You have to think there’s some Darwinian lesson here.
― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 24 January 2022 05:13 (two years ago) link
Is it that hedonism isn’t a viable evolutionary strategy? Cause cats would beg to differ.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 24 January 2022 10:55 (two years ago) link
This is both crazy and also I suppose the logical outcome of what happens when your entire social circle is right wing nuts:
Some *big* red flags in the Stewart Rhodes' detention hearings.1) The defense says Stewart can stay with his cousins Kyla & Ben pending trial.2) Kyla & Ben have two homes on the property. They live in one and her parents live in the other. Rhodes would stay with her parents.— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 18, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 February 2022 21:59 (two years ago) link
He was totally gonna go on the lam.
― peace, man, Saturday, 19 February 2022 00:05 (two years ago) link
That is apparently what the judge determined, he is staying put in jail.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 February 2022 00:15 (two years ago) link
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/d/bremerton-1992-honda-civic-vx-eg/7447716307.html
...takes a while to get there, but hoo boy...
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Saturday, 19 February 2022 17:14 (two years ago) link
Having been born in Bremerton, I am glad this isn't me.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 February 2022 17:18 (two years ago) link
wow.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Saturday, 19 February 2022 17:21 (two years ago) link
"As a man of faith, I am certain to prevail." was where I started laughing out loud.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 19 February 2022 18:17 (two years ago) link
lol that the founder of something called oathkeepers was all set to solemnly promise to abide by the terms of home detention, then skip town
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 19 February 2022 18:30 (two years ago) link
Masochists, sadists and fans of schadenfreude can watch this self-proclaimed sovereign citizen who represented himself get 76 counts of guilty for driving his car into the Waukesha, Wisconsin Christmas parade last year:
Verdict is starting now:https://t.co/2tMufSnKMs— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) October 26, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 18:37 (one year ago) link
MacNab does the math: that's 6 consecutive life sentences plus 859 years in prison.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 18:39 (one year ago) link
JJ MacNab does v good work on this alternate reality.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 19:45 (one year ago) link
So was this guy's defense just "it was an accident"?
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 19:48 (one year ago) link
Or that he has an unlimited right to travel, and he just traveled into the crowd?
― nickn, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 19:59 (one year ago) link
To the extent that I followed it at all, I think he tried to use his sovereign citizen bullshit to blow up the trial. Which of course didn't work.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 20:19 (one year ago) link
Like I saw the judge wasn't letting him bring up jury nullification in his closing arguments, but surely he doesn't think juries want to nullify vehicular homicide laws?
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 20:19 (one year ago) link
(I know saying "surely he doesn't think (x)" about sovereign citizens doesn't really apply)
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 20:21 (one year ago) link
Laws aren't necessary, society will adapt. People will organically stop gathering where cars run people over
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 20:31 (one year ago) link
we shall abandon all laws, and new directives shall be revealed by the free market of natural behavior, desire lines leading us to a new free land
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 20:53 (one year ago) link
I think a lot of these sovereign citizen sorts are so caught up in their insular pseudo-legal sophistry that they end up like Al Pacino in "Scene of a Woman." "Out of order?? I'll show YOU 'out of order!'
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 21:06 (one year ago) link
(Scene of a Woman was the seldom staged theatrical production.)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 21:07 (one year ago) link
My client, the Honorable Darrell Brooks, should go right to fuckin' jail.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 21:12 (one year ago) link
maybe he can start a sovereign bro's club in prison
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link
two great flavours altogether at last, sovcits and german princelings:
THREAD I see that many of those who don't live in Germany, are not aware of the "Reichsbürger" (Imperial Citizens) far-right movement, as its members were arrested today for the alleged preparation of a coup. Let me start this thread on the details of this conspiracy theory 1/x— Sergej Sumlenny (@sumlenny) December 7, 2022
― mark s, Thursday, 8 December 2022 10:30 (one year ago) link
^^^this guy doesn't seem to now abt sovcits, and in tweet 6 says "my bold guess is that this conspiracy theory is VERY German in the way how legalistic it is"
the involvement the ancient family of rotating henries is very german yes, the legalism seems increasingly universal 😖
― mark s, Thursday, 8 December 2022 10:39 (one year ago) link
i sometimes wonder what happened to that nurse that was "sued" by those people, the ones that claimed the pope owned all the hospitals
― koogs, Thursday, 8 December 2022 14:25 (one year ago) link
I hope she sent them a bunch of Monopoly money.
― put a VONC on it (suzy), Thursday, 8 December 2022 15:09 (one year ago) link
German feds when the new crop of bundeswehr special forces guys only want to restore the 2nd Reich and not the 3rd pic.twitter.com/FKV0zTW5l5— ред ґрин альянс 🇺🇦🇨🇳 (@ItsBCJim) December 7, 2022
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 8 December 2022 19:32 (one year ago) link
Look at that face.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/mobile-twitter-com-tomlandon-autor-791956547.jpg?w=620
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-brit-conspiracy-theorist-54-29079964
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 30 January 2023 12:12 (one year ago) link
fringed flag and throbbing vein!
(tbh he looks like china mieville who is many things but surely not a sovcit)
― mark s, Monday, 30 January 2023 12:15 (one year ago) link
Austria again...
(thought it was Mieville too at first glance, wondered what he'd done now!)
― a mix between aphex twin and nirvana with the swagger of count basie (Matt #2), Monday, 30 January 2023 12:17 (one year ago) link
Not in the Mirror article:
According to media reports he has also written a musical about the Austrian rock star Falco – known for his 1985 hit Rock Me Amadeus – who died in a car crash in the Dominican Republic in 1998. Mr Landon, who was living on the island at the time, claims to have found the body and that there was a cover-up about the true cause of death.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 30 January 2023 12:52 (one year ago) link
i blame salieri
― mark s, Monday, 30 January 2023 12:57 (one year ago) link
BOOMING POST
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:20 (one year ago) link
I thought "Has Howie Mandel gone off the deep end?"
― nickn, Monday, 30 January 2023 18:16 (one year ago) link
i know this (ilx) thread is just running on the spot but this (twitter) thread is full of meatily deranged stuff:
2. Derek believes the govt & statutes are illegitimate. He believes individuals have 2 personas, one of flesh & blood (the “live human”) & the other a separate fictitious identity. In his classes, he teaches ppl how to become “live humans” & escape their legal liabilities pic.twitter.com/6AjoGgs3yb— Vaxatious Litigant 💉 (@ExposingNV) February 12, 2023
― mark s, Sunday, 12 February 2023 11:38 (one year ago) link
does the proponent believe any of his legal claims or is he simply a conman?
https://img.memegenerator.net/instances/59376719.jpg
― mark s, Sunday, 12 February 2023 11:40 (one year ago) link
lol this sent me straight down the "here's what the por que no los dos girl looks like today" rabbithole
― mark s, Sunday, 12 February 2023 11:45 (one year ago) link
first you con yourself, then the marks come flocking
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 February 2023 12:30 (one year ago) link
kinda wondering when "have literally never won a case anywhere in the world based on this shit" starts to turn around, and where?
for now, even the absolute worst in the conservative legal movement in the US (which is hugely lawyered up and has placed judges in the system all the way up to SCOTUS) will surely be extremely and indeed lethally hostile, so it's not going to get political or institutional traction
(at least on the right lol: there's a kind of reactionary anarchist sea-lawyer energy here which you do encounter on the morbid-symptom pseudo-left also, but of course they also don't really have significant traction either yet) (the bigwig tycoons who fund some of the "transcends left and right" bogus chaotic mud-stirring are generally p careful to keep the best actual-real lawyers on-board) (elon tho… )
(this particular guy is australian) (they also pop up in UK courts)
― mark s, Sunday, 12 February 2023 12:54 (one year ago) link
and also those germans who tried some doomed stunt last year (reichsburgers)
similar notions on the move in belgium, france, italy, russia
― mark s, Sunday, 12 February 2023 12:57 (one year ago) link
lol of course: "elon musk's new terms of service for the starlink app have shades of 'sovereign citizen' about life on mars"
― mark s, Sunday, 12 February 2023 13:00 (one year ago) link
there is zero comprehension of jurisprudence or the de facto workings of legal systems in these fantasies, so any possible win a freeman might achieve would be coincidence and dumb luck, likely due to getting the right cranky low-level judge on the right day
which leads me to the conclusion that for the grifters making money or clout from selling this stuff, winning is not the point. not internally the point either, it would be terrible for reality to intrude in their metaphysical forts of solitude
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 February 2023 13:03 (one year ago) link
the lack of significant cost or enforcement of repercussion of cost means that these are free hits so that "dumb luck" more becomes a case of "will win one eventually and then what"
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 February 2023 13:06 (one year ago) link
i am mainly hedging my bets a tiny bit bcz i don't feel "the institutions are strong and will repel this bullshit" is a stance i can these days take without some reservation!
― mark s, Sunday, 12 February 2023 13:07 (one year ago) link
as i say, you could maybe land a one-off win in your fight against wearing a seatbelt/having a TV licence/harrassing GP receptionists but the institutions are at least strong enough to slap that down on a replay
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 February 2023 13:10 (one year ago) link
darragh's point is solid tho, it places the specific freeman bug as just one option in the toolbox of people who enjoy dicking around during their day in court
i'm not particularly critical of dicking around during your day in court, mind
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 February 2023 13:18 (one year ago) link
if you get caught fare-dodging on a train and just keep insisting that your name is Uther Pendragon until you get arrested by the transport police and your barmy shtick gets completely demolished by the man. That's how dangerous these fools seem to me. Not that there is anything wrong with fare-dodging either.
― calzino, Sunday, 12 February 2023 13:29 (one year ago) link
i guess what i'm speculating about -- more in the context of US politics than UK politics, i don't know about the workings of german or french ditto -- is the point at which "just one option in the toolbox of people who enjoy dicking around during their day in court" crosses over from beleaguered low-information numpties who think they've been given one weird trick to game the system and dodge their fine or (since the situations are sometimes somewhat more pointed) not get their house taken away, and arrives in the hands and mindsets and just-asking-questions projects of lawyers looking for ever-new ways to game and rewire the established electoral system
such activist lawyers do already exist in substantial numbers: but for now they mostly merely disdain the numpties and the sovcit project: it wd be more chaotic than helpful! and while there *are* always individual lawyers who function as chaos-goblins, they are one-offs, while the federalist society for example is highly disiplined tactical and strategic as an activist movement
i think i agree that the crossover is some way away, but
― mark s, Sunday, 12 February 2023 14:23 (one year ago) link