Post a controversial music opinion

I don't like The Beatles quite as much as I used to.

Sgt. Pepper is better than (current) critics say!

yeah I was gonna add a caveat that there are obvs offensive opinions one could post, though even there, apart from arbitrary nonsense invented to prove the point (right-handed people can't sing, etc), how new would they be? "Geir-esque" suggests not very

Tbf, opinions don't have to be new to be controversial.

A thread where you can vent your unpopular opinions without necessarily getting into in-depth discussion with people who are highly invested in the opposite pov seems fine to me.

My point was only that non-new controversial opinions are boring (to me), not that newness is a required condition. fwiw I think imago's hyped albums you want to diss thread might serve more of a purpose than this broader thread. Anyway, I don't like the ILE versions of this thread either, so clearly it's something about me not nec the thread

Post a controversial ILX opinion

my controp - "too many notes"

A letter to the editor of Downbeat about 10 years ago asserted that white people invented jazz.

"Bill Haley invented rock 'n roll" variation there

in retrospect i was just being a baby probably, i can see the need for this thread and obv it's possible to not just click on it

not if you're paid to click on every single thread

*keeps on clicking*

okay, that made me a bit uncomfortable. but good for you, sir!

music sucks

^not really controversial

Too many notes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULkuwxJTGtY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygO-ws6vUrQ

this is the place where the opinions come out once and for all!! if the thread is locked, 100 more will spring up in its place!!

― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 December 2021 16:20 (two days ago) link

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all christmas music is inherently bad . . . not just subjectively either. it ruins societies and i'm sure if pure evil manifested itself into human form, that would be pure evil's musical preference.

the real problem is radio programming

fair point, but why is spotify recommending it to me when i've never even searched for christmas music . . . ever?

sorry, spotify. i like good music.

hence pre-radio Christmas music and Christmas-adjacent music - like trad carols and Tallis and Handel and a few others - is okay.

but generally I would agree that Christmas music written post-1943* can die in fire

* = yes, that date is cherry-picked specifically to include the only two 20th-century Christmas songs that are acceptable in my ears

which are also the saddest

and also among the best

they are, of course "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" and "I'll Be Home for Christmas"

bittersweet sad Christmas songs are best

fuck Frosty and Rudolph and Santa 4evs

"Merry Christmas Baby" (1947) is one of the great standards of the 20th Century.

Well, for Charles Brown I think one can move the goalpost to 1947

The boundary can be fuzzy as long as we don't get into Whamistan

guys . . . no.

it's all evil.

idgaf what anyone says - "Wonderful Christmastime" by Paul McCartney is a very pleasant song and I'm happy to have heard it three times so far this season.

it's dope, hate is performative

ffs!

hate is performative, and performance leads to pleasure, and pleasure leads to pain, and pain leads to hate.

yessss

christmas music good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMm9ltRpXWg

hate is performative, and performance leads to pleasure, and pleasure leads to pain, and pain leads to hate.

― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Wednesday, December 15, 2021 3:52 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

and god is empty just like me

i don't like christmas, i don't participate in christmas. i don't like music that reminds me it's christmas. christmas lights are ok if they approach the ideal of 'abstractly bright and shiny things in a dark season.' not really hate, just i would prefer not to.

i like to imagine some huge outdoor bonfire on the solstice with massive subs playing kevin drumm albums for 24 hours, the winter holiday of my dreams.

i read a little bit about the pagan holiday that xmas stole from. honestly it sounds like a shitty holiday too! arbitrarily enforced merriment that is a self-conscious inversion of some of our nastiest tendencies, no thanks.

NP: "Goop on Ya Grinch"

John Fahey's The New Possibility is beautiful and I think transcends "Christmas music"

that i would listen to

I'm doing everything I can to take a break from Christmas this year. It won't be completely successful, but it is considerably scaled back.

I've hated Christmas and the music for most of my life but now I'm actively invested in created a magical month for my son. I've been playing lots of cartoon Christmas music and this record https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1b4Bp30OjY

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Lost the reply format there, but what’s better than Sonic Youth? Sonic Youth & Christmas!

idgaf what anyone says - "Wonderful Christmastime" by Paul McCartney is a very pleasant song and I'm happy to have heard it three times so far this season.

― peace, man, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 22:21 (two days ago) link

My overactive imagination filmed a vine/tiktok/whatever today. I’ll try to describe it: music playing: “...the choir of children sing their song, ding dong, ding dong, ding dong” and then an old-timey cartoon character, a dumb farmer with big buggy eyes, starts ringing a cow bell and yells at the top of his lungs in double speed “DING-DONG-DING-DONG-DING-DONG-DING-DONG-DING-DONG-DING-DONG-DING-DONG-DONG-DING-DONG...”. As this repeats itself ad nauseam the camera zooms in on his face, the film roll flickers, and layered vocal “ding dong” melodies start to play at different tempos but still in time, and a layer of vocal chatter and cheering starts to play behind it (gradual volume fade-in for all the new layers playing on top of the farmer’s loud voice)... I’m trying to remember what else happened but I layed down in bed after having this thought and ultimately changed the subject.

“Wonderful Christmastime” is alright song though. I’m just not in the mood for any Christmas music this year. As usual.

I'm not religious in the slightest, and I love a great deal of Christmas music. "Lo, How a Rose E'er-Blooming," "Boar's Head Carol," and I mean the overture to Handel's Messiah makes me weep, y'all are crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EBjgiD9zZ4

Lo, How a Rose E'er Blooming is beautiful imo, and I'm not religious either and never have been.

Thirded--those old carols do the job stirring the soul.

adding to my list of most overrated music makers ever (all of them suck a lot):

the replacements*
sonic youth*
the rolling stones
pixies
nirvana
elvis costello

maybe three good songs among the lot.

*previously mentioned entries

also i'd like to offer a partial retraction on my xmas music stance: duke ellington's nutcracker suite is good and listenable.

what are the three songs

yes, the crucial follow-up

The Stones would not be considered overrated if they had died in a fiery plane crash in 1978.