2021-22 NBA "REGULAR" SEASON THREAD

cp3 vs wade is an interesting one to me, feel like I would take Paul but not sure I have an at all accurate memory of wade

cp vs wade is much closer i agree.

wade and kobe are interesting re the contemporary game cause wade didnt shoot 3s and kobe shot tons of them, very poorly

i mean almost all of those are voted upon awards and kobe is the most overrated player ever

― lag∞n, Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:10 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i think close to his death he was becoming properly rated and the pendulum was swinging towards underrated a bit. twitter was very anti kobe for a time.

has any player in nba history gotten a bigger rep bump than kyrie for a 2-3 game stretch of insane play?

twitter is full of lunatics tho, amongst casuals hes top 5 xp

kyrie is a legitimately great scorer he can go out and get you a shot, and hit it too, its just the everything else thats not really at alltime levels

I watched a lot of CP and Kobe at their peaks but one thing with Kobe in those years is that when Kobe was on the floor you were never out of a game. The dude would just have these moments where he could dominate a game like no others.

i mean kobe was obviously a legit great player, but also he was a chucker

they were almost teammates that wouulda been something

kobe prob wouldve been a better player without all that psycho a-dog pop psychology bs he built his image on, which is ironic

i mean kobe was obviously a legit great player, but also he was a chucker

― lag∞n, Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:29 PM (twenty-nine seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

that was also an era thing tho. and as kobe aged he got worse and the chucking stood out even more as teams/players were getting smarter and more analytically sound. watching old kobe/iverson highlights is hilarious so many shots with their heels on the 3 point line.

kobe prob wouldve been a better player without all that psycho a-dog pop psychology bs he built his image on, which is ironic

― lag∞n, Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:31 PM (thirty-two seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

also funny cos he became a big ol softy as soon as he left the game. makes you wonder if he woulda been ok with a different approach to the game.

i think cp vs wade comes down to whether you have the discussion on holistic career consistency and longevity terms vs i’m playing some theoretical basketball game and i’m picking guys based on a 7-8 year peak or whatever. there were some up and down seasons in wade’s run & he was done as an elite player by like age 32, but you look at the years after he established himself in the league and he’s putting up 28-5-7 with 2.5 spg & 1 bpg, couldn’t shoot at all from three but was well over 50% from inside the arc, got to the line like a maniac, crazy athlete, major playmaker on both ends of the court. it’s totally fair to say that guy was better than even the best of chris paul, imo

he was a freaking psychopath that willed himself to be as good as he was. I don't think he could have operated in a different way.

thats the story he told

i do think he was legitimately a psychopath tho or something like that

kobe is prob a more efficient and “better” player on paper if he has a different personality but idk if i’d wanna take his maniacal drive & general psychotic state of existence away from him. i mean there’s something that separates him from like tmac & james harden and it’s not just injury luck

also if you're talking "influence on the game"; I actually think Kobe was a bad influence on a lot of players. when Brandon Jennings was chucking up 30+ shots a game for the Bucks including every crunch time basket I have no doubt he was thinking about Kobe the whole time

can we step back from the bryant corp pr for a moment

yeah i mean kobe wasn't necessarily physically gifted or anything

Kobe was the best player in the nba for one season. At one point Pau was the best player on the Lakers.

also if you're talking "influence on the game"; I actually think Kobe was a bad influence on a lot of players. when Brandon Jennings was chucking up 30+ shots a game for the Bucks including every crunch time basket I have no doubt he was thinking about Kobe the whole time

― frogbs, Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:39 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

he ruined tatum, for one.

Kobe was the best player in the nba for one season. At one point Pau was the best player on the Lakers.

― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:41 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

by this metric how many seasons was cp the best player in the nba? how many were both in the top 5.. or 10?

there was a deadspin post on this exact topic wrt kobe

https://deadspin.com/who-was-the-actual-best-player-in-the-nba-every-year-du-1770857828

cp3 and kobels actually similar in that they were both good for very long

jesus

2005-06 LeBron James, 9.5 (Kobe 6.5, 5th)

2006-07 LeBron James, 7.6 (Kobe 5.3, 6th)

2007-08 LeBron James, 10.1 (Kobe 6.0, 3rd)

2008-09 LeBron James, 11.6 (Kobe 4.9, 6th)

2009-10 LeBron James, 10.9 (Kobe 4.0, 13th)

2010-11 LeBron James, 8.2 (Kobe 4.1, 12th)

2011-12 LeBron James, 7.6 (Kobe 2.4)

2012-13 LeBron James, 9.8 (Kobe 5.1, 7th)

this James guy might be good

https://c.tenor.com/qmVb5kZGi-kAAAAC/lebron-james-kid.gif

ESPN Sources: Cleveland Cavaliers general manager Koby Altman has agreed to a contract extension through the 2027-2028 season. Altman’s new title will be President of Basketball Operations.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) January 12, 2022

god bless

2005-06 LeBron James, 9.5 (Kobe 6.5, 5th)

I must be reading this wrong or it must be an error or something, because when I click on the actual article I see Kobe ranked 2nd, not 5th.

garland and mobley looking like great picks and he stole jarrett allen but idk, it's still just koby altman

Kobe was the best player in the nba for one season. At one point Pau was the best player on the Lakers.

― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:41 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

by this metric how many seasons was cp the best player in the nba? how many were both in the top 5.. or 10?

Wade is weird because his status as best player was really just one playoff run

dubs call a timeout, follow it up with two turnovers and an airball, griz by 18

griz are good. dubs are due to come back to earth imo. curry has quietly been bad and they’re getting a lot out of guys who haven’t really proven themselves and/or are old

well, they’re playing without draymond tonight

insane behind the back pass on the fast break by steph

love to watch klay thompson hit The Three Point Shot

ball bounces off klays face then hand before going out of bounds with a ref looking on four feet away, dubs ball, klay drains a three, lmao

this is unbelievable!

Ball hits Klay Thompson twice before going out, Zach Zarba (staring at floor) gives it to Warriors pic.twitter.com/GmF0EBW7js

— Fastbreak Breakfast (@fastbreakbreak) January 12, 2022

Also I’m pretty sure klay’s toe was on the line on that 3

KG's massively underrated according to that VORP article

not amongst me

minnesota timberwolves where reputations go to die

Minnesota KG feels like a forgotten great. Like people remember the still amazing Celtic, but not the guy who led his team in every single stat for a season. Highest non-Lebron VORP on that list.

recall haralabob saying over the decade or whatever timeframe he had his own statistical system for gambling which involved his people logging every play that kg had the single best season

there's also some version of KG where he comes along like 15-20 years later & decides it's ok to shoot threes & his stat profile looks even more insane

he did shoot threes for one season and it did not go well but maybe he just didnt give it enough chance