Spotify - anyone heard of it?

Finally remembered to cancel Spotify Premium, they really set a record for "r u sure u want to cancel?!?!" screens. It was quicker to cancel a porn subscription in 2001 than Spotify.

quoth papal hotwife

BREAKING - Spotify is no longer letting people cancel subscriptions.

— Tristan Snell (@TristanSnell) January 28, 2022

I have instructed my management to do what we can to remove my music from @Spotify. @UMG controls The Commotions & my 90's catalogue. Here's hoping they want to be on the right side of this moment.

— Lloyd Cole (@Lloyd_Cole) January 28, 2022

I'd like to see more creativity here.

"Disable my 100 most played songs"

I would imagine most musicians have zero control over whether their music appears on Spotify.

Lloyd Cole - still always on the right side of history!

I like that he says “this moment” not “history”. Give historians a chance!

Joni's out

Forks, start a new thread for the current Spotify fallout

only if you vote in the television poll

Joe Bob is not on the noms list!

as has been mentioned, you can add non-nominated shows to your ballot

Armando Iannucci's ilx film

I don't think I can quit, DW is too good. Never listened to much PJ Harvey and today it played me "We Float", christ.

Tidal's discover daily has not been very useful so far (all stuff I've been listening to forever) but it doesn't have much to go on as far as my listening.

Having moved over to Apple Music, Discover Weekly is the one thing I miss; is there any remotely equivalent feature on AM? How much would Apple have to pay Glenn to bring him on and how soon can we make this happen?

Apple has a New Release Radar equivalent (but crappier), no Discover Weekly AFAIK.

Spotify Sources Say Joe Rogan’s Deal Was Spotify Sources Say Joe Rogan’s Deal Was $200 Million, Double What Was Originally Reported00 Million, Double What Was Originally Reported

how in the world is $200M a good value for even a popular non-shitty podcast, let alone this dumpster fire?

Don't be rash, this is over three years.

Even if I didn't spurn podcasts on spotify, the artwork for his piece of shit thing is viscerally unappealing

Is there a streaming service that treats albums the way iTunes (or any other similar software) does? As in, I can have folders and sub-folders and sub-sub-folders etc. of albums, or a system of playlists where I can file albums (say, "Black Metal From 1993 I Need to Listen to" or "New shit recommended on ILX" etc.) and they'll be displayed as albums with a "listen" button, and NOT as a long-ass and useless list of tracks?

You can add folders of playlists in Spotify. However, on 3rd party devices these often show up as one big playlist.

You can make folders on mobile? I've only managed to do it on desktop but I never use the desktop version.

Desktop only afaik

Dunno if Glenn still has the job he had last time I read this thread, but some disaggregation here looks necessary:
https://open.spotify.com/track/6AXmTRvKJQueNxI9YZAHgV?si=cCn4zJR1QvGqgFoRLv1EOA

(don’t play it, it’s some half assed piano piece, not Low - feels decidedly dodgy)

It hasn't ever been my job to fix these, but I've reported it to the team that does so...

Why don’t your bosses make it easier to report these?

that came off really dickish

Oh, if I'm the one you're saying came off as dickish, I apologize! I should have replied less tersely. I share your enthusiasm for fixing these, and sometimes do it myself because I have the power, even though it isn't actually my job. We do have a team whose job it *is* to fix them, and I reported this. I won't fix it myself because I'm not sure whether it will be moved or taken down. There used to be a menu option for reporting errors in the desktop app, but it wasn't included in the recent rearchitecture for reasons I'm not sure of.

Glenn, I did not find your reply dickish - I was talking to Boring, Maryland. Sorry for the confusion, I hope it didn't cause you any bad feelings. You've been great on this whole thread and your site is awesome - I'm a big fan!

As for the comment I was replying to; maybe I'm sensitive, but I get a little riled when someone refers to my "bosses" - especially when expressing frustration/ranting whatever. Just feel like people could be nicer to Glenn here. He doesn't owe anything to anybody here.

Oh, FWIW I didn't take any offense at that. It should be easier to report problems. Probably. Problem-reporting also gets abused, sadly. I read "your bosses" as "your company's priority-setters", not "your personal puppet-masters".

Also, I've been here a lot longer than I've been at Spotify, so I know what to expect. But thanks!

There used to be a form on the Spotify website to report incorrect track names etc. I reported several such errors. None of them ever got fixed.

Same.

Worth noting that track-name errors come from, and have to be fixed by, the original distributor, while artist-ambiguity/grouping errors can be fixed directly by us at Spotify...

glenn any reason why the music industry doesn’t just standardise on MusicBrainz? it something similar? wouldn’t unique IDs be good??

I definitely can't answer on behalf of the industry. A central authoritative source of definitive IDs seems like an abstract good, but doesn't actually solve a lot of the practical problems. I mean, we have unique Spotify IDs already, so if that were all it took, all industry artist-ambiguity problems would be outside of Spotify. Hold on, I'm just enjoying that idea for a moment. OK, I'm back.

It’s an incredibly hard problem, because there isn’t really an objective source of truth - even for something as simple as “artist name” you get down to what was printed on a given sleeve, and those have sometimes differed even for the same work.

It’s also hard to model flexibly enough to cope with what artists will come up with next. Like most naive models would have a 1:1 mapping between performer and title, but to fully specify it out you need an performer-name-track-title-releasedate relationship because the name a given performer gets given has varied by all those things over time (and more).

But a modelling that flexible is waaaay over-engineered for most purposes so services have much simpler models and that involves making trade-offs to fit the real world into their models; and they often do them in ways that are incompatible with one another.

Hence the misery of trying to standardise. For a long time the BBC had an entire internal fork of MusicBrainz to try and deal with the mismatches between their playout systems and MB; I’m not sure that’s still maintained though.

There needs to be a UN agency.

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Grapefruit Records picked the last couple of weeks to start advertising a Spotify playlist.
Does that just mean political apathy.

& did anybody take to boycotting Neil young cos he loudly flounced off Spotify and advertised a move to Amazon which is hardly the most ethical of companies. Wonder what the end of the pandemic is going to mean re the popularity of that firm. Is it going to gain negativity now its no longer as needed for things to be as easy.

163k outages reported

seems to be down for all

yep

What happened

the Pono was a distributed hacking device all along

russian hackers

Discord too, apparently.

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