Let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-workers

finding grace for the annoying habits of coworkers is harder than actually working at work

truth bomb

there is literally nothing "important" or "urgent" or even "complicated" about my job, the job itself is barely there. maybe that is one of the reasons why my manager is so bad - they are in denial about this, so everything they come up with to do is just a reflection of whatever insecurity happens to be nagging them in the moment. the hardest part of my job by far is not getting dragged into the hell that everyone else seems to be trapped in. in that sense, doing other things at work - like reading, or anything to take my mind away from the fact that i'm at work - is actually very crucial to the job itself.

My reaction to the truth of this statement:

there is literally nothing "important" or "urgent" or even "complicated" about my job

is to simply remind myself at the beginning of every workday that there is nothing important about the job, and that I am only selling my labor and intelligence because we live in a rotten society. it doesn't make me feel better, but it has freed me from feeling like a single ounce of my self-worth is tied to my day job.

like "you missed a typo when editing the 9000th iteration of this obscure drug's objection handler"

i do not give a fuck, my supervisor.

i have been in the workforce for 10 years after getting my graduate degree and i keep getting handed these childish, god-awful managers who want to have their egos stroked, hands held, feelings coddled, and then to be able to treat everyone who works for them like subjects in some kind of fucked up royal court. fuck all of them!

This part of map's post hits extremely hard.

people who a) chime in late to a teams chat thread and b) respond to the last thing said without getting further context and just sound like wackos. truly the doddering aunts/uncles of the office

My reaction to the truth of this statement:

there is literally nothing "important" or "urgent" or even "complicated" about my job

is to simply remind myself at the beginning of every workday that there is nothing important about the job, and that I am only selling my labor and intelligence because we live in a rotten society. it doesn't make me feel better, but it has freed me from feeling like a single ounce of my self-worth is tied to my day job.

Have just gotten hired for a part-time gig that is gonna manifest in exactly this way, I just know it. I'm gonna literally be one link in a chain of people who have to approve marketing copy; I won't even have to make the changes myself, just...suggest them to the creative team (and cc my boss, presumably). It is a pure money gig. I'm already imagining what I'm gonna spend the money on (putting out records).

It's kind of liberating— it's the other work I do (running writing workshops, teaching kids about poetry, editing manuscripts, writing for magazines etc) that I actually care about and agonize over. I just decided a few years ago that I'm not going to agonize over something that gives me no pleasure anyway— if the checks are being cut for the work I'm doing, then that's all that matters.

there is literally nothing "important" or "urgent" or even "complicated" about my job

on a deep level this is true about my work as well, but this rotten society has made certain things complicated, urgent, and important, and I have chosen to help people navigate these things or do these things for people, even though it mostly boils down to checking the right boxes and filling out forms in ways that will keep them out of trouble as well as saving them money they don't have.

true of most work,

but inside the context of the current world economy some things become significant because of how they operate within said economy.

In my profession, I sometimes make jobs for people. (As in, like, they previously didn't have one and now they do. Or they had a job and now they might have a slightly better one? I dunno.)

Of course I would rather they did not have to have jobs, of course. And I would rather those jobs not be soul-sucking clusterfuck meaningless office jobs.

But, until utopian fully automated space communism exists, people mostly have to have jobs, to like, live in buildings and eat food and wear clothing. Hence, what I do feels... at least a little bit helpful? Maybe?

Or maybe I'm just moving people from one terrible choice to a slightly less terrible choice. I don't know. But I don't think my purpose is to burn the system down, merely to function compassionately and thoughtfully within it. Because I also need to live, eat, feed my family. Which likes to eat food and wear clothing and live in a building.

Or maybe I'm just moving people from one terrible choice to a slightly less terrible choice. I don't know. But I don't think my purpose is to burn the system down, merely to function compassionately and thoughtfully within it. Because I also need to live, eat, feed my family. Which likes to eat food and wear clothing and live in a building.

true, some of my work involves improving the conditions of buildings where people live, or making it so people can live in buildings they can afford, so they can both live in a building and eat food ... or something like that.

xp yes it's helpful.

map and table otm

I think it's great that people here have interesting and meaningful jobs, but my outlook is that less purposeful make work jobs are good as well, and that shouldn't be stigmatized.

I had no intention of stigmatizing anyone for having dumb jobs tbh -- I feel like map and tables, two ilxors have much <3 for, have good reasoning and healthy attitudes towards theirs.

I absolutely do not think you were, just meant that as a general comment on this attitude, particularly in the US

Moodles - totally! Just doing your thing at work and leaving it there (so your real - and presumably meaningful - life exists elsewhere) is totally cool and should not be stigmatized. Full agreement.

My job looks important, but pretty much all I do is drive mentally disabled people places and watch them do stuff.

Which likes to eat food and wear clothing and live in a building.

which is on fire

too soon

lol eephus and sarahell, great sequence

there's a learner in one of the classes I'm supervising whose father is dying, and doesn't have long left.

she's missed a little time to go to the hospital here and there and wanted to know if she could dial in from the hospital to listen on those days (since she has a desktop, which she can't bring with her).

her manager kind of callously just says "no, not unless you have a tech issue", and she was rightfully upset that he was insensitive, so he came to one of our teachers, and I offered to escalate for her. tried to see if a) could we move her to a class that starts later so that she can spend the time with her father now, and still know she has a job waiting for her, or if b) on a limited basis we might be able to let her dial in from hospital, and work with her to keep her caught up (which the teacher offered to do).

instead, they're basically non-committal saying "no, she can't do that, and we may have to remove her from this assignment and reassign at a later date", instead of actually earmarking her for a specific class. worst, they loop in the team lead in question and he butthurtedly states he was disappointed to see this was escalated above him.

well maybe don't act like a dick to someone whose father is dying next time. I know there are rules and parameters but maybe you could have offered to look into some alternatives or at least been less David Spade-y about it.

*she came

I will admit, before I was on my anxiety meds, and when I was younger and more naive, I was pretty callous to a lot of people as a manager back around 2006. it took getting called on it many times to actually cause me to change my behavior (so maybe this guy needs to be called on it too)

there's "pretty callous" and there's "making desperate people choose whether to spend time with their dying father and risk losing a job" - this is horrifying.

yeah, and quite honestly, it's a bit horseshit because we already have people miss ENTIRE DAYS due to:

-catching COVID
-going to a funeral of someone who died from COVID (or something else)
-not having equipment shipped to them on time
-just literally not showing up and asking the next day "lol can u stay late and catch me up"

her boss said he "had to adhere to the attendance policy". this is a third party who regularly doesn't give a fuck when their employees miss one or two full days of class for reasons that are legit bullshit. NOW we're going to put a line in the sand?

If she gets reassigned to another class quickly, at least she still has a job but usually they tell us what class they're moving the person to, not merely mentioning it as a possibility.

all this is probably why I never cut it as a higher level manager, because I couldn't take the toxicity those assholes spewed.

Find out if the people with ‘acceptable’ but bullshit absences are all or predominantly men, and if so, your colleague has been discriminating against the female learner.

I know it's not going to change anything and I'm not going to get the job but you're very much mistaken if you think I'm not coming after you for lying, you deceitful HR fuck.

So uh maybe if you wanted to do literal construction in each of our cubes you maybe should have had us work from home instead of coming all the way in to find out our workspaces were going to be inaccessible for much of the day?

today my boss's boss said this of a partner manager who is extremely over the top and teaches her reports extremely incorrect things: "We appreciate you, but you're hurting us".

I want that as a bumper sticker

xp - that is fucked up and totally not common practice for any construction work I'm familiar with (and I am familiar with a bit). I mean, on the construction crew side, I'm sure they would have preferred y'all were not needing access to your space and that they could just do the work they've been contracted to do without the awkward interactions and accommodations.

update to Frank Mills from the Hair sequel

lol sic

xpost - it's just a shitshow of communication. they are lowering some of the built-in workstations in our cubes that were installed at the wrong height years ago. my boss told us they'd start early morning today and be done with all five of them by mid-morning, so we should come in late. well, no. they are still on the first one and it's been a mess but fortunately he wised up and sent us all to work from home.

yr boss sucks at managing construction as well as communication

manager today asked my boss's boss (again) why the training said 9 am - 12 pm, as she thought it was a morning training.

I'm going to hope she doesn't actually think 12 pm means midnight buuuuut.....

are 15 hour training days normal?

definitely not!

the one with Denzel was 2 hours

Lolz

yes, it's a good idea to plan a virtual surprise birthday party for the head of our division at 7:30 am their time, and when they're not online at that time (like usual), to text that person and try to call them telling them their boss is looking for them.

because the heart attack they have is going to be worth the momentary 2 seconds of excitement when we shout "happy birthday".

so we're rolling out new software and my team is leading the training on it, and we got told that some of the teams we trained created their own custom Powerpoints to go over topics people were struggling with, and that it included things that weren't covered in the Training page. We got asked to look at the custom Powerpoints to see if perhaps they had a lot of content we were missing and we needed to improve our training materials.

All but two of the Powerpoints were stolen directly from our training modules, right down to the screenshots. they literally just copied them. and unlike the training module, which will be automatically updated periodically as new version releases go out, these Powerpoints will have to be manually updated every time.

some people must really love Powerpoint because how fucking pointless, lol

people love filling up their time with manual tasks because it makes them look busy.

I have a coworker who has to track status updates on about 140 accounts each week. He goes into a tool and looks each one up and takes notes on ones that have had updates. He spends many hours each week chasing down these updates. I created a process to dump all status updates into a small spreadsheet, it takes less than 15 minutes to refresh automatically, and it turns out that there are maybe 10 updates per week. But he still wants to go into the tool and look up every last one, just in case, so we don't get blindsided, you know.

nothing made me more proud when like ten years ago, we had a pompous department head who was full of attitude and bluster, but not good at leadership, and he lead this initiative to remove "waste", work that didn't add value. but paradoxically, he and the other managers scheduled more pointless meetings than anybody I knew.

so one day he was rattling on about waste and a friend of mine just blurted out directly "this entire meeting is WASTE", getting shocked silence from everybody else.

(the whole Muda thing: https://www.process.st/muda/)

Howdy new co-worker, I understand you are new and our processes are a little different than what you might be used to doing. I get it, I was there once too. But, uh, you have now thrice rebuffed my offers to walk you through things and show you how to access the files you need. Yet you still insist on tagging me onto pre-existing email chains with various consultants and asking directing me to do them for you. Please don't do that, you not being willing to learn the ropes does not make it my problem to bail you out. And when I do decide to help you, because it is in the best interest of our department, it might not kill you to toss me a simple "thanks".

"beginning in a few weeks, you won't be able to enter the password in anymore, even in the training environment. it's not live yet, but it's coming."

"actually, I'm seeing that it's already been deactivated - I can't enter it anymore. do we need to quickly update our materials, some of which still involve using this feature, or was this done in error?"

"Once this goes into effect, we'll update materials, don't worry."

"I'm literally telling you IT'S ALREADY BEEN PUSHED OUT. as in, I can't do the thing that I could do two days ago. should this be out there early, or do we need to update our materials??!!"

our class schedules are always static, and for this one particular class in Canada, 7.5 hours plus lunch (so 9 am - 5 pm ET). someone who was editing the class agenda made a booboo and deleted a topic by mistake, so the agenda showed class ending an hour earlier by mistake. it was a fairly obvious mistake, as you can see a blank where there used to be a topic, and the teacher knew our schedule was 9 am - 5 pm throughout training, so rather than ask someone in charge about it, they just incorrectly assumed class was ending early that day and dismissed everybody an hour early.

so basically they all get one hour less of pay now (though I'm lobbying my boss to look into it with someone higher up to pay them for what was clearly not their fault).

fucker really basically needed to use a car analogy for every business decision. go fuck yrsen