they have to make that meaning as compelling as possible for as many people as they can.

Alfred otm & it’s not an uncommon thing, grift is having its use-other-words-please moment but I decided ages ago that someone calling a piece of art fraudulent or its maker a fraud is useless most of the time & bespeaks a sadly defensive attitude, like everyone is so terrified of being taken in

You seem nice so I'll be honest
And I'm gonna speak for everyone here and say
In the most constructive way possible
That you suck at posting

William Carlos Williams?

most of my favorite singers are objectively bad, I like being conned.

map otm!!!! and lol Alfred

what kind of con is it when a "good" singer makes terrible music?

this is just to say
i have admired the suits
that were custom-made in London
please forgive me

ray of light = a holy grift

another music opinion that isn't really controversial at all but i don't love-love william orbit, tho 'ray of light' is good.

thx for the psychoanalysis, but there is very little anger in my posts. confidence ≠ anger.

sorry if my fucking shitty language makes it sound like i'm angry. that's just the goddamn way i talk, consarnit.

okay, that was too far. i apologize for resorting to nineteenth century profanity. completely out of line.

alfred, if the world is truly at its end at least we can both close our eyes one last time with the knowledge that we were happy doing the things that we did. next round's on me.

you guys are fun.

william orbit is both dated but still Largely Good imo, he will continue to be mined for influence

one final thought: i think it's cool that madonna liked to mock organized religion. grifters taking on the even bigger grifters is always a good show to watch.

and again: i'm sorry if my communication style is offputting. it's not intended that way whatsoever. i'm a very smart alec-y, smarmy person in general, but i post with a natural smile on my face 95% of the time. this is a discussion forum and you guys are genuinely a billion times more intelligent than i'll ever be. i really do enjoy reading ever word. thank you for indulging me.

(unless you're saying i'm an asshole for my music preferences. that's kinda lame, but i like john klemmer so maybe i deserve it.)

blowin' gold is cool

would you say that Madonna is an abuser for gaslighting us into liking her songs?

Justify your love!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J1MRs_uUTs

so here's the wrap-up thought after rereading and how i shall leave it for now—

if there's such a thing as a "good tyrant" then surely there can be such a thing as a "good grifter." obviously not a compliment from my perspective, but hey, ymmv. i will say this: i applaud her, just in general terms, of her acceptance of lgbtq+ people. never have liked her music and probably never will; certainly don't abjure or judge anyone who does (in the end, you all love music, i'm told).

who are Good Tyrants --- Frederick the Great or something?

Grace Jones has an okay voice, but the presence of a deity.

She doesn't sing -- she intones.

There’s some kind of amazing story that August Kleinzahler tells of walking around with Allen Ginsberg and crossing paths with Grace Jones.

who are Good Tyrants --- Frederick the Great or something?

According to rumor, Voltaire took advantage of Fred's flute nyuk nyuk

I admit I'm lolling a little at "post a controversial music opinion (unless it's about Madonna, in which case keep that shit to yourself)"

Madonna is a bad singer a great pop star a great icon and has great songs in her toolkit I mean I'm not even a big fan but this is nonsense

My controversial music opinion these days is "white people shouldn't make country music"

* except Dolly Parton

*white Americans

white people shouldn't make country music

once upon a time, country was "I Walk the Line"

Now it's "I Like the Reich"

but i do like the reich....................... steve reich that is haha

*white Americans

I said what I said

Once upon a time we had Johnny Cash and Bob Hope…


now they’re dead. RIP

XP I'd counter by questioning your knowledge of eg Irish country music but let me be real

I would not be helping any argument id be trying to make by relying on Irish country music

Kathy Mattea, your time is up