Anyone ever notice that 2:32 into "Exile" someone audibly sniffs into the microphone? Seems fitting giving it's the start of this album.
― Wally P. Doyle, Monday, 27 December 2021 18:00 (two years ago) link
Er, into "Rocks Off."
joe's got a cough, sounds kinda rough
― mookieproof, Saturday, 15 January 2022 01:54 (two years ago) link
and "loving cup," man, still a mystery how it gets from point a to point b. there's a point early on where keith's rhythm anticipates the horn charts. i think that's the key.
― Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, April 17, 2019 4:55 PM
OK, I hear this now (I didn't get it before)
― A really interesting songwriter is Billie Eilish and her brother. (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 06:44 (two years ago) link
People are always debating what a single LP White Album would look like, but I don’t see much discussion of Exile. Let’s say it’s 1972, and you’re the label rep who has been tasked with reducing Exile to a single record. What goes on your version?
― blatherskite, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 15:59 (one year ago) link
despite all three being great I could lose the songs after All Down the Line. I don’t suppose that’s going to make it a single record though
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 16:07 (one year ago) link
Rocks OffRip This JointTumbling DiceHappySweet VirginiaLoving Cup
All Down the LineVentilator BluesLet It LooseShine a LightSoul Survivor
― whitehallunity, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 16:15 (one year ago) link
‘People took so many drugs, they forgot they played on it’ – stars on Exile on Main St, the Rolling Stones’ sprawling masterpiece
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/may/09/drugs-exile-on-main-st-rolling-stones-sprawling-masterpiece-50-rocks-off-cote-dazur
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 16:48 (one year ago) link
Rocks OffShake Your HipsTumbling DiceTorn and FrayedLoving Cup
HappySweet VirginiaAll Down the LineLet It LooseShine a LightSoul Survivor
― Bob Dylan's iconic Ray Ban sunglasses (morrisp), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 17:10 (one year ago) link
if you take the full set of situations in which a musician really doesn't remember playing on a recording (for example, david bowie and a lot of station to station, i think?), i wonder what percentage of them fall on the Better than average recording side and how many on the Worse.
trick question. if you don't remember playing on a recording that sucks, either no one will tell you about it later, or they will and you won't believe it.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 17:12 (one year ago) link
Supposedly Alice Cooper can't remember making about three of his early 80s albums.
― Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 17:46 (one year ago) link
Side one1. Rocks Off2. Rip This Joint3. Shake Your Hips4. Casino Boogie5. Sweet Virginia
Side two1. Happy2. All Down The Line3. Stop Breaking Down4. Sweet Black Angel5. Ventilator Blues6. I Just Want To See His Face
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 18:10 (one year ago) link
I think this record would lose a lot of the balance between weird murk and pop if you trimmed it more than a few songs. Side three after Happy is what makes the album really strange and more than just a long Stones record; I love the way Let It Loose builds up out of the uncomfortable swirl of See His Face. The other thing about it is there is a lot less difference here between the really polished and studio-sweetened stuff and the half-written stuff. It really does all kind of blend together way more than their other records since and maybe including Aftermath. So I say just lose Torn and Frayed and Stop Breaking Down and call it good. If you need to make it no longer than Aftermath, I guess you could go 14 tracks, and also lose Casino Boogie and Soul Survivor.
On the other hand, Goats Head should have been a double with all the weird reject songs they'd been sitting on sprinkled around it Physical Graffiti-style, songs like Traveling Man and the stuff from side two of Metamorphosis. I wouldn't mind Angie so much if it segued into Cocksucker Blues.
― mig (guess that dreams always end), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:20 (one year ago) link
People are always debating what a single LP White Album would look like, but I don’t see much discussion of Exile
because there's a *ton* of filler/bullshit on the white album and almost none on exile
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:29 (one year ago) link
Sounds about right.
― Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:32 (one year ago) link
Ironically a lot of shorter Stones albums have way more filler/bullshit on them than Exile.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:32 (one year ago) link
So I say just lose Torn and Frayed and Stop Breaking Down and call it good.
I could live without Stop Breaking Down but Torn and Frayed??? The song that came on the radio the other day and prompted me to soliloquize to my indifferent children about the greatness of this album? Madness.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:47 (one year ago) link
otm
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:52 (one year ago) link
Yeah torn & frayed is great. I love how he says “BORdellooos”
― Bob Dylan's iconic Ray Ban sunglasses (morrisp), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:56 (one year ago) link
"Casino Boogie" is the one song that I would absolutely keep no matter what else stayed or went.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:57 (one year ago) link
I like Torn a lot, but it happens to be like my 15th favorite song on the record. The lines about Codeine are great, the lines about letting the music save you are not really my cuppa tea. I think Happy was recorded before the rest of the album. Maybe we can squeeze Torn and Frayed in if we make Happy a non-lp single that came out before the album.
― mig (guess that dreams always end), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:00 (one year ago) link
Happy was recorded at Nellcote, vocals at Sunset Sound. Earliest song on the album might be Let it Loose (backing track purportedly recorded during the Let It Bleed sessions in early 69).
― whitehallunity, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:06 (one year ago) link
"Lovin' Cup" was Let It Bleed-era too--Stanley Booth mentioned they ran through it at Muscle Shoals (but didn't record it)--and supposedly "Shine A Light" was started back in '67.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:29 (one year ago) link
"Torn and Frayed" is an essential part of the soul of the album imo. it could have ended up annoying and self-pitying in a "Walk of Life"/"Sultans of Swing" kind of way, and it is kind of the album describing itself, but the fact that it's so obviously Mick singing about Keith saves it and makes it beautiful. And the "Joe's got a cough" verse is as succinct and pithy a summary of the opioid epidemic as you can get, a quarter-century early.
Songs I could live with losing from the album are Stop Breaking Down and Soul Survivor. If I had to take out more, maybe Shake Your Hips and Turd on the Run as well, but that's pushing it.
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:31 (one year ago) link
People are always debating what a single LP White Album would look like, but I don’t see much discussion of Exilebecause it RULES which of your children would you kill to create a perfect family
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:39 (one year ago) link
A question I've mulled
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:50 (one year ago) link
NOT
"Lovin' Cup" was Let It Bleed-era too--Stanley Booth mentioned they ran through it at Muscle Shoals (but didn't record it)--and supposedly "Shine A Light" was started back in '67.― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, May 10, 2022 9:29 PM
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, May 10, 2022 9:29 PM
Very true, but I didn't mention those two as the versions on Exile were done later at Olympic/Nellcote, whereas Let it Loose is apparently the same recording from back then.
― whitehallunity, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:50 (one year ago) link
“Torn and Frayed” is pivotal (to Exile, to the Stones, to the ‘70s).And the filler on Exile is no more filler than that of the white album. It’s not filler (at least, not in the sense that, say, 1/4th of Tales From Topographic Oceans is) (by design, as Atlantic told Yes they wouldn’t release a 3-sided album); to paraphrase Kirk Hammet (‘s take on the uneven-at-best 2112), it’s all part of the journey.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:54 (one year ago) link
plug in, flush out and fire the fuckin' feed
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:08 (one year ago) link
having just listened to torn and frayed i can only suspect that mig is secretly LJ, who is legendary for his horrible taste
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:33 (one year ago) link
I never ever understand people who want to trim double albums. Indulgence -- wading around -- is the point.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:41 (one year ago) link
― Lily Dale, T
Love the latter: a masterpiece without exertion. Will keep "Stop..." on the strength of Jagger's electric rhythm work, which will get more prominent on later albums.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:44 (one year ago) link
xp nominate this for an Alfred Tenet
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:45 (one year ago) link
can 100% understand thought experiments about removing rocky raccoon and honey pie from the white album listening experience - especially in pre-CD era
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:47 (one year ago) link
there are definite weaker moments but looking at the tracklist total that's no slight. i could never have a version of this album where "ventilator blues" didn't go into "i just want to see his face."
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 03:38 (one year ago) link
a million times this
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 08:46 (one year ago) link
― mookieproof,
is there a private list
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 10:07 (one year ago) link
"Stop Breaking Down" would be the worst song on a Foghat record. I wonder if Jagger wanted it on the record as a sign they could play without Keith, but this wasn't a very persuasive example.
The only Rolling Stones album with no skippable tracks for me is Beggars Banquet, and I'm being indulgent towards "Salt of the Earth".
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 11:12 (one year ago) link
ah ! Beggars is their "imperial" era album that I like the least.As for Exile, yeah, difficult to cut it down to a single album without losing A LOT of its strength.There's not a track I dislike.By far my favourite album of theirs.
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 11:16 (one year ago) link
FTR, I agree with y’all, but this assignment / thought experiment was specific (Let’s say it’s 1972, and you’re the label rep…).
― Bob Dylan's iconic Ray Ban sunglasses (morrisp), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 14:23 (one year ago) link
eheh ok. But then would you rather ruin a work of art for the future generations... or be fired as a label rep ! ;)anyway, if some tracks HAD to be cut, among the "big" ones, I must say I was never as fond of "All Down The Line" as many people are (I like it and get how catchy/effective it is of course).
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 14:34 (one year ago) link
I wonder if Jagger wanted it on the record as a sign they could play without Keith
I'd argue that "Sway" and "Moonlight Mile" already answered that question definitively in the affirmative.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 14:37 (one year ago) link
sitting here playing around with a playlist of all the tracks, making a sort of Rust Never Sleeps acoustic-to-electric, ballad-to-boogie build of an album.
― bendy, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 15:28 (one year ago) link
and "Sway" and "Moonlight Mile" rank among Jagger's best performances in every dept.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 15:31 (one year ago) link
i usually cut off my listen after "shine a light" because it would've been such a perfect closer. "soul survivor" is fine though. "stop breaking down" is fun but def a bottom tier rocker on the album.
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 15:36 (one year ago) link
soul survivor is one of those album closers that’s like.. when the credits roll at the end of a movieI don’t necessarily buy the conventional wisdom that most double albums have filler.. I mean, I think this album is pretty consistent, idk!
― brimstead, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 15:50 (one year ago) link
"Stop Breaking Down" is great.
― Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 15:54 (one year ago) link
Yeah I always thought of "shine a light" as the last song of the album (and one of my all time favourites)... then "soul survivor" as the credit roll track !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 16:08 (one year ago) link
“Knives Out” did a pretty good job of convincing me “Sweet Virginia” could’ve been an album closer.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 16:35 (one year ago) link