Post a controversial music opinion

Lol. Alfred.

Also my ILB bias made me hope you were referring to Penelope Fitzgerald.

Actually the term is gaslamping

If you made an NFT of Shakespeare demolishing a Frisco Burger

gaslamping is when you're tricked into buying overpriced fish tacos while taking a break from comicon

Gaslampin with flavor flav

the overpriced fish tacos: now there's a band that didn't suck! get this— i once saw them when the rapture was opening for them and nobody stuck around after the rapture played. unreal!

(do we have a proper "self-parody your musical opinions" topic or is that just kind of every topic?)

is it still preposterous for a funk band to play rock'n'roll?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2nqZCSnN1U

I don’t really get the P-Funk comparison, tbh

No other band could’ve made Exile on Main Street; its qualities are pure Stones, even if it’s not your thing.

my thing is listenable, enjoyable music.

so no, not the rolling stones.

Insofar as they're both rock/R&B bands that were active during the 70s, it's not wildly inappropriate for the sort of broad comparison being made. Expressing a general distaste for rock does seem to take the bite out of attacks on individual rock bands, though.xp

topic title: post a controversial music opinion

ilx after i follow instructions: not like that lol

seriously though: you guys are fucking exemplary people and i love all of you. not joking whatsoever. thank you.

(okay, maybe not the guy who blurted out that i like shit bands. i mean, that's my thing. stop stealing my material, dude.)

xp I think both have their well-established niche

“Sonic Youth sucks… Jane’s Addiction are so much better!”
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gaslighting

There's no better term for an upbringing where they tricked you by putting Maggot Brain in the Dirty Work sleeve.

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“Sonic Youth sucks… Jane’s Addiction are so much better!”
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― (Still) Swingin’ on the flippity-flop (morrisp), Friday, January 14, 2022 6:39 PM

i should like to point out that the more flippant part of my brain just likened this to "pukin' on a pile of shit." and while that's completely inappropriate to put in such a way, i still kind of agree with the sentiment that, yes: you took the one very bad thing and and even worse thing in its place. and i laughed, thank you.

*put an even worse thing

Austin is Jimmy Vivino, and he's just blowing off steam while away from marc maron.

I've been in love before
I've been in love before

In Chris Heath’s chronicle of Neil Tennant and Chris Lowe’s Asian tour called Pet Shop Boys Literally, Tennant theorizes that “I’ve Been in Love Before” boasts the worst line he’d ever heard in a song: ‘I’ve been in love before/The hardest part is when you’re in it” (he imagined a deep Greek voice following that with INNIT? INNIT?).

Austin is Jimmy Vivino, and he's just blowing off steam while away from marc maron.

― Ssäm Sauce | Martha Stewart (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, January 14, 2022 7:27 PM

you shot who in the what, now?

There's a venerable tradition of disliking guitar-based rock on this board. I guess Tuomas doesn't post much any more but he was rather vocal on that subject, although he did like P-Funk too, IIRC.

Skrillex is superior to any music featuring a guitar. That said, he should be killed.

― Banaka™ (banaka), Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:33 PM bookmarkflaglink

hahaha classic banaka

that one (for me) is second only to the "free will" post

... I was DJing at a party, and this annoying girl asked me whether I could play some Nirvana, and I was like, sure. Then I put "Call It What You Want" on; it starts exactly like "Smells Like Teen Spirit", but then the bassline kicks in and MC Fusion starts his (to be honest, rather awful) rap. You should've seen the expression on the girl's face!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, May 20, 2005 4:23 AM (sixteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

the loud and distorted noises made by rock guitars startled and frightened tuomas

The one I really get on Austin's list is Elvis Costello— have never been able to understand what the fuck people hear in this guy's music.

the funny part is: i actually really like a lot of rock bands and prefer r+b that has guitars in it.

not my fault that most of the guitar music that's been canonized is just shit.

in a nice way.☺

I started liking Elvis Costello a lot more when I stopped thinking about him as being "punk rock" or "new wave" or whatever everybody says he is supposed to be and started just thinking he was a petulant dude who made petulant music and there's a time and place for that

He's certainly never been punk rock!

Generally I love The Rolling Stones but I think the A-side of Exile is kinda bad! especially because the rest is so great.

Nirvana are terrific

Pixies are terrific, especially the debut album/EP, it is wild tho how Frank's songwriting from Trompe onward showed his hand, you realize he's more of a prestidigitator than a songwriter, and his magic tricks were more effective at the outset. Still pretty magical though. "Vamos" is one of the weirdest best songs I can think of

the punks were useful idiots for elvis c. i'm sure he preferred it that way. the main difference between him and them was that some punks could actually write engaging music.

genuinely believe we'd all be living in a utopia by now if pixies and nirvana never existed (or at least fizzled out before making any records). just bad, hurtful music.

and the stones are even worse than that.

and, just in case anyone thinks i'm just showing my bias away from rock music, i will reiterate: d'angelo is also among the most overrated ever and has made plenty of embarrassingly bad music.

here's a controp in the inverse way: zapp and roger troutman made some of the most innovative music of their era. those first two zapp albums (and the first roger album) are better than any records that were in the rock sections at the same time. like . . . it's not even close.

it is wild tho how Frank's songwriting from Trompe onward showed his hand, you realize he's more of a prestidigitator than a songwriter

that's a very intriguing thought, which admittedly i don't quite follow. what was it that tipped you off, and what's the difference anyhow?

Oh, I think it was "Subbacultcha" that was the first 'miss' of a lyric, but what "showed his hand" was "Whatever Happened To Pong?" and "I Wanna Live On An Abstract Plain" off his solo albums where it wasn't surreal any more, it was that 50/50 balance of "clever" and "funny" that ends up being neither

I think it was further up in this thread that people were questioning as to why a band can fall off and cause people to dislike their earlier material as a result, I don't think it's that much of a mystery. With any body of work there is an unknown element of "what would it sound like if this band got bad" and as long as it remains unknown, the existing work retains its magic. Hearing Frank Blank get hokey-jokes on his post-Pixies songs definitely made me like lines I used to unconditionally love feel less lovely. "Self-parody" is often used but I feel like it's more like if you keep doing magic tricks, eventually the audience figures out how they work, and it makes your previous tricks less special, I guess

I think a lot about this wrt Smog, bc I'm not a fan of Dongs-era, songs like "Dress Sexy" feel like he's telling jokes, whereas there was something grim and mysterious and not-jokey (but actually very funny) about "37 Push-Ups" and "I Break Horses" and "My Family"

It's funny I guess people don't really think "Frank Black, lyricist" but I've puzzled over the meaning of more Pixies songs in my life than Bob Dylan or Joni. "Cookie I think you're tame" lives rent-free etc.

I do think that, sometimes. "Dead" + "Gouge Away" = "Hallelujah"?

"if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit."

pixies firmly in the latter.

Uriah hit the crapper

xp to fgti, ahh ok, not at all what i thought you meant.

With any body of work there is an unknown element of "what would it sound like if this band got bad" and as long as it remains unknown, the existing work retains its magic.

OTM

not wanting to shit up the proper topic with my rants and raves but jesus christ, jane's addiction is some abysmal bullshit. crimes against humanity levels of dreadfulness. perfect argument against free speech and proof that just because you can doesn't mean you should.

where's the clip of perry farrell saying hiphop "isn't intelligent music"? i really want to sample it. what a terrible person.

See, why don't you post on the individual threads for these bands if you want to incite controversy?

not wanting to shit up the proper topic with my rants and raves

― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Sunday, January 16, 2022 10:36 AM

xp fgti I mostly agree with you re: Frank Black, though I think his lyrical semi-shark-jump came on Bossanova when he started jettisoning the gothic surrealist imagery and fixating on UFOs/Roswell/Area 51, partially embracing a kind of "Weird-with-a-capital-W" 50s B-movie aesthetic that was nowhere near as cool as what he was doing before. Despite this, I still love Trompe Le Monde deeply, and his whole thing didn't really start to fall apart for me til the first solo album. "Subbacultcha" was actually one of his earliest songs; it was on their original Purple Tape demo but didn't make it onto Come on Pilgrim.

I can't find any evidence that Perry Farrell said that quote, would seem odd since he collaborated and is friends with Ice-T and booked him on the first Lollapalooza when no rock festivals booked hip hop.

I can find quotes from him saying they were influenced by hip hop.

He even did an Uproxx video in 2019 talking about Ice T

Huh, check out this Farrell quote that came up in a search (talking to MTV News): “(T)hose first two zapp albums (and the first roger album) are better than any records that were in the rock sections at the same time. like . . . it's not even close.”

it was from an early 90s interview. it was in a longer form documentary about music evolution after punk. could've been something i saw on pbs just as likely as it was to have been vh1. it definitely wasn't mtv. that's all i can remember. it's real and it happened. sorry if that's upsetting for you.

would imagine he's backtracked quite a bit ever since, because duh.

it wouldn't be so bad if his music wasn't such absolute trash, but oh well. i don't have to listen to it and i'm not invested in it whatsoever. but it is rubbish.

I've been caught trolling once
when I was 25

I wouldn't spare a second out of my day to defend Perry Farrell, but I find it hard to believe he'd say that with all the evidence to the contrary and that, if he did, it wouldn't be preserved in multiple places because of the shock value.

not wanting to shit up the proper topic with my rants and raves
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Sunday, January 16, 2022 10:36 AM

Oh, I thought this thread was the "proper topic".

...and you were apologizing in advance.