Surely he meant "Flux = Rad"? How do you confuse those two songs
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Thursday, 13 January 2022 14:05 (two years ago) link
Only thing I was mad about WZ was that it only had three sides.
― pplains, Thursday, 13 January 2022 18:42 (two years ago) link
I remember the cool-guy record store clerk saying he didn't like it (and was only into their early stuff).
― i woke up alarmed (morrisp), Thursday, 13 January 2022 19:13 (two years ago) link
That review is a very one listen response to wz and of its time as I remember it being a high point of "alternative rock" popularity and people were expecting them to build on the "success" of cut your hair and they dropped this sprawling mass of a record & blasted through the songs in front of empty pavilion seats at daytime lollapaloozas. Looking back now, it's clearly a masterpiece and shows the band's progression as artists, but this is the terror twilight thread and that album is underrated, the production & sequencing were great on cd & hold up just fine.
― BrianB, Thursday, 13 January 2022 23:36 (two years ago) link
terror twilight was actually the first pavement record i heard somehow, i was smitten with malkmus's songwriting and lyrics and esp guitar playing
WZ is my favorite now tho, most 'pavement-y' to me
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 14 January 2022 00:14 (two years ago) link
wait that RS review of CR,CR mentions flying burrito brothers? what flying burrito brothers sounds like that record??
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 14 January 2022 00:34 (two years ago) link
I guess "Range Life" could be construed as "a nod" to the Burrito Brothers?
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 14 January 2022 03:51 (two years ago) link
When I bought the album the summer after it came out the record store guy excitedly told me "This album restored my faith in music!" (RIP Aboveground Records, Edgartown MA). I find it enjoyable enough but always felt sort of let down after that build-up.
― Sam Weller, Friday, 14 January 2022 08:35 (two years ago) link
"Speak, See, Remember" is resonating with me a lot more than it once did, particularly these lines - at points almost a "developers' aspirational prayer" or "developers' motivation" or something - and how their stresses fall:
"Buy now!Develop the coast and raise the, sight linesThe oceans are moving out and, somedayDevelop the coast and sell the airYou know if we could, we'd sell the air
Stand back!Expansion is what we do the bestI don't see the grass and the fieldsI see an epicenter with agendasAnd you are aware, they must be nextI hope you're aware, they must be next"
A lot (not all) of Terror Twilight is for me about how certain songs present at first, and that presentation is was roots in memory, but the songs morph in fascinating ways when I revisit the record in real-time, like, "oh yeah, there's also this bit, that bit, a choice line rampaging in the late going."
Previous Pavement LPs exist in full form in memory for me, for whatever reason.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 6 February 2022 03:26 (two years ago) link
Also, the tenor of SM's voice in this part of the song is pretty interesting - hysteria, tedium, and flatness, sometimes in the same breath.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 6 February 2022 03:29 (two years ago) link
That is one of my favorite bits of the entire album, the way it shifts and accelerates from the previous parts.
― removing bookmarks never felt so good (PBKR), Sunday, 6 February 2022 03:31 (two years ago) link
Huh, that’s interesting… I’ve never parsed those lines. Thanx for posting that
― False Pretenses Lad (morrisp), Sunday, 6 February 2022 03:36 (two years ago) link
I never did either, until pretty recently!
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 6 February 2022 03:38 (two years ago) link
Yeah that part rules so much
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Monday, 7 February 2022 03:55 (two years ago) link
do it do it do it do it
Speak See Remember is one of those songs that makes me realize the limitations of the band, esp. the drummer. Would be so badass with the "right" drummer/band
― a (waterface), Monday, 7 February 2022 13:08 (two years ago) link
I like "speak see remember", definitely one of the more swingin' numbers in their repertoire
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Monday, 7 February 2022 13:45 (two years ago) link
The built environment always figured into their lyrics a little bit (and in places like the Wowee Zowee liner art) – usually in a halfway romanticized way – but it seems most explicit on this album; in those lines above, and also "The Hexx" ("reeling in a parking lot" / "standing on the freeway")... like, if you ever wondered why the band is called Pavement.
― False Pretenses Lad (morrisp), Monday, 7 February 2022 16:50 (two years ago) link
the Cut Your Hair video, sliding down that freeway embankment
― alpine static, Monday, 7 February 2022 18:16 (two years ago) link
or wait ... was that not Cut Your Hair? Santa suits, bows and arrows, etc.?
― alpine static, Monday, 7 February 2022 18:18 (two years ago) link
Gold Soundz ... right:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPvhKV3Yg2k
― alpine static, Monday, 7 February 2022 18:20 (two years ago) link
Was SM’s dad an architect or urban planner, or am I misremembering? I think Spiral Stairs actually did study urban planning after the band broke up.
― False Pretenses Lad (morrisp), Monday, 7 February 2022 19:17 (two years ago) link
Being Stephen Malkmus is … easy. You’re born upper-middle class in Los Angeles, the son of a general property/casualty insurance agent.
from https://magnetmagazine.com/2001/04/01/stephen-malkmus-being-stephen-malkmus/
― mizzell, Monday, 7 February 2022 19:24 (two years ago) link
Sounds like Kannberg never actually went to school for it
“I have a few blogs I look at all the time about city planning,” he says. “I get pretty excited about that kind of stuff. I lived in Seattle for a long time and I still follow what’s going on there. San Francisco too. I had the idea that I was going to get back into it but I just kind of let it go and kept making records.”
From https://www.popmatters.com/city-plans-and-vulcan-hands-spiral-stairs-scott-kannberg-speaks-2495400365.html
― mizzell, Monday, 7 February 2022 19:35 (two years ago) link
"there's blood in the butter the kitchen's are closed" always sticks in my head from Speak See Remember. Unhygienic!
― cajunsunday, Monday, 7 February 2022 19:55 (two years ago) link
xp And people call them slackers...! (ha ha)
I always heard "the kitchens are closed for the holidays" as referring to, like, a ski resort or boarding school... but not sure about that
― False Pretenses Lad (morrisp), Monday, 7 February 2022 20:06 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Ww_O3ceKU
― mizzell, Friday, 11 March 2022 15:01 (two years ago) link
Very on brand to promote this web oddity
― kraudive, Friday, 11 March 2022 15:40 (two years ago) link
The track may be a significant source of $$ for them, considering its numbers (assuming streaming at that level does make money for artists)
― u swear (morrisp), Friday, 11 March 2022 15:52 (two years ago) link
weird turn of events! will there be a bunch of gen z kids at the pavement reunion shows? i'm guessing "no" but I don't really know.
― tylerw, Friday, 11 March 2022 18:20 (two years ago) link
Maybe with their parents
― u swear (morrisp), Friday, 11 March 2022 18:52 (two years ago) link
Nast really needs to write a memoir
http://vishkhanna.com/2022/04/05/ep-677-pavement/?fbclid=IwAR1IXLmY4sjqOV1EbV9P7ygxG9QzHMblmR3OgjcokUvKi3SATXU43nC9Zsg
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 22:01 (one year ago) link
he does. man he sounds bitter in that interview though. and he's living in a shack???? yikes. hope the dude is ok
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 12:20 (one year ago) link
The scuttlebutt for the 2010 reunion tour was that Malkmus did it to help out Nastanovich financially iirc.
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 13:34 (one year ago) link
yup
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 13:40 (one year ago) link
I remember that turning up in a MAGNET profile
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link
Also
https://pitchfork.com/features/article/so-much-for-destiny-the-story-of-pavements-terror-twilight/?fbclid=IwAR3VxDN0JcOH7ZIukECQ7pBOFDDDKlSr97e4_QUfEovBhvNNIPXVqfp8zCg
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 16:27 (one year ago) link
That Pitchfork piece is a good read, but also annoys me all over again that they are only restoring the Gordich sequencing on the LP, but not the CD version. Seems dumb.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 16:49 (one year ago) link
in that interview its funny to get godrich's take on the infamous forgetting-bob's-name issue. happy to have some closure on that one.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 17:35 (one year ago) link
"Look, maybe I only forgot his name once."
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 17:46 (one year ago) link
Yeah, that's kinda weak, lol – "there’s five of them and just one of me"
I mean I'm sure he's a nice guy, etc.
― ass time permits (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 18:14 (one year ago) link
he got paid very well for that gig, iirc. least he could do is remember the name of one of the nicest guys in music.
― alpine static, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 18:45 (one year ago) link
bob lives in a house, i think he just was recording the podcast in a shed haha.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 18:58 (one year ago) link
yeah i wasn't sure.
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 19:01 (one year ago) link
that pitchfork article is kinda great. i dig the new sequencing too
really hope malkmus tours with the traditional techniques band next year, would love to see that live. seems like he recorded an album this past fall/winter with that crew too, so i hope it happens
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 19:03 (one year ago) link
Tix for the NY shows are more than $100 each wtf?
― calstars, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 19:48 (one year ago) link
what's his name needs a new pair of shoes.
― mizzell, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 19:58 (one year ago) link
i dig the new sequencing too
It does seem pretty good, I just don't at all get the thinking behind hyping up the new sequencing as something they "fixed up" for the reissue if they were only going to bother doing it on one of the two physical formats. Just seems bizarre.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 21:48 (one year ago) link
This version of stereo has me roflinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI5akIHu99E
― calstars, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 22:00 (one year ago) link
no idea why they didn't just have Spiral sing lead at that gig
― alpine static, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 22:18 (one year ago) link