Is the US a dystopia?

Climate catastrophe is going to be pretty universal IIRC.

which is v little to do with the point about 1492 is it

you can get with dystopia, or you can get with datopia

just throwing this out there but maybe dystopia fans are blind to dystopias

I dunno I think most fans of the crust punk band Dystopia probably would agree that the USA is a dystopia fwiw

let me see, is the US a dystopia.

the republican party is trying to actively KILL a lot of people. let me just see how that plays in the polls

The approval rating among those who voted for [Biden] has dropped from 80% to 69% in the April survey. There have been notable declines among Americans 18-34 and suburban residents, both of whom, in dramatic swings, now register net negative views on the president.

As bad as Biden’s number may be, the polling data for Democrats in Congress is far worse.

Republicans now sport a historic 10-point advantage when Americans are asked which party they prefer to control Congress, holding a 44%-34% margin over Democrats. That’s up from a 2-point Republican advantage in the October survey.

In the past 20 years, CNBC and NBC surveys have never registered a double-digit Republican advantage on congressional preference, with the largest lead ever being 4 pints for the GOP.

“If the election were tomorrow, it would be an absolute unmitigated disaster for the Democrats,″ said Jay Campbell, partner at Hart Research Associates and the Democratic pollster for the survey.

yes it's a full blown dystopia

nah but rich people have never had it better tho

A 4 pint lead is difficult to overcome tbh. sorry

Can the apocalypse be local?

Americans rly struggle with not being the world and i think its quite telling tbh

― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, December 10, 2021 8:10 PM (one hour ago)

I was addressing "the apocalypse" that it could be argued helps to confirm the US as a dystopia, the subject of this important poll. So I guess I do think it can be local, idk, why not? Anyway Columbus never even entered future-US territory, it's more of a symbolic hinge year for everything being terrible from then on

I'd figure most people using the term think in the sense of dystopian science fiction and I kinda think 2021 has quite a few elements that seem like out of such.

There's no utopia that's not someone's dystopia, and vice versa.

The notion of local dystopias is an interesting one. Could be that there was an egalitarian paradise unfolding just a continent or two over from Mad Max.

If the US ticks all the boxes- and there's a case- then clearly plenty of very nice places to live in exist besides so id say thats a clear yes

Have we ever not been? Slave state — apartheid state — Vietnam/Watergate — Corporate state — Fury Road (2016-present)

the people in the mayfield candle factory that collapsed worked 12-hour shifts that paid $8 an hour. 110 ppl were inside. 40 ppl are still unaccounted for. they haven’t recovered a survivor since 3 am. pic.twitter.com/CsIIfLw3Pc

— Tracy Moore (@iusedtobepoor) December 11, 2021

it’s legal in kentucky to fire someone for refusing to work mandatory overtime

— Tracy Moore (@iusedtobepoor) December 11, 2021

The notion of local dystopias is an interesting one. Could be that there was an egalitarian paradise unfolding just a continent or two over from Mad Max.

Zardoz is another one. Although The Eternals are mainly a bunch of insufferable bores and their egalitarian paradise is pretty lame, but you wouldn't complain about it if you were being held captive by Charlotte Rampling.

Slave state — apartheid state — Vietnam/Watergate — Corporate state — Fury Road (2016-present)

We didn't start the fire, etc.

Let's see what all we have...you got this one.

US combined laissez-faire capitalism on it's drug industry and combined with heroin blow-back from the 'war on terror' created the opioid epidemic for fun and profit killing over a million Americans since 1999.

Getting back to the topic at hand, Le Guin wrote a book about a moon. Also was there some Cold War global political framework in her gender-bender book? I don't recall.

Climate catastrophe is going to be pretty universal IIRC.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, December 11, 2021 1:14 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

which is v little to do with the point about 1492 is it

― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Saturday, December 11, 2021 1:17 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

It is though (unless I'm misreading). The USA is the biggest historical contributor to the climate crisis. An argument could be made that if 1492 never happened, there would be no global crisis. Same for much of global environmental destruction -- Amazon forest all gone? Thank Ronald McDonald.

Local teachers in South Dakota “Dash for Cash” to help their classrooms by fighting over $5,000 in $1 bills while the crowd hoots and hollers. pic.twitter.com/azwGJKhaKU

— Eoin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) December 12, 2021

they're going to remove that rug at some point

and then charge them for it!

An argument could be made that if 1492 never happened, there would be no global crisis.

Are we talking a world where Europe never came into contact with the Americas?

I can’t live without potatoes

-LL McCooljay

It would have happened eventually.

I can’t live without potatoes

OTM

Lol, Neanderthal.

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— Sam Biddle (@samfbiddle) December 13, 2021

It would have happened eventually.

Right but I'm saying the timeline where America turns the Earth into a toilet wasn't necessarily predetermined.

Maybe ecocide is the dharma of the human race idk.

this is all god's fault. god put the oil in the ground, fully formed, 8000 years ago

it was all predetermined

idk these guys predicted it pretty early

https://i.ibb.co/f4P96K0/index.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/cFmrLPX/index.jpg

Yeah I never loved the band but those album titles stuck with me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CczFit6tGhs

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kentucky-tornado-factory-workers-threatened-firing-left-tornado-employ-rcna8581

personally idgi. fresh produce in american supermarkets is quite bad and expensive, every major city in the world has decent markets, etc. i guess it's better if it's brightly lit and you can listen to an instrumental soft jazz version of after the gold rush? https://t.co/g3b5LOgBcD

— joolsd (@joolsd) December 14, 2021

which Publix plays that?!? I'm happy if I get early '80 Boz Scaggs.

I regret starting a thread that functions as an invitation to post the most depressing news you can find, but more narrowly the degree to which the US seems to be embracing core elements of the most prominent fictional dystopias is pretty striking! Sadly not cyberpunk this time:

https://pen.org/scope-speed-educational-gag-orders-worsening-across-country/

And it’s getting worse. In the month since the report’s release, state lawmakers introduced 12 new bills, bringing the total to a staggering 66 educational gag orders for the year in 26 states, 12 of which have passed into law.

Here’s what’s happening:

The recent group of bills includes seven in Missouri and one each in New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oklahoma, and South Carolina.
All 12 of these bills target K–12 schools, four include provisions that would impact colleges and universities, and four include a focus on state agencies, other state-funded institutions, and “places of learning.”
Six of these bills specifically ban “critical race theory,” making a total of 20 state-level bills introduced this year with such explicit prohibitions.
Six of these bills contain explicit prohibitions against teaching or using curricular materials from “The 1619 Project,” bringing the total of these to 17 for the year.

xxp I remember back in the 80s, we hosted some soviet kids. When we took them to the supermarket, they lost their shit.

I think the original tweet is referencing that, not that Safeway is better than a local French produce market.

we do have abundant food (not everywhere, of course) of mostly mediocre quality. it's ok.

the critical race theory mess is one of the factors in favor of dystopia

to me

xxp I remember back in the 80s, we hosted some soviet kids. When we took them to the supermarket, they lost their shit.

I think the original tweet is referencing that, not that Safeway is better than a local French produce market.

So was communism.

I guess that’s the kind of joke that lands better with boomers.

And that's the kind of joke that lands better with people from 2017.

jesus, and i cannot stress this enough, fucking christ. what a hellhole this country is.

Within three years, when applying for the exemption to work in case management, her dream job is when Hoffman found out that she — like thousands of others — still owes the state $50 a day for the seven years of her original sentence: $127,750.

not to detract from that evil shit but how about this evil shit

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/04/23/tennessee-bill-concealed-handguns-schools-teachers-staff/73431609007/

Armed teachers, who will be required to undergo training that some opponents have argued is not intensive enough, will be allowed to carry handguns in their classrooms and most campus situations without informing parents and most of their colleagues that they're armed.

and just staying on tennessee for a minute

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tennessee-would-criminalize-helping-minors-get-abortions-under-bill-heading-to-governor/ar-AA1nBqUR

Tennessee is poised to become the second state in the nation to make it illegal for adults to help minors get an abortion without parental consent, a proposal that is likely to face immediate legal challenges should Gov. Bill Lee sign it into law.

Passing those two bills back to back took special gall because the abortion one was sold as a "parental rights" bill — saving parents from having other people take their minor children to have abortions — but the armed-teachers one includes a whole section on confidentiality ensuring that parents have no way to find out which school employees are packing heat or even which schools have armed employees. And they had to clear a whole gallery of enraged moms chanting "BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS" just so the House could vote. "Parental rights" is a fungible concept.

I believe the Tennessee state legislature is actually really fucking deranged. Like literally. They are completely off the reservation.

I used to be like well, at least we’re not Alabama and Mississippi. But now we are

next you know they'll be deporting people to rwanda

Most teachers I wouldn’t worry about them having guns aside from incompetence but there were a couple who strike me as potential problems on their own. The Vietnam vet who trapped a wasp and then proceeded to cut it up on his desk…

I used to be like well, at least we’re not Alabama and Mississippi. But now we are

I know, and a lot of Tennesseans have a hard time believing it. I have to keep telling people that we're the actual literal worst state for a lot of this neo-confederate hateful shit, and close to the worst for the rest of it. There's still a tendency to think we're "normal" or something, we are really extreme. Bill Lee is the worst, the Legislature's terrible, and all of these people are so so so dumb.

oh yay, on to the next school shooting, when by the time they realize what's happening, panicked armed teachers will successfully take down a window, a wall, and a desk, while people still die all around them as before.

next you know they'll be deporting people to rwanda

― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 April 2024 bookmarkflaglink

That's right

Most teachers I wouldn’t worry about them having guns aside from incompetence

See why anyone on this boards listens to you on any topic after saying shit like this is 100% a mystery to me

Do you think those last three words mean I believe the idea is just grand? Incompetent people with guns - generally not good, I think most would agree.

The point was that some teachers are psychos and it won’t surprise me when one shoots a student for misbehaving down the road.

Which is not, as of yet, a problem since the psycho football coach being forced to teach geography has to make the conscious decision to break multiple laws by bringing his Glock to school on a regular basis. Not just removing those decisions but encouraging him to do so will inevitably result in new tragedies.

Much more worried about competence with guns.

i look at where i live and i see a sort of "laissez-faire" dystopia, where people do all kinds of fucked up shit and nobody does anything about it because what are you gonna do? talk to the cops about it?

alabama, tennessee, are they like that too? i don't really _know_ what the rest of the country is like these days. i don't know what "normal" is supposed to be.

stochastic incompetence doesn’t count the same

ahhhh, i don't feel that way. _334_ is a perfectly good dystopia if you ask me. for that matter stochastic incompetence is _part and parcel_ of any true dystopia, the way that incompetence is weaponized against marginalized people without even _needing_ any overt exterminatory action to be taken. that's what makes something a dystopia, when something is enshrined as an institutional norm.

Milo and I often don't see eye to eye but even I know what he meant

(my own 'stochoastic incompetence' comment was pure, unfunny in too too many ways, dark wise assery, sorry all).

no worries, that's one of those instances where the 'tism flared up and i literally didn't recognize the layer of sarcasm lol

Zeno of Elea: "bye, Hon, I'm just running out to the stoa for a few things."

Zeno's wife: "careful, bro - you'll never get there if your plan is to repeatedly travel half the remaining distance."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/25/flint-michigan-water-crisis

Years after the emergency, the Michigan city is yet to replace all lead pipes and affected families are still awaiting justice

replace this whole thread with one of the pictures of SWAT snipers setting up at campus Gaza protests

otm. I'm trying not to spam the board with stuff about the protests, but it sure feels like a police state this morning

It's simple. pic.twitter.com/M6pHdOA4YU

— President Biden (@POTUS) May 1, 2024

I no longer have a Twitter account but that seems destined to become the most-ratioed tweet since Elmo's

I used that exact four-word phrase the other week in a discussion of assisted suicide (I'm very pro-, and think depression is just as valid reason as, say, ALS to pull the plug on oneself). Wonder if President Joe shares my feelings.

quick, it's international workers' day and the cops are busy tear-gassing students protesting genocide, now's the perfect time to overthrow capitalism

going to a rally in a bit, will bump thread later if capitalism overthrown