Yeah the gamelany stuff is pretty much just not as good (except Pacific Rat Temple maybe?). Most of James Ferraro's work is not like that though.
― A, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:26 (fourteen years ago) link
remember "subterranean metal"?
― straight from da seward (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:38 (fourteen years ago) link
no
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:42 (fourteen years ago) link
protip: use the contextual clues of this thread to figure out what it was!
― straight from da seward (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Sunn 0))
― De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link
if u google it savage pencil seems to implicitly accept "yes, that was just a made-up label for the sake of getting wire readers to pay attention". which it is nice, that he admits it.
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link
i've read the keenan article, tho' i don't have it to hand right now - he is gd, as you might imagine, on the relationship between dreaming states and memory and music, less good on how this 'hypnagogic pop' somehow manages to escape the dread 'monoculture of conformity' blahblah that we're apparently mired in by referencing, say, the ST ELMO'S FIRE s/t
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link
that article is reaaaaalllly thin, i'm actually amazed The Wire didn't tell Keenan to bugger off with this
but yeah...telling
― rizzx, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
― signature floor-scraping crouches (herb albert), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah but the problem is he is basically shoehorning them all into some made-up genre in order to give them a coherence that they don't actually have.
― anagram, Monday, July 20, 2009 3:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im not sure that's really a problem? like isnt that something all music writer should do... connect non-obvious dots?
― 1p3 freely (s1ocki), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
there's a difference between seeing what others don't see and seeing what isn't there
― some dude, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link
otm some dude. The dots are not actually connectable, so he just looks silly when he tries to do it.
― anagram, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
i agree—i've never heard of any of these bands, though, so i have no idea if there's no there there. and maybe he DOES find something interesting that you know, is conveyed by the actual article and not the cover line.
― 1p3 freely (s1ocki), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
REMAKING THE PAST is a big theme with the wire tho
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Just retagged Emeralds - What happened as Hypnagogic Pop.
― De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
fyi
somebody say "moan-wave?"
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link
i think all of the people who care enough about this to be pissed off should pick something to tag as hypnagogic pop that slavish wire-followers will wind up listening to
meanwhile i guess er i will be listening to keith tippett
hm
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link
All Pussyfooting
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Tagging Electric Red Hypnagogic right now.
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Music to fall asleep to? Damning with faint praise, innit?
― THESE ARE MY FEELINGS! FEEL MY FEELINGS! (I eat cannibals), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
lol moan wave
― Francis, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
moan wave made me remember "new weird america" ...
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
new weird america was keenan too no?
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link
pls to help find MADLIB scans
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link
xp. New weird america was keenan and also not half as obnoxious as hypnagogic pop.
― De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link
largely because he was riffing on something already described and it made some sort of sense rather than just making up a term and lumping some folk in with it.
I bet some of the folk felt pretty lumped in, if only by the law of averages... some ppl are guaranted to be butthurt at any attempt to describe their music
― Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link
but like I said upthread, I feel like it does make a sort of sense FWIW
― Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm not saying there wasn't lumping in done with New Weird America, just that it was a less arbitrary lumping in than hypnagogic pop.
― De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Aren't all genres created by journalists, after a fashion?
― Raekwon Parlour (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I still think "gay fascist muscle disco" should take off
― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link
assumed this was already a thing
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
I put "hypnagogic pop" into a band's one sheet today for the hell of it.
― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link
But really, I don't get the claim that Skaters music has the same effect on the listener as Emeralds. I like em both for what they are but I don't see the similarity. Emeralds have that vast, tranquil Schulze-ish thing going on and Skaters produce the same feeling as when you realize your toast is burning and decide, fuck it, I'm eating it anyway.
― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Weren't Skaters the ones who were ripping people off with their mail order stuff? Or was that just one of the two guys, or am I misremembering something?
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I think dude was just late on shipping something once, they both seem like stand up dudes.
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm glad someone is finally taking a stand against people making up categories in music on an internet message board where almost no one has actually read the piece in question but intend to just as soon as someone else gets off their ass and uploads it for them.
― Matos W.K., Wednesday, 22 July 2009 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link
where else would someone take this stand?
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
exactly!
― Matos W.K., Wednesday, 22 July 2009 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
this piece is not so long that you couldn't adequately skim it at the newsstand fwiw
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link
haha or you could just buy the damn mag
― tulsa anti-juggalo league (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link
and since I bought the magazine, I had read it before starting this thread..
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link
David Keenan is Wire's Julie Burchill, he's the guy employed as much to wind up the subscribers as for any other reason.
He described Wolves In The Throne Room as emo and fuzzpop about four issues ago. If it's not Derek Bailey or something that he totally respects, he just pulls it out of his arse.
― Doran, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
But really, I don't get the claim that Skaters music has the same effect on the listener as Emeralds. I like em both for what they are but I don't see the similarity. Emeralds have that vast, tranquil Schulze-ish thing going on and Skaters produce the same feeling as when you realize your toast is burning and decide, fuck it, I'm eating it anyway.― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:14 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:14 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Their fans are pretty much the same 200 people though.
― swag'll rock (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
If it's not Derek Bailey or something that he totally respects, he just pulls it out of his arse.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Whiney OTM
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
why are we surprised that music critics are total and complete wastes of time?
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link
"we"
― Juggalo Soldier (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
"you"
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link