2021 awards thread

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I was wondering if Fergie Jenkins would have won 11 or 12 of those Tip O'Neills in a row--from '67 to '79, possibly--but he definitely would have lost to John Hiller in '73; Fergie was atypically mediocre, and Hiller had one of the greatest relief seasons ever (7.9 bWAR). Jenkins had other so-so years near the end of that run, but I don't know if there was anyone else around to beat him. Terry Puhl might have won in '79.

clemenza, Thursday, 9 December 2021 03:55 (two years ago) link

Rob Butler won in 1993 -- with a 97 OPS+ in 56 PA with the Blue Jays? Slow year.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 9 December 2021 11:34 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

I know it's early, and there are five or six strong candidates right now, but guy on this FB group posted an interesting question:

Yankees & Angels make the postseason - Aaron Judge breaks Maris' AL HR record of 61 - Shohei Ohtani hits 35/40 HR, 100 RBI - and pitching wins 13 or so games with about a 3.00 ERA - Who wins the AL MVP award??

Put the post-season bit aside...the rest sounds plausible. They'd probably also be within a game or so in WAR (Judge leads by a half-game right now).

Guessing Judge, handily, because a) Trout would take many votes from Ohtani; b) the historical novelty of Ohtani would have subsided somewhat; and c) maybe there's a feeling they still owe Judge one from 2017.

clemenza, Saturday, 25 June 2022 15:34 (one year ago) link

i don't want to alarm you, clem, but ohtani is about even with judge in fWAR and has blown past him in bWAR

also i'm not sure the historical novelty of a legit cy young candidate hitting 30 homers and driving in 100 runs is going to subside very soon

(he's not likely to *win* the cy because he probably won't pitch enough innings -- right now he's not even qualified -- but at the moment he's top-four in the AL in both pitcher WARs anyway)

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:13 (one year ago) link

He's really coming on, I know. I'd still put my money on Judge, though--as we know, just in general MVP voters like the novelty of voting for someone different, and Judge may have a team that wins 110 games on his side.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 July 2022 19:01 (one year ago) link

Another oddity that I think will benefit Judge. The Yankees are where they are primarily because of across-the-board starting-pitching depth: all five guys are having good seasons, thought I doubt any one stands out enough to garner MVP support (maybe Cortes). Offensively, Judge dominates the lineup--I can't see another everyday player right now who would take votes away from him. Depending how the rest of the year goes, he could very well be the highest Yankee listed on every single ballot, which if they win 105-110 games, would probably mostly mean firsts with a few seconds mixed in.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 July 2022 19:58 (one year ago) link


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