Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

i did it for the lols, i forgot there are people everywhere itching to do berniebro stuff

#stillwithher

#pantsuitbackfromthecleaners

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLGFyxAP0QE

This thread in a nutshell:

Love her or loathe her, I'll give you three reasons she should have been president: Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett.

― jimbeaux

It's amazing how even at 74, she manages to come off like the student council president trying to sound cool while saying "marijuana is for losers."

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive)

how is this woman still alive? i could have sworn she was on her death bed! remember at the 9/11 anniversary she passed out because her handler didn't give her the injection in her neck that was keeping her alive. pretty sure she was clinically dead there for a few minutes until they could get the baby blood she has to drink to function.

the only thing I know is the whole "vote blue no matter who!" vs. "why should I play into this system when both sides are bad" debate is gonna get much worse now that Republicans are openly telegraphing the end of democracy

hey some people want democracy to end, other people want it to stay. I think they should met in the middle.

"Both sides do it"

lmao this thread

classic, strong salty grandma energy

Is ‘nebb back?

Imagine a Hillary/Bernie/Kamala 2024 primary

what about a brunch instead

Is Pepsi OK?

I'm pretty sure most if not all of the people posting in this thread agree that (1) it would be better if any democrat, Hillary or otherwise, had won in 2016, (2) it is bad that Trump won, (3) it is bad that Trump got three supreme court picks, and (4) #3 is one of the main reasons why #1 is true.

Bernie needs to pass the mantle in 2024 to someone like Jeff Merkley.

I also think that one of the reasons, though not the exclusive reason, that democrats don't perform better hinges on the fundamental misunderstanding inherent in the idea that "Bernie voters stayed home/voted for Trump" (putting aside that this is an exaggerated phenomenon).

First, framing things that way implies that there is an immutable group of voters that would otherwise have voted for Hillary and even whose votes Hillary was entitled to. By not voting for Hillary, they actually betrayed the Democrats and Hillary to whom they owed their votes. This is just an extremely dumb and vain way to think about electoral politics. It completely misses the point that many of those voters were not necessarily likely democratic voters to begin with, and certainly were not solid, vote-blue-no-matter-who voters. The guy who voted for Bernie but voted for Trump in the general pretty obviously was not a solid democratic voter to begin with. Anytime a party blames voters rather than looking in the mirror and asking "why did we fail to win votes that we could have won?" it's clear why they lost.

Certainly, I would not pin the entire loss on Bernie voters who stayed home. It's a truism that Hillary Clinton is hated, although I made hundreds of calls for her before the election and got an overwhelmingly positive response. The Comey announcement definitely hurt, as did her campaign's taking the swing states in the Midwest for granted. I was responding specifically to the assertion that Bernie should have been President, and know for a fact that at least some people who would have voted for Bernie did not vote at all in the general.

The decline in turnout among Black voters across all ages had a much bigger impact than 'Bernie voters who stayed home.'

Yes, that killed her in Michigan and Wisconsin.

dear god
please make me a bird, so i can fly fah, fah fah away from here
dear god
please make me

where’s Detroit, asking as a foreigner

(1) Low Black turnout
(2) Comey news in October

Those things cost her the election.

it's pretty commonly accepted that Hillary would have almost certainly won if not for that Comey letter right? it reinforced the one thing that everyone kept harping on and kept Trump out of the news for the most critical stretch. 10 days out from the election it was like a precision strike. another week and the polls probably would've bounced back. god it fuckin pissed me off seeing that tall goon everywhere talking about the danger of the dude he singlehandedly threw the election to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwaiyjh1dGk

The best part was when Comey got welcomed into the #resistance after the letter and throwing the election.

And wrote a book comparing Trump to a Mafia don.

one of the cringiest characters to emerge in the Trump era, and buddy that is saying something

Karl otm

Bernie needs to pass the mantle in 2024 to someone like Jeff Merkley.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, January 14, 2022 3:17 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

look if there's one thing the GOP is doing right (electorally, at least), it's realizing that Trumpism is their future and flooding the polls with reactionaries like Boebert and Cawthorn, while the Dems are operating as though the future of the party is in intensely focus-grouped centrists like Mayor Pete and Kamala. like they are still in this mode where "qualifications" are all that matter. all my life I've seen the winner of the Presidential race go to whichever candidate is funnier/easier to imitate. What do Bob Dole, Al Gore, John Kerry, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Hillary Clinton all have in common? They're intensely boring people!! Nobody particularly likes them!! Sure, Biden is one of 'em too, but he had the advantage of running against the least popular president in history. The Dems **do** have politicians that people actually like and they seem to shun them at every turn. They have something in Bernie but, he's 78 years old and that is a concern everyone seems to have. They need to find as many people like him as they can. I legitimately had hope in 2018 when people like AOC, Ilhan, Tlaib etc. were winning seats. How many more are they gonna find for 2022? Cuz you know for the GOP it's gonna be all people like Matt Gaetz and MTG.

I got no problem with AOC or Ilhan Omar going after the Bernie base in 2024. They know how to go on the offensive.

frogbs otm

xp Omar can’t run for President.

too bad. and I'm not sure if AOC is 35 y.o. in 2024.

The GOP was better at recognizing AOC's political talent than the dems were. You can tell by how hard they went after her (admittedly also part of a strategy to paint the dems as far left)

Also helps that AOC is attractive and has this sort of celebrity aura about her. I think this was a big part of Obama's appeal too. When the 2020 Dem debates were happening when it was just Bernie and Biden a lot of people commented on the optics of that, like how can you get excited about two old men shouting at each other? Who's looking at that and saying "yes, these are my people"? AOC very much seems like the sort of person who can win people over. She's very articulate and has a way of speaking that is very unlike typical Dem politicians.

. When the 2020 Dem debates were happening when it was just Bernie and Biden a lot of people commented on the optics of that, like how can you get excited about two old men shouting at each other? Who's looking at that and saying "yes, these are my people"?

dogg, who do you think votes?

Like, for Democrats specifically?

Whats the odds of clinton running again

That may be, but she was the party's nominee. The Bernie voters who stayed home in the general can go fuck themselves, since they fucked the rest of us.

― jimbeaux, Friday, January 14, 2022 1:34 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it’s adorable to me that we still have dopey posters like this what with our membership drought, can’t wait to see what’s next for this guy

Mimbeauxship drought

listened to the le tigre song and now I finally understand why trump won

I think AOC turns 35 the month before the 2015 election

Uh, the 2014 one i mean

Or perhaps 2024

we could do a poll

I never want to look at a poll involving Hillary Clinton again

this is not my beautiful subtweet

Yow, Hillary unloads on Bernie in ⁦@alivitali⁩’s new book pic.twitter.com/G7HJL8fLYS

— Bill Scher (@billscher) August 12, 2022