yes plz
― chaos goblin line cook (sleeve), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:14 (two years ago) link
this sounds like something that would be absolute torture to listen to
― chaos goblin line cook (sleeve), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link
relieved to see others were bothered by the tone and i'm not nuts, had to turn it off almost immediately, really disappointing. i'm also interested in the maresn3st edit
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:20 (two years ago) link
never noticed that about mi media
yeah, it starts suddenly at about 55 seconds into the first track ("S")
and about 3 minutes into the third track "WR". i don't remember which one on the back half of the album, but i remember playing side B of the record and thinking "goddamn it AGAIN?!" so i know it's somewhere on that side too
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:20 (two years ago) link
co-sign on maresn3st edit
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:21 (two years ago) link
Pop me an email at n@k@ginc@psuleto✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ (w/out google-proofing)
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:25 (two years ago) link
Oh bum, that didn't go well apologies, n a k a g i n c a p s u l e t o w e r @ g m a i l . c o m
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link
Have only listened to this on shitty speakers and and didn't notice the tone at all. Am I very aware of the high-pitched frequency on the Labradford album though and never found it offensive so perhaps I'll be OK.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link
Side issue but I am terrified of the implications of hearing vs not hearing certain sounds and frequencies. I remember being with my old man around Christmas time and pointing out the piped silver of a robin singing and being distraught that he simply couldn't pick it up. He shrugged it off so I guess there is that.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:30 (two years ago) link
Yeah bill oddie has talked about his sadness at not being able to hear the calls of certain birds any longer. The GAS bleep did make me think of the alarm calls that blackbirds make in the hedgerows round here as night comes in
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link
I can't hear the offending tone am I losing it
― Qamon (||||||||), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:51 (two years ago) link
I am become bill oddie
― Qamon (||||||||), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:52 (two years ago) link
As someone with tinnitus and some hearing loss in my right ear - you get used to it, the alternative is a deep dark depression, staring mortality and fragility in the face directly, and its resulting, unrelenting anxiety. Basically stopped going to concerts and listening or writing music for a year when it first became "permanent". Copium is a pretty powerful drug and one that probably saved my life.
That said, that high pitch ringing (which I can clearly hear) is dreadful and I can't listen to this new one.
― octobeard, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:57 (two years ago) link
I have tinnitus / hearing loss and cannot hear the high-pitched tones on this album at all.
― beard papa, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:00 (two years ago) link
I first listened on shitty laptop speakers and did t notice it. I’m afraid now that you all have pointed it out that when I give it a proper listen I’m primed to hear only that. Kind of like I can’t not hear “smoke pot smoke pot everybody smoke pot” in I Am The Walrus ever since a fundamentalist preacher told my school class to listen for it nearly 40 years ago.
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:03 (two years ago) link
yeah, those of you who can't hear it, or who it doesn't bother - i kind of want that! i feel a little worried that it DOES bother me, given my many years playing drums in small concrete rooms
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link
xp coolest fundamentalist preacher ever!
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link
I still feel like you don't need anything past the first four albums.
― StanM, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
I think the frequency of the beeps is drowned out by the constant one I hear all the time, so it's not that I don't hear the high-pitched beep, it's that mine is louder.
― beard papa, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
"listen up kids -- watch out! after church there's this guy i know who will try to give you drugs. he'll tell you that if you take them you'll probably never come back to church ever again, because you'll see the world in a different way from then on! so many people have done this before, and it's right outside out these doors! goodbye children!"
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link
Bill Oddie being invoked on a GAS thread is either the greatest moment in mankind's history or the sign of the approaching singularity and I'm going to walk stark bollock naked into the woods now bye.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link
i have slight tinnitus, so there is a chance i would not notice this quirk, but the main question for me is : given i have 6 GAS cds (4 cd boxset from a few years back, and subsequent 2 albums), do i actually need more?
― mark e, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:20 (two years ago) link
I'm so interested in what Voigt's process is. I'd love to watch him assemble a GAS track from start to finish. I can't imagine I'll be listening to this many more times, though. The insistent marching beat is annoying and unsettling, even without the high pitched beep that I can't hear.
― beard papa, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link
The beep totally ruins it for me. I can hear it on my computer speakers and I'm afraid that if I play it loud on the big ones it'll make my ears ring for a few hours. That noise was on Rausch too, but it was quieter. and only when the kick drum is going.
I am guessing this wasn't intentional? It is probably just the same plugin he used on the last album, and since he has tinnitus I think he just can't hear it. I've noticed this sort of thing on a number of older artists' work, high pitched noises just appearing in the mix which clearly aren't supposed to be there. It makes me wonder if they have any (younger) people listen to these final mixes before putting them out there.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:55 (two years ago) link
Fundamentalist do make sinning sound attractive. See the kids who get way into acting out the bad stuff in Hell Houses, etc.
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 20:07 (two years ago) link
It makes me wonder if they have any (younger) people listen to these final mixes before putting them out there.
i did wonder about this scenario too, totally speculative. but the emperor has no clothes thing where no one can tell him because it's assumed he wants it?
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
it's funny that nobody complains about the kick drum. I kinda like the beep myself. but I listen to a lot of EAI.
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Thursday, 9 December 2021 00:47 (two years ago) link
another example is "Appleshine" by Underworld which has this piercing hi-hat run through most of the song. thankfully when it was actually released in physical form they adjusted the levels so it wasn't so distracting. but yeah this definitely seems to be an issue among older electronic guys
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 December 2021 01:14 (two years ago) link
I was able to successfully EQ the ringing tones out; found some choice details in another forum and checked the spectral. There's actually TWO tones, a 2nd at nearly 16k that I can't hear. But here's some EQ settings to remove them, applied it and it works! Album is completely enjoyable now for me.
Band 1:Type: BellFreq: 10480hzGain: -30dBQ: 40Slope: 96 dB/oct
Band 2:Type: BellFreq: 15725hzGain: -25dBQ: 40Slope: 96 dB/oct
― octobeard, Thursday, 9 December 2021 03:33 (two years ago) link
Hm, listening to this on my ok (albeit old) speakers and can’t hear anything that bugs me. Listened to some high frequency tones and my hearing seems to top out at 16khz but everything below that was audible. This is on a Spotify stream. Ah well I guess I get to enjoy a Gas album.
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Thursday, 9 December 2021 21:20 (two years ago) link
it's the first and third beat of every measure, and it's the same tone each time. very interesting what's audible and what isn't!my dog fucking hates the album
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 December 2021 21:26 (two years ago) link
you must hate your dog if you named it fucking
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Thursday, 9 December 2021 21:28 (two years ago) link
yea I'd buy that some speakers either can't hit that frequency or do so at a level that's difficult to hear
as mentioned I can think of a number of recordings by 50+ electronic musicians that have (almost certainly inadvertent) high-pitched noises which are impossible to ignore on the car stereo but nearly inaudible on my home speakers, despite the home speakers being much better
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 December 2021 21:36 (two years ago) link
you misunderstood me Nick! it's that i'm fucking the dog, and the act of that "hates" the album, in a way!
i hear it very loudly using headphones, on my MBP speakers, and stereo speakers
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 December 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link
Oh wow I just listened to it on my phone and it is unmistakably there and super-annoying. So it’s something to do with my home system (which is vastly better than an IPhone 7!)
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Thursday, 9 December 2021 22:00 (two years ago) link
weird! yeah i guess it would be pretty device-dependent. maybe iphone 7 has some sort of equalizer you're using, or the speakers have lower frequencies? beats me. but yeah, once you hear it, it's like someone saying "carwash. carwash. carwash. carwash." for an hour straight
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 December 2021 22:02 (two years ago) link
Yeah totally, it’s impossible to ignore on the phone speaker.
My streaming stuff goes on a complicated little journey from a Raspberry PI to an old Squeezebox to a Cambridge Audio DAC - and the latter has some sort of switchable filter setting that I’ve never fiddled with but I suspect it has stripped out the offending frequency.
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Thursday, 9 December 2021 22:13 (two years ago) link
I’m listening to the CD on an Onkyo with my Sennheiser headphones plugged directly in to the player and I don’t hear it…
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 9 December 2021 23:02 (two years ago) link
i should have said, i've been listening to the Spotify version the whole time. not sure if format makes a difference or not
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 December 2021 23:17 (two years ago) link
Would be kind of funny if he added the frequency and the fade/sudden starts only to the streaming versions.
I've tried this on several devices and speakers and I still can't hear it. I don't know if it's because I'm focusing hard on the higher frequencies or if the beeps are triggering it, but it seems to exacerbate my tinnitus every time I listen to it.
― beard papa, Friday, 10 December 2021 00:04 (two years ago) link
I put the first track into Audacity and looked at the spectral pitch display. Both the c. 10khz and c. 16khz beeps are clearly visible - little dotted lines. I tried using the EQ to turn down the 10khz as low as it would go, but this also stripped out some other sounds like the higher-frequency crackles. Then I tried using the marquee tool to select and delete the dotted line at 10khz, and that worked much better. I guess my hearing isn't good enough to hear the 16khz beeps - I don't notice them at all.
Then I started thinking that if I have to actively edit an album in order to enjoy it, maybe I should just say I don't enjoy the album and listen to something else. But it was kind of a fun exercise to excise that persistent beep.
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Saturday, 11 December 2021 05:10 (two years ago) link
Not Audacity, Audition.
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Saturday, 11 December 2021 05:11 (two years ago) link
the beep doesn't become audible until about 3 minutes into the first track. but then it's in all the others, from the very beginning, i think
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 December 2021 05:17 (two years ago) link
sorry, then it's in all the others, all the way to the end, i meant
Yes. In the first track you can start to see the dotted line at about 2:30.
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Saturday, 11 December 2021 05:25 (two years ago) link
screenshot, screenshot, screenshot!
sorry, i'm getting worked up here
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 December 2021 05:28 (two years ago) link
Track 1
https://i.imgur.com/bcjCIQm.jpg
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Saturday, 11 December 2021 06:45 (two years ago) link
the proof is in the pudding
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 December 2021 07:08 (two years ago) link
Track 7 (and end of 6, beginning of 8): a new, higher frequency beep appears, way up at 19khz. I can't hear it.
https://i.imgur.com/SHRsNSM.jpg
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Saturday, 11 December 2021 07:31 (two years ago) link
Thanks for the pics, Chinchilla! I can't hear the beeps but the pitched bom-bom march beat is driving me nuts (OK, what did I expect from an album called "the Long March", fine) so I think I'm out anyway.
Does the beep line up with the higher or the lower-pitched kick or neither?
Somewhat depressing not to hear it though. I remember probably 10-15 years ago a friend was saying that electronic artists should retire at 35 because they can't hear the treble well enough and their beats become insufficiently punchy. Which seemed a bit harsh at the time (& even aged <30 I couldn't hear the alleged problem), but now I'm in my 40s and still daydreaming of maybe putting out some little blurts of bleepy thumpy stuff on bandcamp one of these decades, only to realise that I'm missing at least half of the CD-quality spectrum...
― a passing spacecadet, Saturday, 11 December 2021 13:51 (two years ago) link