Post a controversial music opinion

I never "got" the Pixies. They seemed to be a band intent on being grating and annoying. That said, I did hear Trompe le Monde on an excellent system a few months ago, and it sounded pretty damn good.

I’m not personally a big fan of most of the artists Austin listed, but the “maybe three good songs” thing is pure tr0ll.

Yeah, that's clearly hyperbole. All of those bands have some good songs that are still relevant today. I mean Olivia Rodrigo is ripping off "Pump It Up". "Androgynous" has become kind of a gender-nonconformist anthem.

i've never really understood the idea that mediocre later work takes away from the work the artist did in their prime? you don't have to listen to steel wheels or whatever albums, the idea that they should have died and stopped making music and that would be a better legacy is so strange, they are musicians they want to make music so why begrudge them that?

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 14, 2022 11:05 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

well music is subjective so when an artist releases a bunch of garbage it makes you suspect that perhaps their early stuff maybe wasn't as good as you've been rating it. also a good part of the excitement of a good debut is the promise of what's to come.

Kanye probably a good example here, you have to overlook a lot even on his good albums, so when his music turns to garbage and he starts acting like a total shithead in public you find yourself being less forgiving. the mystique is gone.

funny thing is I hated the Stones until my early 30s and once I actually got into blues proper, their blues-rawk made more sense to me and I suddenly started loving them.

and I don't mean mild dislike, I outright fucking hated the Stones almost as much as the Eagles prior to then

well music is subjective so when an artist releases a bunch of garbage it makes you suspect that perhaps their early stuff maybe wasn't as good as you've been rating it. also a good part of the excitement of a good debut is the promise of what's to come.

this is why being a metalhead is so diff, we're used to basically everybody saying "xxx SUCKS NOW" after the first demo comes out

yeah, i mean i'm not particularly a fan of elvis costello but i also think the guy has at least two dozen good-to-great songs.

i love almost every noise Nirvana ever played

I'd have to know how familiar the critic was with the output of six different, long-running musical acts, to come up with a ratio of songs heard to songs enjoyed. I'm highly amused by the idea of someone listening to 30-ish Stones and Costello records when they only appreciate half a song from each.

i was gaslit into thinking they were better than what i was hearing.

they are not.

an artist releasing total shit later has literally no effect on me liking their good stuff

gaslighting really does mean nothing now

"you misremember. you actually FUCKING LOVE nirvana. like em MUCH more than David Bowie. Well, you know you left that coffee mug on the roof of your car and drove off. you're kind of shit at remembering things, like how you rate Nirvana over David Bowie."

I'm a fan of both The Replacements and Elvis Costello but I can certainly see why people would consider them both overrated. I suppose I even consider them overrated myself.

Some groups retain an aura for me out of keeping with my actual critical evaluation of them. For instance, the only song I really like on Let It Bleed is "Gimme Shelter", but I'm disinclined to quarrel about whether it's a great record or not, or whether the Stones were in the middle of a strong period.

I am very far from the world's biggest Stones fan, but claiming they have <= 3 good songs is insanity

I wish people would go back to saying 'conned' or 'tricked' instead of 'gaslit' and variations thereof.

fwiw I don't think Let It Bleed is that great either

In the Big Orange SPIN Book, Bill Wyman (no relation to po-faced ex-Stones rotter) was already wondering about Elvis Costello's canonical standing -- in 1994!

So what shit bands do you like Austin?

So what shit bands do you like Austin?

I wish people would go back to saying 'conned' or 'tricked' instead of 'gaslit' and variations thereof.

this whole discussion is basically the first dozen posts on any old ilm thread about a classic rock artists

rolling stones suck. i had a super long explanation written about gaslighting and my intentional use of that word in this context (and how it's totally relevant), but nope that is my explanation: stones are overrated and have always made bad music.

I am very far from the world's biggest Stones fan, but claiming they have <= 3 good songs is insanity

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, January 14, 2022 3:25 PM

uhm, hi? actual crazy person here. i am living proof that insanity makes perfect sense. and i'm damn proud of that, btw. gotta be the good example, y'know.

i was being a bit too strict with "three songs" thing. there's probably at least 7 or 8 songs that i wouldn't turn off (but certainly wouldn't choose to listen to). i'd really have to think about it, which i simply don't care enough to do.

here's a fairly vanilla one: catalogue r+b 60s-80s demolishes catalogue rock in terms of consistency. even the best stones album is no match for second tier p-funk.

the shit bands i like don't even have a singer or a guitarist most of the time. and the ones that do don't even play power chords. fucking awful dreck.

this whole discussion is basically the first dozen posts on any old ilm thread about a classic rock artists

maybe they were on to something back then, yeah?

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I mean you clearly succeeded at posting a controversial opinion.

all praise be to the mighty one known to us only as "ROSS."

Stones arguably went four albums without more than three bad songs?

But I might just be gaslighting you.

Stones arguably went four albums without more than three bad songs?

― Bullet Boys 2022 Complete "Freakshow" album live! (PBKR), Friday, January 14, 2022 5:00 PM

truly a controp.

But I might just be gaslighting you.

― Bullet Boys 2022 Complete "Freakshow" album live! (PBKR), Friday, January 14, 2022 5:00 PM

see, the joke is to not take it personally and end up saying things like this.

but i wouldn't expect much more from a rolling stones fan.☺

Is it correct to say you see liking your love for "catalogue r+b 60s-80s" over rock as a moral virtue rather than a quirk of taste?

Delete either "liking" or "your love" from the previous post as you prefer.

Bringing in P-Funk is preposterous, despite my agreeing with your revulsion, because, well, Parliament and Funkadelic slay most rock bands in their path.

That's like saying "Shakespeare demolishes Hardy!" or "Cervantes destroys Fitzgerald!"

Parliament and Funkadelic slay most rock bands in their path.

alfred answered for me.

is it still preposterous for a funk band to play rock'n'roll?

morals have nothing to do with the fact that rock bands mostly made inferior music.

Lol. Alfred.

Also my ILB bias made me hope you were referring to Penelope Fitzgerald.

Actually the term is gaslamping

If you made an NFT of Shakespeare demolishing a Frisco Burger

gaslamping is when you're tricked into buying overpriced fish tacos while taking a break from comicon

Gaslampin with flavor flav

the overpriced fish tacos: now there's a band that didn't suck! get this— i once saw them when the rapture was opening for them and nobody stuck around after the rapture played. unreal!

(do we have a proper "self-parody your musical opinions" topic or is that just kind of every topic?)

is it still preposterous for a funk band to play rock'n'roll?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2nqZCSnN1U

I don’t really get the P-Funk comparison, tbh

No other band could’ve made Exile on Main Street; its qualities are pure Stones, even if it’s not your thing.

my thing is listenable, enjoyable music.

so no, not the rolling stones.

Insofar as they're both rock/R&B bands that were active during the 70s, it's not wildly inappropriate for the sort of broad comparison being made. Expressing a general distaste for rock does seem to take the bite out of attacks on individual rock bands, though.xp

topic title: post a controversial music opinion

ilx after i follow instructions: not like that lol

seriously though: you guys are fucking exemplary people and i love all of you. not joking whatsoever. thank you.

(okay, maybe not the guy who blurted out that i like shit bands. i mean, that's my thing. stop stealing my material, dude.)

xp I think both have their well-established niche

“Sonic Youth sucks… Jane’s Addiction are so much better!”
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gaslighting

There's no better term for an upbringing where they tricked you by putting Maggot Brain in the Dirty Work sleeve.

~~ hi. there are some very rude comments to follow. please scroll past if toilet humor does not appeal. i'm actually having a very nice time in this purposely absurdist discussion. again tho, scroll past if you don't want to read something gross.~~

“Sonic Youth sucks… Jane’s Addiction are so much better!”
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― (Still) Swingin’ on the flippity-flop (morrisp), Friday, January 14, 2022 6:39 PM

i should like to point out that the more flippant part of my brain just likened this to "pukin' on a pile of shit." and while that's completely inappropriate to put in such a way, i still kind of agree with the sentiment that, yes: you took the one very bad thing and and even worse thing in its place. and i laughed, thank you.