"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

"There's evidence ON THIS THREAD of former Tory voters switching LD, btw"

Is that you?

LOL

That 31% for Corbyn is still pretty 0_o.

It was Dan Worsley, whose post was far too informed to have any bearing on the present conversation, clearly

"There's evidence ON THIS THREAD of former Tory voters switching LD, btw"

Is that you?

an all-time zingaroony, that 'un

the only thing I'm celebrating is another abject failure of Starmerism, a very bleak and hopeless duopoly of centre-right scumbag parties for the foreseeable future is not something to celebrate. Although I will personally celebrate Kieth's obituary for being the cunt that has enabled this, even though there is 100% certainty his successor will be worse.

there's a >0% chance his successor will be a Whittome figure, although given how many of us have quit and torn up our cards...

(me too, before anyone says anything)

"there's a >0% chance his successor will be a Whittome figure"

The kind of conversation I come here for.

That 31% for Corbyn is still pretty 0_o.

― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Friday, 17 December 2021 bookmarkflaglink

tfw you actually have a serious offer on the table.

it's Kieth's NEC voting threshold changes that will keep left-wing candidates off the leadership ballot forevermore, not members tearing their cards up.

Corbyn's record in a Tory stronghold standing up with '97 Blair's shocker!

genuinely surprised at the result, which apart from anything else seems to kill Brexit as a polarising issue.

— jamie k (@jkbloodtreasure) December 17, 2021

more important (re)tweet and thread a bit further down jamie k's account:

New suspect in the case of the Palme murders, sent an envelope with two bullets matching the murder weapon to frmr Finance Minister Feldt and was apparently on a crusade against road salt

— yakov pettersson (@YakovPettersson) December 16, 2021

hullo all i have now got so good at sleeping thru noisy elections that i overslept entirely, in conclusion

i: this is above all a potholes (and salt) result, which LDs can often bring the juice for in the west like that doctor who went indie (in herefordshire?) or martin bell in derbyshire (also oswestry is a kind of cornwall)
ii: i forgot to mention in my intervention against the open democracy piece that north shropshire is where the glaciers ground to a halt, it is full of moraines and kettleholes and the like, that's its political tradition

hope this helps where's my coffee

> north shropshire is where the glaciers ground to a halt

growing up in tewkesbury we were told they stopped just a few miles north of there (ie some distance south of NShrop)

maybe this is something all geography teachers tell their pupils.

important glacier news from internet user gibble's globe:
https://gibblesglobe.com/2019/05/07/quaternary-shropshire/

the Stretton Valley surely a fine sobriquet for the current Tory polling dip

I mean if your phone doesn't autocorrect Stratton ofc

(no scale on those pictures, mark. but even they show the lakes some distance from the terminal moraine. which i think that means we (and our geography teachers) can both be correct!)

((although my geography teacher was later done for kiddy fiddling so...))

this says bristol channel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zy7cfrd/revision/1

nobody shed a gazetteer for him

The real question is why didn't the glaciers stop at any of the other countries they passed through?

they peeked out of the window, shuddered and drove on

Genuinely surprised that the LDs won this, and by such a margin. Remarkable.

Glad to see a defeat for the most disgusting government of my lifetime.

Glad to see a terrible result for the worst Labour leadership of my lifetime.

some lucky people would have made an absolute killing on the betting exchanges on that result. If I was that way inclined I'd thrown everything on a Tory hold and lost a fortune. Even though it's not as much of a shock result as some blue-ticks are making it out to be the margin of victory is still quite surprising.

It's v much disgruntled Tories voting for their backup option

Look, I'm celebrating too but Tim Farron (TIM FARRON!) holding a balloon with "Boris' Bubble" that is burst by Helen Morgan holding a giant needle is PEAK Lib Dems. pic.twitter.com/2iP7M1XChr

— Sooz "8 Days Til Xmas" Kempner (@SoozUK) December 17, 2021

A regressive alliance, if you will

Sooz Kempner, celebrating? Cancelled

She's gone into the crowd there, clear yellow

can't take braying LibDem triumphalism. Especially from that homophobic prick. Sort of wish the fucking tories had won now!

lol listen to this flailing cnut if you can bear it

You always know a government is in trouble when it starts blaming the media for the public not wanting to vote for them. pic.twitter.com/dqIqWX399p

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) December 17, 2021

Your chummy use of interviewer's first names won't help you now, cunt.

I'd like to see ol' Borry Johnson wriggle his way out of THIS jam

An ok thread.

speaking as a Former Lib Dem voter, there are two reasons people vote lib dem:
1. they're pro-civil liberties, pro-environment, anti-war and fuckin hate labour (me, back when I was young and naive)
2. they're tories who think the tories are a little bit crass (north shropshire)

— Another Angry Woman (@stavvers) December 17, 2021

Lib Dems really looking like a government in waiting now imo.

— Agree to disagree 🍊 🍊 🍊 (@StefGotBooted) December 17, 2021

There have been 6 by elections since the 2019 election and Labour have got their lowest vote share since the creation of the seat in 4 of these by-elections

— Captain Pouch (@pouch_captain) December 17, 2021

Hate the LDs all you like for present and past misdemeanours, but sooner or later you have to face up to the fact that the second most likely outcome whenever the next GE happens after a Tory victory isn't a Labour victory, it's that the parliamentary maths gives Lab+LD combined the most seats. What then? Coalition or confidence & supply agreement?

Irrelevant to me given the current Labour policies

would've thought it was relevant to all of us!

And I'm sure the Lib Dems would be prepared to reluctantly go into coalition with the Tories

What makes anyone think the Lib Dems are keen to help out the Labour party this time though? Is it just vibes? Genuine q because I've no idea what they stand for.

A government that doesn't do anything to address poverty and inequality isn't relevant to anybody who cares about those things

^ this. It would be just newly interesting ways of presenting the same policies of rubbing our faces in the dirt

Glumdalclitch: I would think the logical answer is that KS's Labour, unlike JC's, is extraordinarily mendacious, corrupt and right-wing, and this would appeal to the LDs and make them feel comfortable about being in a coalition or agreement.

I think Grandpoint Genie is correct to say that one should consider what actual outcomes may occur.

Whether one actually welcomes these outcomes (KS as PM?) is another matter.

Is gg one of these brave thinkers previously suppressed by the ilx ukpol mob bc if so, no

Vote Labour for the “good guys” except they aren’t going to do anything about the things that matter to you and they’ll be calling you antisemitic if you object to anything or do anything other than shutting the fuck up and handing over your vote no questions asked.

Is gg one of these brave thinkers previously suppressed by the ilx ukpol mob bc if so, no

Not sure I understand this comment. Is being a "brave thinker" good? It sounds good. To my knowledge, I've never been suppressed by anyone. I remember my friend Dog Latin being ripped an extra one on one of this thread's antecedents, though.