America's favorite Dystopian pastime - NFL 2021-22

knowing us we will probably pursue a first-time coach that nobody else is interested in and coached in Arena Football or some shit

you obviously know much more about them than i do but they’re two seasons removed from one of the most blatant tank jobs in nfl history and have had back-to-back winning seasons. they’ve done well against the pats

idk! i guess it depends on who they hire now but i’m skeptical it’ll be an improvement? at least it probably won’t be matt patricia

all these guys fired while apparently joe judge will get another season, yikes

my Fins don't ever do anything that sets them up for success in the future, so I'm skeptical too. wouldn't be surprised if we step backwards next year now. yay.

lol at Judge keeping his job, he's legit a terrible coach and his fanbase basically wants his head on a pike.

one of three black nfl head coaches gets fired after posting back-to-back winning seasons, stay classy league

Amazing that they leave the GM that drafted an offensive line that boasts 4 of the 5 worst linemen in the league with his job intact.

yeah that's what amazes me about this, it seems very very obvious what the Dolphins' problem is and it's not Flores

I feel like Flores will get a chance somewhere else

well turn out the lights on the Mike Zimmer/Chris Spielman era

will overall look back fondly on Zimmer, will definitely miss his crusty old school demeanor in press conferences

was a solid run overall, but I felt like when we didn't get to the Super Bowl after the Minneapolis Miracle that was his shot and when that didn't happen it was just going to be the long decline

nepotism brought him down

I mean, he wasn't fault-free, but our fanbase is terrible and ownership seems to do the same kneejerk shit our fanbase wants. we run players out of town who are actually good and go on to great careers with other teams, and Tua has been basically deemed "not the answer" since he took his first snap last year.

for years it was "Ryan Tannehill isn't an elite qb". guess what? Only like 3-5 QBs will ever be ELITE at a time, hence the word "elite". 2nd tier QBs can still play very well and win! ffs Joe Flacco won a super bowl! and now Tannehill is going to the playoffs....again. and is doing well in Tennessee, and our fans are acting shocked.

we'll run Tua out of town too and he'll be a next level player somewhere, I'm sure of it. probably for a division rival.

xxpost

one of three black nfl head coaches gets fired after posting back-to-back winning seasons, stay classy league

― roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Monday, January 10, 2022 10:28 AM bookmarkflaglink

also the first time Miami had back to back winning seasons in 19 years. but hey, Stephen Ross doesn't gaf. also doesn't mind pursuing a rapist QB (which I"m praying he doesn't do again)

Zimmer's a bummer, but I felt like it was a forgone conclusion this year.

really hoping Vikings can get their SB ring sooner than later, fanbase deserves it.

appreciate that, but not holding my breath

I honestly wouldn't be mad if they looked into Flores

but sounds like they will hire a GM first and let them do the hire which is really the right way to do it

also doesn't mind pursuing a rapist QB (which I"m praying he doesn't do again)

― they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Monday, January 10, 2022 10:52 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

apparently a big reason why watson wanted to go to miami was to play with flores. who even knows what the hell is happening here

xp anyone w that huge a ticket couldve easily (?) hedged both sides when OT started & made nice $

I don't think you could've? What do you hedge with, betting a lot of money on the Raiders moneyline and a lot on the Chargers moneyline? Wouldn't those just cancel each other out?

xpost I would literally win the lottery and pay Grier not to take Watson at this point.

also because of the fucking bullshit way the media and Miami has treated Tua, who seems to be subject to a different set of standards than most other QBs. like did he murder a lot of dogs or something

xpost yeah a parlay = "all of these things have to happen for you to win", not something you could revisit once OT started. Most sportsbooks have a Cashout feature if your outcome is likely but you don't want to risk waiting for end of game, but I don't think that would be allowed in the case of OT, where it's far more likely someone will score than not.

True but this game did have a particularly unusual dynamic. When it got down to 3 minutes I honestly thought they may just kneel it to prevent a turnover. But I guess getting to play Cincinnati instead of KC is worth the risk.

one of three black nfl head coaches gets fired after posting back-to-back winning seasons, stay classy league

back down to one, but i’m sure eric bienenemy and byron leftwich will enjoy being interviewed eight times each

fired after one season and getting wins with a third round rookie qb. It's such bullshit.

this seems uhh really bad for the league

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/02/hue-jackson-suggests-he-was-paid-extra-for-losses-as-browns-head-coach/

the problem is what the reaction will be.

fans could theoretically file class action suits if this turned out to be true, as it could be considered a form of fraud. so the NFL will probably try to blame a few 'bad apples' as owners, fine them, and then will change the draft into a lottery system like the NBA.

and they'll be happier that people are focusing on THIS problem than the other, racially-concerning items brought up.

wild stuff but I totally believe it

Flores sounds like a stand-up dude.

on the one hand, I really dislike how he handled Tua (telling him "if you're gonna be that bad, I'd have drafted Mac Jones" in the middle of a game).

on the other, he was royally fucked and I support him 100% on this. and I hate our owner and hope he's given the donald STerling treatment.

if true, i'd imagine the league takes this way more seriously than sterling was by the nba, just given that they are increasingly in bed with gambling companies and preserving the integrity of games (and the notion that there are payoffs to throw games, which is really just the owner doing what mob guys used to do in boxing) really threatens that, which i would imagine is their biggest area of potential earnings growth.

i mean shit if donald sterling was an nfl owner i'd expect he'd still own the team

yeah the gambling link is an interesting angle, and why I am guessing Congress will threaten to investigate the NFL (like they always do) for 'improprieties'.

whereas come on, we know teams tank, we always did, the thing was you just never actually fessed up to it for good. Flores broke the unwritten rule but paying someone to tank IS a touch beyond "encouraging playing younger players for development purposes, if you get my drift wink wink".

I read Joe Posnanski's Browns Diary during the Hue Jackson years and he was always bewildered by some of the moves (particularly in-game) that Cleveland would make, often writing stuff like "I know for a fact that Jackson is a better coach than this, he never did this kind of thing with the Raiders, so what is going on here?" That 0-16 Browns team was far from average but there's no reason they should've lost every game; they weren't like the Lions of '08 where they just sucked at every position, they had a lot of talent but just blew games every which way they could. Joe never went as far to outright suggest they were throwing games on purpose, but he did use a lot of language like "it's almost as if..."

let’s burn down all sports

Somehow I knew this would come back to the Wizards. Just one of those years. Six Degrees Of Unconscionable. https://t.co/QJAFLtyGM4

— Dave Zirin (@EdgeofSports) February 2, 2022

OF COURSE they tanked!! Tanking is perfectly fine. They wouldn’t have gotten Myles Garrett otherwise and settled for, like, Solomon Thomas or some shit.

it's not about tanking

Deliberately making in-game decisions that ensure a loss is called "taking a dive", not tanking.

Tanking is where you strip your team of talented, experienced players and field a team of talented but raw rookies and veteran mediocrities on cheap contracts you can ditch later. Then you let them play and lose, because the team was built specifically for losing games and can safely be expected to lose all on their own.

yeah, being paid to lose is match-fixing. the type of thing mafiosos used to do in baseball in the early 20th century.

the NFL is going to get sued out the ass if it becomes apparent this isn't smoke and mirrors. and I have a feeling Flores has receipts.

if he doesn't, the NFL is going to lean really hard on plausible deniability

i personally don't see why match-fixing is illegal -- joke's on you if you're betting on games, honestly -- but yeah the rest of the world disagrees. particularly when the leagues now have such close relationships with gambling apps

well, there's the whole folly of buying tickets to games that you think aren't predetermined

Jet fans will sue, then someone will remind them they weren't tanking, they just sucked

i personally don't see why match-fixing is illegal -- joke's on you if you're betting on games, honestly -- but yeah the rest of the world disagrees. particularly when the leagues now have such close relationships with gambling apps

― mookieproof, Wednesday, February 2, 2022 2:47 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

well yeah, you kinda answered your own question there. if a team is deliberately trying to lose it's not just a rogue decision from the coach, and if several people know then in the gambler's mind that means HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE KNEW and deliberately FUCKED YOU OVER, which is just bad PR for sports betting all around

The fun thing about this is that it’s coming right as a No. 1 overall pick took a 2-14 team to the Super Bowl in 2 years so you could easily argue the Browns were actually right to do what they did

i need these tanking teams to drop little bread crumbs for Week 1 games from now on so I can clean up and retire

i gotta say it is weird that nashville got to the superbowl in their first year actually in the city, teeing up years of .500 futility and a lot of early exits in the playoffs and somehow also a rabid tennessee fanbase that wasn't that into the game until they came thiiiiiiiiis close to a championship
probably just a coincidence

Posnanski has an article up about this and he mentions something I had totally forgotten about - when Hue Jackson got fired, he was notably pissed about it, which drew a lot of mockery because he only won 3 of his 40 games...but looking back it makes total sense, cuz the implicit agreement must've been that they were gonna actually start trying in Year 3

also makes the point that Hue was probably not literally paid $100k per loss, but rather that there was some clauses in his contract that rewarded him for doing dumb shit like starting Kizer every game

lol

Doug Pederson will need 3 wins to move into 5th place on the Jaguars all-time wins list, replacing current 5th place HC Urban Meyer.

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) February 4, 2022

due to the nature of football as a sport the NFL hasn't had a major tanking problem but if they really want to eradicate the incentive to tank they're going to need to implement a lottery and some of the stuff the NBA has instituted. in the year that flores was allegedly offered money to tank, the dolphins would have been able to draft joe burrow had they actually tanked. burrow will end up being worth billions of dollars to the bengals if he plays a full career, and i think any dolphins fans would say it would've been worth all the losses, flores suing the team, the owner being thrown out of the league etc to have him. of course flores would probably still have his job if they had tanked for burrow. the browns main problem was not paying their coach to tank but tanking in a year where no elite QB was available (the year they took myles garrett) and then tanking for baker mayfield

NFL to eye diversity efforts in wake of Flores suit

well that's sorted

Kyler Murray just threw a pick six in the Pro Bowl

and now Kirk threw one

well ok not a pick six, but a pick

Lol now Russell Wilson did too.

This is execrable but I'm bored