i am basically never playing anything with a name like 'knights of the old republic'
― thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
unless it is eg. a counterfactual about oliver cromwell
― thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
― born s1ocki (cankles), Monday, 20 July 2009 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
― thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
lamp i thought after the cathedral was where euler just got to? my memory of the game may be wonky.
yah sounds like it - but its the 1st major milestone i think? QUEST #1 COMPLETED and all that
item mgmt and use was probably the worst thing in odin sphere but i didnt really care about the tactical breakdown stuff i guess - i mean i see what your saying but theres enuff variety/challenge in the boss fights that it never bothered me is the boss fite your talking about velvet because i dont remember that tbh...
lol @ caring about the story in odin sphere tho who cares it looks pretty
― Lamp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
lolz my ?!r@+3D copy of this hit a snag at the very first teleport and now I'm having to start over again at the FUCKING FAIR
― PLEASE SIT TIGHT WHILE WE MAKE NEW ARRANGEMENTS (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 04:28 (eleven years ago) link
if only i could find a youtube link to a certain Big Star song, but i can't
― Nhex, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 04:55 (eleven years ago) link
Ha forks, exactly the same thing has happened to me, went into a teleport and the game hung. And I must've sat watching the screen swirl around for about 4 minutes before I realised it was broke.
I hadn't spent long in the fair though, just bought some armours then ploughed on through. Will try it again on the train to work this morning.
― JimD, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 06:44 (eleven years ago) link
I beat the cathedral; not sure it said anything like quest #1 completed, though. Toad (well, I called him Turd) walked out of the castle in shame for failing to protect the queen, and I guess I'll be going to get him back next since he was a badass in combat.
The balance between melee and magic is nice even at this early stage. Lucca isn't great with the airgun but her magic is booming. Often in RPGs I end up sitting on magic on much later in the game, when it becomes pretty much the only thing I use in combat.
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 06:49 (eleven years ago) link
I just played Chrono Trigger for over an hour
― #/.'#/'@ilikecats (g-kit), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 09:23 (eleven years ago) link
Okay, the problem with the .nds file is an acknowledged bit of copy protection and fixing it is gonna take some google-fu, time and experimentation. Anybody old hand enough at this to explain how you work patches?
― PLEASE SIT TIGHT WHILE WE MAKE NEW ARRANGEMENTS (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
you could just emulate the snes version, you know
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
Yep, I've just been looking into this too.
Haven't tried it yet, but I guess you unzip this, plonk your Chrono rom file in the same directory, run the batch then grab and rename the resulting "p4tc3ed.nds" file. I'll have a go in a bit and report back.
And yeah, if it doesn't work I'll switch to snesemu.
― JimD, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
haha yeah the cover copy is great/awful in how it recognises these priorities:
"Welcome to the lavishly illustrated world of Odin Sphere©!
Lands of snow, emerald forests, and chasms of fire beckon you. Follow the threads of an intricately woven story (blah blah) ... the kind of visual experience that every gamer dreams possible, but seldom plays."
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, wait, that's a jp patch. US patch here:
(Although I think my copy is euro, grr).
― JimD, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
i will be fucking with that shortly but BEE CAAAAAREFULBefore trying any p@tch3s or hacked r0mzz, i recommend backing up your entire card, by browsing to your cards drive, Ctrl + A or select all, and copying to a temp folder, if all is clear and everything works, then delete the folder.
― PLEASE SIT TIGHT WHILE WE MAKE NEW ARRANGEMENTS (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I actually do that pretty much every time I plug it into my pc anyway, just so I know my save games are safe.
― JimD, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
This game is fabulous. I don't know if we're, on this thread, supposed to pace things so that we can talk along, but I'm into this now and playing hard (for the 1.5 hrs a day I can get right now). And since this is my first time, I'm sure I can have wild-eyed talk if I do end up ahead.
I spent some time confused at first tonight, after I'd rescued the queen, as to what to do next. Toad/Turd had jumped across the bridge. But then I went to the right places eventually in my wanders and triggered the next events. I ended up back in the present, where I was framed for some bullshit. I busted out of jail, caught up with my babes again, and then as we were cornered by the chancellor and his guards, jumped into another gate. Now I'm way in the future, in a Fallout-like world of mutants and starvation. I helped the starving people find a seed, got some kickass armor and weapons, and located my next gate on the supercomputer. I'll up there again tomorrow.
I am loving the linearity of this, after playing non-linear RPGs for years (eh, mostly Oblivion, which took me a year lol). And I am leveling fast and getting new techs. This is really, really great.
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
Anybody happen to make the patch work?
― PLEASE SIT TIGHT WHILE WE MAKE NEW ARRANGEMENTS (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
No, but I found a pre-patched file. Email me.
― JimD, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 01:26 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty sure you can search for a patched version on any major torrent site. That's how I got GTA: CW to work.
― Armageddon Two: Armageddon (dyao), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
Emailed! Would love to start playing tonight, nudge nudge.
― PLEASE SIT TIGHT WHILE WE MAKE NEW ARRANGEMENTS (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 02:02 (eleven years ago) link
i swear I have played through the fair about six times in the past few days.
― PLEASE SIT TIGHT WHILE WE MAKE NEW ARRANGEMENTS (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 04:31 (eleven years ago) link
Ha forks, exactly the same thing has happened to me, went into a teleport and the game hung.
u guys should try going into the other teleporter imo
― (Σx)² (Lamp), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 05:52 (eleven years ago) link
I did! It's on now.
― PLEASE SIT TIGHT WHILE WE MAKE NEW ARRANGEMENTS (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 12:37 (eleven years ago) link
― WTFOICSBANSTFU (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
I have trolled thru that fair a bunch of fucking times, got a bit further than that into it. Maybe got to a future bit once if it's this game I'm thinking of. Still don't get the fanatical devotion this thing inspires. Anyway I'm obtaining a patched nds and maybe I'll join in with this for a bit.
― Juggalo Soldier (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
I made it through the future last night, got the robot guy and then ended up at the End of Time, where I learned magic, in addition to techs. I like the dual tiered spell system conceptually, though in terms of game play I guess it doesn't matter much since both draw off the same pool of "magic points".
I gotta admit that the future part dragged a little, b/c the colors were so drab in the domes and in the factory. It was hard to tell where I was going. The enemies weren't very compelling, robots and acid slimes and bugs. There was one difficult battle, the one with five or six of the most powerful robots.
But on the whole I'm still really enjoying this. I think the future part maybe obscured the main plot of the game...actually, I'm not sure I know what the main plot of the game is, yet...something about playing around with time. So I guess it's still early to evaluate the game's story.
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Thursday, 23 July 2009 05:52 (eleven years ago) link
That courtroom scene was fantastic, I loved the way they kept using flashbacks from my actual game to disprove the claims I was making. Proper "DOH!" moments.
I'm a bit stuck in the future now, one dungeon appears to be a dead end and the other has a kind of future car in it which doesn't do anything except trigger baddies. I was playing while very tired last night though, and kept dozing off, so I probably missed something obvious.
Not sure I like my core team that much, Chrono is becoming a bit of a tank while the two girls just seem to be fairly ineffective range fighters with weak magics. Liked the frog, hope he comes back.
What do people think of the battle system? I don't really feel like I've got a grip on it yet, tend to find I'm missing stuff happening on the top screen while I'm choosing options on the bottom screen. Also, I've got it set to "wait" mode but it still mostly carries on with or without my input. It's a weird mixture of turn based and real time, and I'm generally finding it a bit confusing.
― JimD, Thursday, 23 July 2009 07:54 (eleven years ago) link
Totally agree on the "wait" thing: I'd set it up that way, but if I wait, the enemy seems to attack anyway. I'm getting better at aligning combos which are great when you're taking on five or six enemies, or need a mass heal (as I did repeatedly in the harder battles).
Courtroom scene was boss: is it possible to avoid eating the old man's lunch initially?
The girls get a lot better as they level and pick up eq, which I guess is obvious. But really it's the eq; with some decent armor and better weapons, which are just around the corner for you Jim, they're really nice. I now have four people to choose from, but the new character seems like just another tank so I kept the girls instead; Marle is a healer, and despite the profusion of healing potions, my RPG tendency is to hoard healers and avoid potions as much as I can (b/c you don't know when you'll need a potion but have run out, whereas with a healer you usually can go a lot longer). I suspect not everyone plays this way, and I can't really rationally defend it better than I just did.
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Thursday, 23 July 2009 08:11 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah, I kept Lucca b/c she's a very nice blaster already, and I figure will get better yet. The robot (I called him Squack) is more a blaster tank, which I like as my main character but not as a second character; I tend to prefer to keep my characters pure, division of labor and all that.
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Thursday, 23 July 2009 08:13 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ me remembering this but for marle and lucca their dmg output is calculated so that it grows exponentially - theyre pretty crap @ the beginning but they own in the l8 game. the others growth rates are more balanced. also i think the two girls use a different, non-STR stat for the calculation which also starts low
the robot is probably the best non-chrono character iirc - dope all around fighter w/some healing some array and a decent elemental spread. and his techs are pretty cheap and his double/triple techs are all pretty good - so he works well with any party
― ₪_₪ (Lamp), Thursday, 23 July 2009 08:21 (eleven years ago) link
Do characters waiting at The End of Time level when your main team levels?
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Thursday, 23 July 2009 08:23 (eleven years ago) link
i dont think so - u need to level a pair or a trio together to unlock their techs anyway but im not sure tbh
yah - SPOILER - depending on how u behaved @ the fair u can be found innocent. u cant eat the oldster's food and theres some other stuff - i think u have to find a lost cat? basically if u act like a real bro then the court will find u innocent but if u were a jerk then ~heads roll~ its basically the same u still end up in jail and have to break out but i think u get some extra items if u were innocent
― ₪_₪ (Lamp), Thursday, 23 July 2009 08:30 (eleven years ago) link
- MORE SPOILERS -
oh also fwiw the courtroom scene and the jail break were total revelations to me as a little kid ~ i rented this game one wknd and played through to the future but never got to rent it again. i finally bought it and remembered the trial so i changed my pattern & also waited to be let out ~ tht it was so rad that the game had these divergent paths
― ₪_₪ (Lamp), Thursday, 23 July 2009 08:33 (eleven years ago) link
I was found innocent (yeah, I saved the cat) but still ended up in jail and sentenced to death by the cockface chancellor. So I figure the chancellor has a key role to play in the main story, usurper of power or something like that.
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Thursday, 23 July 2009 08:41 (eleven years ago) link
Well, the medieval baddie was disguised as their chancellor, wasn't he? So I'm guessing this is still the same monster in disguise, or something.
― JimD, Thursday, 23 July 2009 08:52 (eleven years ago) link
That's right! It could be a coincidence, but with so little to go on right now, that's a reasonable posit.
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Thursday, 23 July 2009 09:00 (eleven years ago) link
im playing this in "new game +" mode with lvl 50+ characters & all the items from the previous walkthrough. i managed to get all jury members to side with me during the trial for the first time, which didnt change a thing, gameplay-wise.
also the outdoor tune in the zeal kingdom, which is where im at now, is v pretty, possibly my favourite square games tune ever.
― orange (yeah thats right), Friday, 24 July 2009 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
I've played this a bit further. I've found the blade and hilt of the broken Masamune, and after a trip back to 100000000 BC or whatever, found the dreamstone evidently needed to refuse the sword. The parts with Ayla were pretty confusing---she seems to have the hots for Chrono, but does she also have the hots for Marle? The dialogue was confusing, as were the flashings of eyes at the wild dance party. One thing I don't like about old school RPGs is they don't all keep track of past dialogues for you, so if you missed a detail about what to do next, you can be totally adrift. Hopefully the guy at the End of Time can help you get back on track if you lose it? I've avoided walkthroughs so far and hope to continue to do so, but not if I end up spending an hour wandering trying to figure out how to trigger the next plot event. That's especially important in a game like this that does such a great job of making grinding unnecessary.
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Saturday, 25 July 2009 08:43 (eleven years ago) link
the music in this owns
― the shitbirdification of america's youth (cankles), Saturday, 25 July 2009 08:48 (eleven years ago) link
^absolutely, one of the best soundtracks
― Nhex, Saturday, 25 July 2009 10:34 (eleven years ago) link
btw that reminds me, for the guy who was like "Still don't get the fanatical devotion this thing inspires" earlier, i think u can pretty much sum it up w/"production values" - there's nothing mind-blowing about the game, i could tell it was treading well worn territory even when i was 10 years old, but it's just incredibly well executed on every level; art direction, design, music, writing, presentation, basically everything is polished to a sheen. plus it's got an abundance of ~*~*hEaRt & sOuL*~*~
― the shitbirdification of america's youth (cankles), Saturday, 25 July 2009 11:43 (eleven years ago) link
cankles is right about "production values" - this is maybe kinda sorta the first 32-bit RPG, apart from, you know, not being 32-bit
i have not been able to download this because my broadband stopped working. hrmph
― thomp, Saturday, 25 July 2009 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Yes on production values; and while I'm happy to play more RPGs like this after I finish it, I wonder when the next big leap in RPG construction will be. Oblivion sure wasn't it, with a basically linear quest that revolved around your character. I'd like to play an RPG where my character is just another character in a vast drama, where my decisions won't ultimately determine much about the fate of the kingdom/nation/planet/galaxy/whatever. I want there to be big events that happen independently of my character, and that I can take part in to a limited, human-scale extent, without being a leader or whatever. Like let me be a foot soldier in a massive army campaign, but make it an RPG: you could even work in character progression/leveling somehow if you were wedded to that. If I could get some venture capital I'd put together a team and try to build one of these, though my friends in the industry say the money's really only in MMORPGs nowadays.
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Saturday, 25 July 2009 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
holy shit he cut a mountain in half
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Saturday, 25 July 2009 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno, this isn't really capturing my imagination yet? I have barely started but it feels real static. I will soldier on.
― im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 26 July 2009 05:07 (eleven years ago) link
i beat kotor yesterday, so today i dusted off my snes (had to whip out the compressed air actually~ ::adjusts glasses::) so i could join u guys and found that i no longer have an ac adapter for that shit. and nintendo stopped selling replacement shit for the nes/snes like literally last year ;____;
― a narwhal done gored my sister nell (cankles), Sunday, 26 July 2009 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
also its probably not captureing ure imagination because ures is the imagination of a jaded 40 year old or w/e
― a narwhal done gored my sister nell (cankles), Sunday, 26 July 2009 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
nm, found the adapter!!!!! time to son some fools
― a narwhal done gored my sister nell (cankles), Sunday, 26 July 2009 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
Okay, I'm officially quitting this as I'm just not enjoying it. Glad I gave it a college try but it's just not quite doing it for me.
― im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:31 (ten years ago) link
did you ever finish this forks
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:53 (nine years ago) link
lol, i did not enjoy it! my secret shame. just lost interest and never got back into it.
― he he he what would i not eat? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:32 (nine years ago) link
this is such a great thread. i should be unemployed and play videogames again
― thomp, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:44 (nine years ago) link
its a good racket if you can get your foot in the door
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 21:01 (nine years ago) link
― Nhex, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 23:10 (nine years ago) link
hacked my SNES mini. Wasn't sure I'd be able to play another top-down RPG after Earthbound but here I am. I'm really gutted I didn't go in the Tent of Terror before zapping myself back 1000 years :-(
― Badgers (dog latin), Monday, 12 February 2018 10:40 (two years ago) link
I can't stop listening to this too: https://open.spotify.com/track/713XSUuab0bJX0AGFWUsxd <- one of the best bits of music in a 16 bit game I can think of. Wish there were more decent orchestrated versions of SNES game soundtracks on Spotify
― Badgers (dog latin), Monday, 12 February 2018 10:48 (two years ago) link
sometimes I wanna tell people about the feels I get off this game and then I realise I'm being a weirdo so I'm saying it here
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Sunday, 14 October 2018 01:58 (one year ago) link
― crüt, Sunday, 14 October 2018 02:08 (one year ago) link