'Children of Men', the new Alfonso Cuaron sci-fi flick

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Hey Jude isn't a random googler, either.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 January 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

My mistake! The sincerity of Hey Jude's post is strange and foreign to me.

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Friday, 19 January 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey Jude = Rock Hardy's wife.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 January 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Her sincerity is strange and foreign to me too. ILX has given me a ground-glass coating of irony and cynicism.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 January 2007 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

JEALOUS

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

That's the right shape!

do i have to draw you a heart attack (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

The King Crimson song was great, and a lot of the music was great. The Ruby Tuesday cover was unnecessary - surely the original would have sufficed. Don't know why they had to add the screaming SFX to the Aphex Twin track that Caine's character blasts for a laugh (and they should've used some intense Venetian Snares or something anyway).

Venetian Snares would have been more intense, but he's simply not British enough, had to be Aphex. Almost all the music in this film, relentlessly national. When the choral music at the end kicked up, I started fighting the film a bit, but at one point the music geek in me realized 'oh hey that's John Tavener most popular living British composer' etc. and it clicked with the rest of the film.

One exception to the nationalism, they use several seconds of Penderecki's "Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima" during the final siege

The 'Ruby Tuesday' cover was by Italian Franco Battiato, who did some really weird & good albums in the 70's -- this cover is from his later Euro mainstream period, but points for Battiato

need to see this film again

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't worry. My sincerity isn't contagious. At least not that I can tell.

Buncha doofuses. ;D

Hey Jude (Hey Jude), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link

And my record for killing threads dead as a doornail continues! Woot!!

Hey Jude (Hey Jude), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

YO LIBRARIANS WHO LIKE THIS FILM!!!!!!!!!!!

I ordered a copy for work and it arrived today, but do i catalogue it as Mexican or English? We normally go for country of director's origin / most notable work period (as with literature), but this is SO English, from the novel, the funding, the cast. Annoying.

It's gotta be Mexican, cos that's where the other Cuarón film we have is (Y Tu Mama), but that seems ridiculous. Would I put HP & Prisoner of Azkhaban there too?

ARGH.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 January 2007 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I think this shows a flaw in the catagorization system rather than the film!

Get two copies just in case...

Pete (Pete), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Ally wore me down this weekend and I got over my dissatisfaction with the ending.

Also, I decided I like imagining that Clive's character had just begun day-drinking/flasking his morning coffee shortly before we meet him. two days into his go-for-broke alcoholism experiment and then all this shit happens!

TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG, Leaving Bexhill. Thank god it wasn't Cage.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Nick, follow your (deeply, deeply flawed) system and stick that bad boy in the Mexican section. (If you organized by genre/title, you wouldn't have this problem...)

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Consultation with more dutiful library people than I has suggested the same result. Cataloguing by genre/title in an academic film library when students come in asking for "spanish film" or "antipodean film" would be a nightmare.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Fair enough!

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Nick, I'd look at the production company's country of origin rather than the director's. You can find this on IMDB very easily,as in this case: US/UK.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

it's a weird dilemma cuz there more int'l co-productions than ever these days. you guys can't cross-ref or file under more than category?

i think you need to put a call into dj martian

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

My main consideration is always "where would the students look for it?" and the answer to that is always "where the catalogue tells them". You can cross-ref. as much as you like on a bibliographic record, but there's only one DVD to go on the shelves...

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

if king solomon posted to ilx he would tell you to cut the dvd into halves and put one in each section.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

lord custos solomon

and what (ooo), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Does "The Birds" go in "England"?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Saw this on Saturday night. Didn't know a thing about it, in fact I thought it was going to be a relationship drama about, you know, fathers and sons and their inability to, you know, communicate. But it's playing at the theatre near my house, and I was bored. I guess I was pretty surprised and overjoyed at stumbling into such a feast of a movie.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha, at the moment, tracer, Britain, American and Australia (etc) are all lumped in together. Now I'm charge though we're moving that out at Easter.

Where Hitchcock goes is a headache though, aye...

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought it was kickass, and don't have much to add. i will say, tho:

* theo breaking down in the woods was appropriate
* killing julianne moore was genuinely surprising. i figured they'd work on reconciliation and THEN she'd die
* the midwife speech was stupid and needlessly expository
* "The world they've set up has nothing to do with Iraq, so there's no one-to-one-correspondence being claimed for anything." UH. did we watch the same movie??
* the jasper death scene was a little wtf, just because, yeah, dude is running interference for you and you're BLOWING IT.
* i don't want to see this again soon, but i will eventually, just to better appreciate the technical aspects. the dialogue will probably seem much worse.
* animals LOVED theo.
* HEY KEE, BREASTFEED YR BABY.

attack all monsters (skowly), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 05:50 (seventeen years ago) link

The DVD has a making of thing that explains the filming inside the car for the ambush scene. The second time through, I noticed the cinematography a lot more, and a "how did they DO that?" level. Those insanely long shots. The claustrophobia of five people cooped up in a car.

It still caught me up and dragged me in, so that certain things (the betrayal of Julian by the Fishes) still caught me utterly by surprise, emotionally, even if I had seen it before. It was nice to have that utterly OHMIGODWHATWILLHAPPEN tension removed a bit, though (when you know that said person doesn't die here, they die later on) so that I could concentrate on the details. There was just so much going on.

Also, was struck by the film's utter Londonness (I would say Englishness, but it still felt like Future London was almost a character - even when only present in 2012 shirt) - Emsk and I were debating whether or not this film could have been made in an American setting, and I just don't think it would have worked. Jucara (sp?) and I thought it was quite religious in points, but Emsk still didn't.

I really *liked* the ambiguity of the ending even more, second time through (though I still don't see where Theo got shot) - and also I thought that the midwife scene was quite important, I thought it worked - it provided setting and emotional setting without giving any real explanation.

The Jaspar death scene was important for Theo to witness - his disconnection from everything he'd ever cared about, there really is no turning back for him now - but it did annoy me that it lost him time. Really he should have just seen it from a distance while driving out.

Shoes and Shoegazeability (kate), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

gbx, the movie I saw took place in England. No Iraqis in sight! That's what I mean by "nothing to do with Iraq," but yeah that could have been clearer. There are images and vibes drawn directly from what's going on in Iraq, but rather than just make an allegory, which would have failed, it drags two different scenarios through each other: domestic fascism as filtered through our experience fighting wars of invasion and occupation. The echoes of today's Iraq (and Lebanon, and others) drew me further into the story because it wasn't just a case of going "see, THIS is like THAT", it was more like, once you start down a road of certain stances and techniques you may be surprised at how evil you can become.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link

From Empire online: Mark Abraham, one of the producers on Children of Men, told The Courier Journal (based in his hometown of Louisville, Kentucky) yesterday that he’s planning another film with Men star Clive Owen, with the laconic English star playing that iconic American detective, Philip Marlowe.

Now this is all early stuff, and hasn’t been announced yet, but it’s an interesting step for Owen, who with the worldweariness he displayed in Children of Men would seem ideally suited for the role. While the best-known Marlowe is probably still Humphrey Bogart (who only played the role once, in 1946’s The Big Sleep), actors like Dick Powell, Robert Mitchum (twice, in Farewell, My Lovely and The Big Sleep) and Elliot Gould have also played him.

This film will be based on one of Raymond Chandler’s stories, although it’s not clear yet whether it will be based on one of his original Marlowe stories, or one of the many other detective stories where Marlowe’s name was later substituted for that of one of Chandler’s less popular gumshoes (apparently with Chandler’s approval). It's not to be confused with the planned ABC Philip Marlowe crime series also being planned at the moment.

For those of you not familiar with Marlowe, rest assured that he’s cynical but, underneath it all, slightly idealistic sleuth, with a hardboiled honour code, a ruthless streak and a weakness for dames that look like Lauren Bacall. Chandler said, “I think he might seduce a duchess, and I am quite sure he would not spoil a virgin." So that makes it all clear. We’ll bring you more on this when it’s officially announced.

DavidM* (unreal), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, when, precisely, did Theo lose his shoes? Anyone?

Shoes and Shoegazeability (kate), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I think he forgot to put them on when he went to get Kee and Miriam out of the Fish's farmhouse.

chap (chap), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Philip Marlowe w/a Britishes accent?? Please

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Did he have a "Britishes" accent in Sin City?

DavidM* (unreal), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:35 (seventeen years ago) link

No, a quite poor American one. And his character was kind of a Marlowe analogue.

chap (chap), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Based on "Sin City", I thought Clive Owen was an awful horrible unforgivable actor. Oops I was wrong.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Playing Marlowe is promising, but I'd rather see Owen star in Red Harvest.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Clive Owen is the male Rachel Weisz when it comes to doing US accents.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not sure exactly what you mean, but i assume you mean that he can't do them. and you're right. dude should stay britishes in his movies.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Or just do like Sean Connery. "Sho I'm shupposhed to be Egypshian? Fuck it."

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

"Shixteenth shentury Italian monk you say?"

chap (chap), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

There's acting in Sin City?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Rachel Weisz is an order of magnitude better at American accents than Clive Owen (yes I fully grasp the magnitude of what I am asserting).

Sean Connery is kind of brilliant with his abject refusal to do accents other than his own; "Highlander" wouldn't have been nearly as awesome without him.

(xpost: Yes, there's acting in "Sin City"! Pulpy scene-chewing is still acting, even if you don't care for it; my gripe with Owen was that he wasn't in line with his costars. Brittany Murphy completely, totally and thoroughly showed him up and that should be kind of embarrassing for him.)

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought Brittany Murphy was excellent in Sin City.

haha xpost

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

(haha I love the I got up to get coffee before posting something so somehow it took me 5 minutes to xpost one sentence)

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

The Continental Op in Red Harvest is supposed to be 50-something, short, solid, & plain, so I'd have to disagree with Milo on that one. Paul Giamatti, maybe. Ha.

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't think Clive Owen's performance in Sin City stood out that much, but I was surprised to learn that he was attempting an American accent. Really?

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I may be misremembering but I'm pretty sure he did a decent American in Inside Man...but I think he might've spoke with other accents in that movie?

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

He speaks in a British accent throughout the entirety of Inside Man.

Allyzay doesnt get into the monkeys or vindications (allyzay), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

actually in inside man he's got a weird half-half thing going on.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

His American was crap, dude needed a dialect coach. (Unrelated: the whole disguise conceit in Inside Man kind of strains credibility because you can easily see Clive's MASSIVE LIPS through the mask)

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link


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