Morrissey is a racist

Me too.

fuck Morrissey with a pitchfork

josh proposes an interesting thought tho: what will be the collective response when he does die?

i know i'll be sad. but mostly because of what he became, so not really that different from now.

i still do like his old records. especially the stuff with vini reilly.

He was always like this, though. See: Panic

enh yeah i guess, but at least he's owning on it that record: "the music they play says nothing to me about my life."

(also one of the worst smiths songs, btw)

but mostly because of what he became, so not really that different from now.

i still do like his old records. especially the stuff with vini reilly.

"Bengali in Platforms" is on his first record with Reilly. It's not a question of becoming. (I still like the Smiths btw!)

yeah that's the thing. 'reggae is vile,' panic, bengali...it was always right there.

he's always been problematic and a shitty person. to deny that he became more so with age is purposely dense.

also adding the smiths to my list of "canon bands that are actually super boring and overrated and only have like two good songs"

(tried to revisit strangeways this past week after it came up in the controp thread and jesus christ it's boring)

Austin, have you read the 1986 Melody Maker interviewed linked here as "Morrissey discusses the black pop conspiracy and celibacy"?: https://mrmorrissey.tripod.com/interv/index.html

*interview

Big mouth strikes again.

It's like he has no right to take his um

NME 1985
Morrissey discusses his heroes and the sausage incident

Austin, have you read the 1986 Melody Maker interviewed linked here as "Morrissey discusses the black pop conspiracy and celibacy"?: https://mrmorrissey.tripod.com/interv/index.html

― The sensual shock (Sund4r), Sunday, January 23, 2022 8:45 PM

he's always been problematic and a shitty person. to deny that he became more so with age is purposely dense.

stop. i agree with you guys. leave me alone.

Who are you calling "purposely dense", because it looks like that's directed towards the people who noticed Morrissey's racism before you did

damn that interview is terrible, i've seen those quote on their own before here and there but not the actual piece. people usually say "well they were taken out of context" but in this case i think they are even worse in context

"Well, he likes a great Martha and the Vandellas song" is all the praise I can muster.

My favorite thing about the interview is that the interviewer a couple of times is like "are you sure you don't want to take this less-racist lifeline I'm trying to throw you" and Morrissey is all "NOPE"

I know! like every answer

otm plus "I don't think there's any time anymore to be subtle about anything"

lol at the idea that the co-author of "There is a Light..." thinks Black pop emphasizes "escapism" or fantasy or whatever

Wish a ten ton truck would crash into him

Most indie-pop purists of that era got over that kind of hardline rejection of chart pop via the dance music of the late 80s or dare I say the Britpop scene a couple of years later. But Morrisey's music taste seems stuck in the same place forever. I walked past a venue where he was playing a couple of years ago and they were actually selling T-Rex and New York Dolls vinyl at the merchandise stall.

as far as I can tell he only likes the things he liked when he was a teenager

I walked past a venue where he was playing a couple of years ago and they were actually selling T-Rex and New York Dolls vinyl at the merchandise stall.

Worse than that...

At Morrissey gigs, on the merch stand, you can buy albums like Aladdin Sane by David Bowie....signed by Morrissey....for $300.
Regardless of what you think of Morrissey, that is just a little bit weird pic.twitter.com/qjCApfodTU

— Bands FC (@_Bands_FC) October 28, 2019

Maybe he got the idea from the Simpsons?

“It is a photo of Sean Connery signed by Roger Moore. It is worth $150.” #RIPSeanConnery pic.twitter.com/C4PjWh4UGi

— On This Day in Simpsons History (@dailysimpsons) October 31, 2020

No way Morrissey watches The Simpsons he'll still be watching betamax copies of Nearest & Dearest and the Jimmy Clitheroe Show.

he watched it enough to make a flouncing denouncement of the episode about him being a racist

flouncy denouncy

Dear @officialmoz . An ‘open letter’ hasn’t really been a thing since 1953, It’s all ‘social media’ now. Even Donald J Trump had that one down. Also, this fake news business…a bit 2021 yeah ?#makingindiegreatagain

— Johnny Marr (@Johnny_Marr) January 26, 2022

Link to what this is about:

https://www.morrisseycentral.com/messagesfrommorrissey/open-letter-to-johnny-marr

The stuff about reggae in that 1986 MM interview up there is unhinged; what the hell had been listening to?

i imagine it's a gloss on garveyism and i doubt it's based on listening at all

Morrissey's 'letter' seems to me the single worst thing he's ever done.

A bit disappointed to see, here, that Marr has replied. It should be beneath him. He's always been better at serenity.

"This is not a rant or an hysterical bombast..."

It is exactly that!

"Listen, I'm not racist but..."

"I have black friends"

If dummy wants to extricate himself from Marr he should stop playing songs by the Smiths.

Anyone know what triggered it?

As most of the commentary I've seen today has been along the lines of "When I interviewed Marr he was very reluctant to discuss Morrissey."

The Guardian:

Marr is promoting a new solo album, Fever Dreams Pts 1-4. His offending remarks appear to come from the March 2022 issue of Uncut magazine, in which he mentions Morrissey in a discussion about collaboration.

Allegedly this was the specific Uncut quote that got under Morrissey's skin:

“It won’t come as any surprise when I say that I’m really close with everyone I’ve worked with – except for the obvious one,” he said. “And that isn’t that much of a surprise because we’re so different, me and Morrissey.”

Which is pretty much what Morrissey himself says?

"He's a racist," added Marr.

One thing particularly struck me in this so out of date clash : It seems pretty impossible that Morrissey NEVER said anything negative about Marr !

his memoir is negative about Marr, specifically in relation to their legal troubles with the other two band members. he speaks very little about Marr in the memoir generally - his legal troubles with the smiths take up more pages than the entire time the smiths were a band

A bit disappointed to see, here, that Marr has replied. It should be beneath him.

this is true but i gotta say if i was in marr's place i would find it damn near impossible not to respond with something, knowing how much it would get even further under his skin. its just too perfect.

I lost track of the other two after they toured with Sinead.