I was reading that William Orbit interview on the other thread, and he made an obvious but still good observation, that there are entire eras of music and various scenes that were barely even photographed, let alone filmed. Now, of course, everything is photographed and filmed. But when you see stuff like this, or that Eno doc, or things of their ilk, it's almost like seeing the Patterson–Gimlin Bigfoot film.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 14:02 (two years ago) link
Have been reminded recently of what a shame it is that Pere Ubu don't appear to have had anything filmed before Birdies in Urgh! A Music War. Just would have been something else if teh art scene in Cleveland included film makers who wanted to document the scene and capture the band when onetime possible Television member peter Laughner was onboard or over the next couple of years.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 20:35 (two years ago) link
Yeah - massive shame if no footage survives of singles/modern/dub era ubu
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Friday, 21 January 2022 00:04 (two years ago) link
I've seen (and enjoyed) Ubu live - but something about the music of that era makes it seem appropriate that their art is audio-only. Seeing film of them would be like dubbing sound on a silent movie... it was meant to documented exclusively sonically.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 21 January 2022 01:24 (two years ago) link
We will be touring as a trio this November. Myself on guitar and vocals; David Leonard on bass and vocals and Kevin Tooley on drums and vocals. It will be great fun and I very much looks forward to it, We will again be touring the North East, hoping to get to the west coast later— Richard Lloyd (@RichardLloyd206) September 7, 2022
― dow, Thursday, 8 September 2022 01:52 (one year ago) link
I love, love this band to bits. I've never seen them live, one of my biggest regrets.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 28 January 2023 15:51 (one year ago) link
Seeing bad, bad rumours on the internet right now :(
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 28 January 2023 20:54 (one year ago) link
Yeah. Let's see.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 January 2023 20:57 (one year ago) link
is this a trustworthy news site?
https://snbc13.com/tom-verlaine-marquee-moon-popular-singer-guitarist-has-died-death-obituary/
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:11 (one year ago) link
i don't have fb, but maybe someone with access can confirm rosenbloom's account?
obviously tough news.
― "i'm grateful." (Austin), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:17 (one year ago) link
https://louderthanwar.com/tom-verlaine-dies-at-73/
― sleeve, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:19 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I know Lee a bit from back in the day. He's definitely one of those "in the know" music types.
― henry s, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:20 (one year ago) link
I don't know this person but apparently a credible source :(
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn-Kmjaul80/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:20 (one year ago) link
Fuck
ugh, looking like it's true
― tylerw, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:21 (one year ago) link
Marquee Moon was one of those records I'd read about years before I heard it, one of the rare ones that not only lived up to the hype but exceeded it in ways I couldn't have imagined. Changed so much about how I thought about rock bands and how to construct music.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:22 (one year ago) link
I don't know what more you could ever hope to achieve using the standard drums/bass/guitar format
Never even considered the possibility of him dying
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:24 (one year ago) link
My intro? The eponymous 1992 album: a minor masterpiece of precision. I heard Verlaine and Lloyd's duels and thought, "Who the hell are these people?" An ideal preparation for Marquee Moon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeIoKtnPBiQ
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:25 (one year ago) link
they canceled a tour last year because of "health problems" but I didn't dare think this would happen ...
― tylerw, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:26 (one year ago) link
I’m just playing Venus on repeat now
― Mule, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:28 (one year ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jan/02/robert-forster-venus-by-television-is-the-most-perfect-song-of-all-time
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:31 (one year ago) link
marquee moon was one of those instant classics that simply sounded fantastic on first listen (+put a lot of the contemporary stuff i was into at the time in its proper place) and still greets like an old friend when i hear it these days. maybe adventure even more.
― "i'm grateful." (Austin), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:31 (one year ago) link
I love the Adventure stuff on Live At the Old Waldorf, such a great document of the band live
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:36 (one year ago) link
yes, absolutely
― sleeve, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:37 (one year ago) link
the early demo stuff collected on the Poor Circulation boot CD is incredible as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tMSNmKV1sk
― sleeve, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:38 (one year ago) link
I’m not sure what to look for on FB, but Lee Rosenbloom has an RIP.
― The Big O RLY (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:38 (one year ago) link
First television song I ever heard was that amazing clip of them doing 'Foxhole' on the OGWT, that made me want to buy a guitar like nothing else i'd ever seen. Adventure was always precious to me because of that tune
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:39 (one year ago) link
Jonathan Paley as well, in a Verlaine group on FB
― Mule, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:39 (one year ago) link
Xp
50 minutes ago. Cites a “close family friend” as source.(xp)
― The Big O RLY (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:39 (one year ago) link
Man, this sucks. Pretty much everything this guy did after the first Television album was almost an afterthought, certainly overlooked, but what more did he have to prove? It's a blessing and a curse to start your career with an album that helps change the course of music. RIP.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:41 (one year ago) link
So weird the way you clue into death. I saw someone had put up a "Marquee Moon"-related post on FB. Then a second one, but I still didn't make the connection. Then a Television thread at the top of ILM and it was clear.
― clemenza, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:44 (one year ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/28/arts/music/tom-verlaine-influential-guitarist-and-songwriter-dies-at-73.html
― nostormo, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:54 (one year ago) link
RIP
Love his first solo album. Can you imagine being covered by Bowie? Only a few got that privilege.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:58 (one year ago) link
RIP ;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyQBLQgVblY
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:59 (one year ago) link
Went looking for the solo version and had no idea Television had done this back in 1975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=032bsV9SeWg
― Piedie Gimbel, Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:04 (one year ago) link
saw him at a WMFU record fair once. didn't expect him to be so tall! John Lurie too - like standing next to a skyscraper
― Paul, Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:06 (one year ago) link
xp yeah there are some incredible early versions of that, another one from CBGB '75 as well
― sleeve, Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:08 (one year ago) link
always found this one incredibly moving, going to listen to it now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhoSxmqO710Tom Verlaine - Song
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:11 (one year ago) link
Went by the book stalls outside Strand yesterday thinking I’d see you as usual, have a smoke, talk about rare poetry finds for a couple of hours, downtown NYC racing by our slow meditations on music, writing - gonna miss you Tom. TV Rest In Peace.— Thurston Moore (@nowjazznow) January 28, 2023
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:27 (one year ago) link
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:39 (forty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
His vamping and obnoxious eyelash flutters in that performance rule so hard
God damn this is so sad, is there anything on earth that sounds like the way he played that jazzmaster
― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:29 (one year ago) link
There was a post somewhere I think on this board that got stuck in my head forever about how that closing stretch of The Dream's Dream is basically the prettiest guitar playing ever, and yeah
― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:35 (one year ago) link
Can’t believe itI mean I totally can but this does not at all feel good rnMM and old Waldorf obv, but hear me now, Flash Light is also a masterpiece, I will never ever back down about this. Solo show w band at Bowery Ballroom in 06 a lifetime high for me Wahhh There’s almost no one left standing of my old favorites now. Crocus B, Robyn H and Richard T long life to you.
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:41 (one year ago) link
Am I tripping or is the 1:35 mark of elevation the inspo for rhcp “Californication”
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:43 (one year ago) link
If that wasn't me it should have been. It has a real uplifting quality - rivalled only by a Popol Vuh song used in Herzog's "Heart of Glass".
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:48 (one year ago) link
In some ways the dreams dream, especially the Waldorf version, is my favorite television recording
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:55 (one year ago) link
everything this guy did after the first Television album was almost an afterthought, certainly overlooked
I'd love to think that his solo albums might get a little of the attention they deserved all along:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noJ2H19Qh8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rx03SpAh_U
Of course, he was a great guitar player, but his songs and singing could have been visionary even if he had never picked one up. His music was all of a piece, never showing off, all expressing the view from inside his head.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 28 January 2023 23:08 (one year ago) link
man, rip. i wonder if that 4th tv album will ever emerge in one form or another.
― Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 28 January 2023 23:22 (one year ago) link