is ginger as a descriptive automatically perogative.just thinking chestnut for brunette doesn't seem to have the same connotation.THough usage doesn't necessarily follow
― Stevolende, Saturday, 22 January 2022 14:35 (two years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_people_with_red_hair
― Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Saturday, 22 January 2022 14:40 (two years ago) link
Our Amber has always identified as ginger since she was born (btw, we had chosen her name before)
She's 23 now
― Mark G, Saturday, 22 January 2022 14:46 (two years ago) link
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/11/25/1385384333335/e4dd6e16-d96f-4ebf-a5c6-78fe01d49592-620x513.jpeg?width=465&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=d33a3b2e63c0803f6d1fbce1642da4be
― The Hon. Christian Sharia (R - MO) (Hunt3r), Saturday, 22 January 2022 14:57 (two years ago) link
USA map shows a lot of red heads in central south appalachia as %, perhaps explaining virginia note above.
― The Hon. Christian Sharia (R - MO) (Hunt3r), Saturday, 22 January 2022 15:03 (two years ago) link
Lot of people of UK/Irish extraction down that way.
― Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Saturday, 22 January 2022 15:06 (two years ago) link
the proper term is hillbillies
― rob, Saturday, 22 January 2022 15:08 (two years ago) link
University Challenge is based on the US TV show College Bowl.
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 22 January 2022 15:38 (two years ago) link
Oh yeah there were two Virginias in my family in the same generation (yes half my family is from Tennessee why do you ask) and iirc neither was a readhead and they were called "Ginger" or "Ginny" as children.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 22 January 2022 19:56 (two years ago) link
So is there a popular US idiom for redhead that has a different derivation. Or is it mainly redhead.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 22 January 2022 23:18 (two years ago) link
"Red" seems a pretty popular nickname in the US!
― Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Saturday, 22 January 2022 23:44 (two years ago) link
True. I had a high school teacher named Red but by that time he was grey/sandy white so I didn't realize for many years that it was a nickname.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Sunday, 23 January 2022 00:07 (two years ago) link
wait'll I tell you about "bluey"
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 23 January 2022 00:18 (two years ago) link
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YWo9Nn_uIfE/hqdefault.jpg
― mookieproof, Sunday, 23 January 2022 00:30 (two years ago) link
The term verso means left hand page in printing, it is the name of a leftist publishing house that has done some really good stuff. I assume that is the derivation.also assume that the word is the contrast to the leading right hand page because of the direction we read in which is called the Recto.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 23 January 2022 11:01 (two years ago) link
So is there a popular US idiom for redhead that has a different derivation. Or is it mainly redhead.― Stevolende, Saturday, January 22, 2022 6:18 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― Stevolende, Saturday, January 22, 2022 6:18 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Carrot top seemed like a common thing to call redheads prior to this guy's ascendance to fame:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cgAAAOSwa8Jfxbig/s-l225.jpg
― peace, man, Sunday, 23 January 2022 13:16 (two years ago) link
I did wonder if the name would have crossed teh Atlantic if the colouration of the veg was down to support for William of Orange and before that carrots came in other colours as frequently. Purple and white and I think a couple of others.BUt may have my monarchic chronology out. Since George III is after that.the Recto
& added beta carotene is always positive. Like helps you see in the dark if you believe WWII propaganda and stuff.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 23 January 2022 13:27 (two years ago) link
Like thinking that if America as a colony is still part of a hegemonic entity under Royal rule it is in continual conversation with remote geographical regions like those where taht monarch is located. Enough to have the same language be in a similar state to those remote regions and language not in a continual process of evolution, partially influenced by stronger personalities within the local area & so on. Which is probably untrue.& language change probably not something dictated by single points in history. It evolves and doesn't stop evolving and attempts to stop that evolution I think tend to be artificial and unsuccessful.
But still would have though a thing like ginger would have been an obvious referent within the English speaking world once it was discovered and popularised . Which is why i was wondering if a word in a different language may have eclipsed it as something people were referring to red physical characteristics of people. Like.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 23 January 2022 13:36 (two years ago) link
The colouration of carrots was not down to support for William of Orange. I think the use of ginger for redheads dates from after the USA became independent of the UK?
― Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 January 2022 13:40 (two years ago) link
ginger isn't even orange/red it ought be noted
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 23 January 2022 13:50 (two years ago) link
Maureen Tucker and Virginia Baker were true trailblazers for female drummers back in the 60s, that much I do know.
― Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 January 2022 13:54 (two years ago) link
what are ginger cats called in america?
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Sunday, 23 January 2022 14:26 (two years ago) link
Marmalade?
― Mark G, Sunday, 23 January 2022 14:30 (two years ago) link
william of orange cats
― mookieproof, Sunday, 23 January 2022 14:30 (two years ago) link
Orange cats.
― umami dearest (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 23 January 2022 14:46 (two years ago) link
Among redheaded guys born in the the first half of the 20th Century in the US, I hear the nickname Rusty.
― the plant based god (bendy), Sunday, 23 January 2022 15:28 (two years ago) link
That a lot of online communities are pretty toxic. This one seems ok tho.
― Piano Mouth, Sunday, 23 January 2022 15:57 (two years ago) link
Rusty and Red are so nice. I hate the UK sometimes.
― Alba, Sunday, 23 January 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link
Carrot top less so
I do remember hearing the negative “…like a red-headed stepchild” growing up in slang regarding personal or societal rejection. I suspect that has more roots than mere dislike of gingerness as a trait itself. Does that slang exist in uk?
― The Hon. Christian Sharia (R - MO) (Hunt3r), Sunday, 23 January 2022 19:35 (two years ago) link
I don't know, tbh, the thing about the UK/Ireland is that there are probably more red-headed people here than anywhere else in the world, and that's got to be a factor somehow. It's like there's enough of them around to annoy people.
― Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 January 2022 19:47 (two years ago) link
Got this from twitter, but I, too, never considered the meaning of the "This little piggy" rhyme as being about anything other than the piggy going shopping, or not, or having dinner, etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 January 2022 19:55 (two years ago) link
I always assumed 'red headed stepchild' meant it was an obvious sign that the kid was the product of adultery due to the uncommonness of the the trait
― joygoat, Sunday, 23 January 2022 23:52 (two years ago) link
I seem to recall people where i grew up calling redheads.... "red"
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 00:42 (two years ago) link
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/scratchpad/images/0/02/600full-fraggle-rock-screenshot.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141211024155
― peace, man, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:08 (two years ago) link
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/scratchpad/images/0/02/600full-fraggle-rock-screenshot.jpg
I always assumed 'red headed stepchild' meant it was an obvious sign that the kid was the product of adultery due to the uncommonness of the the trait― joygoat, Sunday, 23 January 2022 23:52 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― joygoat, Sunday, 23 January 2022 23:52 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
There was an advert, well back in the day. A happy family in the house, one daughter with long red hair. The milkman passes by, he has short ginger hair. The father looks at them both, then the mother and goes ‘hmmm…’. Father and mother both laugh, and get on with I dunno, breakfast maybe.
At the time, I was like oh vaguely accusing your wife of adultery is a funny thing to do, is it?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 18:11 (two years ago) link
Ironically enough, advertisers in the UK absolutely love red haired people - children and women almost exclusively mind you - I imagine because they stand out?
― Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 18:27 (two years ago) link
Yeah - all the "ginger" taunting seems to be reserved to blokes..
― Mark G, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 09:32 (two years ago) link
Ruby Hamad says squaw is Algonquin for vagina I'm finding some alternative sources but it does look like usage has lead to it having a colloquial meaning along those lines. It was what I grew up thinking was just the common term for indian woman thanks to media representation etc.
I have read that the House of Orange associated the orange carrot to themselves as a publicity etc device and focused the cultivation of the plant in that colour. It appears that there was an earlier development of the plant in that colour but there is still a tradition that it was bred for the purpose of House of Orange propaganda/promotion. I'm also reading that prior to this point things like carrots were mainly livestock fodder. Reading that seed for orange carrots may have come from Islamic sources a while before, like 100 years or so. But up until a certain point a carrot was as likely to be one of a range of different colours and after a certain point it is stereotypically orange.
Oh & ginger was a spice used by the Romans and first written about 500 BCE in China
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 11:18 (two years ago) link
All the ginger root I've ever seen is light brown on the outside and white on the inside. It is neither red nor orange.
― Emanuel Axolotl (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 12:21 (two years ago) link
possibly the first time I knowingly ate ginger root was at Wagamamas where it was bright pinky-orange! I assume it's pickled in some way. But I eat the normal ginger root all the time now.
― kinder, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 13:56 (two years ago) link
Mick Hucknall claims he was ginger-taunted
― they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 15:43 (two years ago) link
...and Hucknall's cinematic avatar in 24 Hour Party People is the first I heard of "ginger" as an insult. In the year of our lord 2002, when I was already thirtymumble years old.
Only after that did I learn that it was a Whole Thing in Britain, and there was even a documentary about gingers and ginger rights and ginger acceptance and the difficulty of ginger dating unless you went to a specifically ginger convention.
― Emanuel Axolotl (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 15:54 (two years ago) link
Yeah, documentary was nonsense, but hey.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 15:58 (two years ago) link
the pink ginger in sushi places is dyed I believe
― Number None, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 15:59 (two years ago) link
And now I am eating a ginger biscuit. Life is good.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 16:02 (two years ago) link
The woman in Andrew Wyeth's painting Christina's World is on the ground because the woman who inspired it had a degenerative muscular disorder and could not walk.
― Josefa, Thursday, 27 January 2022 23:16 (two years ago) link
She was firmly against using a wheelchair, so she would crawl everywhere.
― visiting, Thursday, 27 January 2022 23:23 (two years ago) link
i found that out a week or two ago!
― kinder, Friday, 28 January 2022 09:07 (two years ago) link