"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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NV - that's a really nice thread, thanks.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 5 December 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link

The drugs announcement is more culture war stuff, isn't it. Or class war, to put it more accurately.

at least when Nixon was hiring Elvis to spearhead the first war on drugs they were both high as kites on *prescription* drugs, but a load of patently obvious cokeheads competing to get tough on illegal drug-users is something else

— Owen Hatherley (@owenhatherley) December 6, 2021

glumdalclitch, Monday, 6 December 2021 10:19 (two years ago) link

what a shit time to be young

calzino, Monday, 6 December 2021 10:22 (two years ago) link

Kieth is going to back this to the hilt, the piece of shit.

calzino, Monday, 6 December 2021 10:24 (two years ago) link

Absolutely agree with Monbiot's much-ballyhooed call for left unity, except with the caveat that Starmer and his cabinet can hardly be described as part of the left, and no left unity can truly contain them. The need for a breakaway party with a better name continues to build

imago, Monday, 6 December 2021 11:05 (two years ago) link

Monbiot is, in the fine words of Eamon Dunphy:

pic.twitter.com/fYPaIdAloV

— No Context Eamon Dunphy (@NoContextDunphy) November 2, 2019

mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 6 December 2021 11:17 (two years ago) link

Monbiot is a fucking dickhead melt who publicly backed the UKIP-lite candidate in 2020 rather than the one with the radical GND. So as a so called environmentalist he's a flop sellout and deserves to get dunked for it.

calzino, Monday, 6 December 2021 11:20 (two years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/0NAXbnXmFG

— No Context Eamon Dunphy (@NoContextDunphy) January 29, 2020



Dunphy every time he reads posts from LJ itt

mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 6 December 2021 11:23 (two years ago) link

lol!

calzino, Monday, 6 December 2021 11:23 (two years ago) link

Ouch.

When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Monday, 6 December 2021 11:42 (two years ago) link

Labour is also a fine name for a party. LJ's every word is dreck.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 December 2021 11:46 (two years ago) link

We literally had an example of a new party with tons of money and favourable press coverage crashing and burning pretty spectacularly a couple of years back. The barriers to entry for a new party are incredibly high and people have formed ideas of and have long associations with the established parties. Tl;dr do we need to keep having this incredibly basic and stupid discussion time and time again?

mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 6 December 2021 12:23 (two years ago) link

not only is it always the left that is expected to compromise, but when it does compromise and is then royally shafted and subjected to a frankly psychotic years-long campaign of delegitimisation for its trouble ... it's then expected to get over it and compromise again. tiring

— Simply Having A Wonderful Stefmowords (@stefmowords) December 6, 2021



can you really not see, at this point in time, after everything that's happened since 2015, why so many people have just had enough, and simply do not have any remaining will for 'coalition building'

— Simply Having A Wonderful Stefmowords (@stefmowords) December 6, 2021



Like, we had the Greens running a campaign in Stroud that split the left vote and left the seat with a Tory MP. We had Sam Gyimah being talked up as the best chance of winning in Kensington and letting a Tory back into that seat despite people begging and pleading- and afaik nothing ever came of him trying to say Emma Dent Coad was culpable for Grenfell?

Sam Gyimah lied about Emma Dent Coad’s involvement with Grenfell planning. She received death threats. He lied to Kensington residents that Labour had no chance of winning. He gave no shits about the poorest in the borough. He is an evil careerist piece of shit.

— Jason Okundaye (@jasebyjason) December 13, 2019



Emma Dent Coad losing by 150 votes to the Tories after Sam Gyimah (9k votes, Tory until three months ago) slandered her is criminal, the Lib Dems should answer for it.

— The Poisonous Euros Atmosphere Fan (@DawnHFoster) December 13, 2019



The Greens in Stroud not apologising for their shit and instead blaring on about PR immediately after the vote came in - I don’t forget or forgive for any of that shit. Fuck them. Fuck them all.

mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 6 December 2021 12:42 (two years ago) link

I love it how these guys who spent 5 years on a concerted wrecking campaign now favour unity when there is a right-wing reactionary leading the opposition, you can't take anything they say seriously.

calzino, Monday, 6 December 2021 12:48 (two years ago) link

The government’s borders bill has a clause that has the power to strip, among others, every single British Jew of their citizenship without notice. But you’ll still get every Lib Dem and Green cunt whining about jErEmY cOrByN

mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 6 December 2021 12:51 (two years ago) link

Left-wingers are either staying in Lab and trying to hang on locally or have completely withdrawn from the party (which may become visible in the council elections next year) and two years after 2019 are in a state of grief or doing bits and pieces with the likes of Acorn.

I can see almost no one calling for any kind of breakaway at this point. But that's LJ being a total weirdo.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 December 2021 13:05 (two years ago) link

Neither of those options sounds good, or does the latter mean something other than sitting out the next GE?

nashwan, Monday, 6 December 2021 13:23 (two years ago) link

Don't think xyzz's point was that these options were "good" but rather that this is where left demographics are at right now.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 6 December 2021 13:27 (two years ago) link

Its not about a bunch of options that sound good or bad. This is where many people are at xp

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 December 2021 13:27 (two years ago) link

Never about actual solutions now is it

imago, Monday, 6 December 2021 13:34 (two years ago) link

I thought your post was about showing us how left-wing you are.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 December 2021 13:36 (two years ago) link

Not even a month ago:

This one doesn't seem so bad (and I'm not saying it will happen but it is one among many):

- no overall majority next election
- Labour form coalition with SNP, allow for a second referendum
- Scotland votes Leave
- Starmer resigns in shame
- someone like Nadia Whittome wins the leadership

Almost wish I hadn't quit Labour now, lol

― imago, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 bookmarkflaglink

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 December 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link

Sometimes multiple avenues can be explored

imago, Monday, 6 December 2021 13:45 (two years ago) link

What, you want to be both in Labour and a new party? Sounds like you've got time to dick about while Tories deport and evict.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 December 2021 13:47 (two years ago) link

Never about actual solutions now is it


Such attractive solutions I find myself presented with:

1) shut up and vote for the party that think prosecution of historical crimes in Northern Ireland is bad
2) shut up and vote for the party that’s thrown Muslims, GRT community, Irish people, and foreigners living in Britain under the bus to appeal to people who’ll never vote for them
3) shut up and vote for the party who have the whip withdrawn from Corbyn but who welcome Alistair Campbell and Blair back to the public stage
4) shut up and vote for the party regardless of the fact they clearly don’t want or value my vote, the vote of people like me, or the vote of anyone who’s not an angry pensioner

What attractive options! Tell me, LJ, have you anything to say to that or are you just going to make more worthless digs?

mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 6 December 2021 13:52 (two years ago) link

I'd say my dig was both warranted and fairly restrained given what I copped earlier

There are alternatives to voting Labour, and I'm asking for solutions that provide more of these alternatives (and better ones)

imago, Monday, 6 December 2021 14:20 (two years ago) link

I’m not going to vote. I said so before and I’ll say it again.

mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 6 December 2021 14:22 (two years ago) link

Well yeah, as it stands that makes sense, but hopefully when the election comes around there will be an option

imago, Monday, 6 December 2021 14:28 (two years ago) link

"I'd say my dig was both warranted and fairly restrained given what I copped earlier"

Oh poor you.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 December 2021 14:34 (two years ago) link

Thinking of Johnny Mc’s conference speech from 2019 and contrasting it with the party today and I want to weep, honestly.

In July, at our inaugural International Social Forum, I reiterated our support for socialist internationalism. We recognise that the First Industrial Revolution meant Britain was the first major contributor to climate change – something that left a lasting legacy for the Global South.

And to begin making some reparations for our colonial past, I pledge we will provide to the citizens of the Global South free or cheap access to the green technologies developed as part of our Green Industrial Revolution.

And we will work with other countries and social movements across the globe to reform the major international bodies to enable them to coordinate the global response to climate change.

There’s an old trade union saying that “the cause of labour is the hope of the world”. Here in Britain it’s the Labour Party carrying that hope. The hope of a world where the riches of our planet are shared. The hope of a world with the chance for everyone to fulfil their full potential.


Finally the Health Secretary accepts Labour’s call for pre-departure tests, but why up to 48 hours before flight?

We also need to up booster jabs to 500,000 a day; increase vaccination rates; improve sick pay to enable workers to isolate; and improve ventilation in schools. https://t.co/y9ssr4csv0

— Wes Streeting MP (@wesstreeting) December 4, 2021



rachel reeves, who said that her party shouldn't stand for people who are "out of work", like my mother? oh thank you mr starmer!

— 𝔐𝔞𝔤𝔫𝔢𝔱𝔰 🧲 (@PerthshireMags) November 29, 2021

mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 6 December 2021 14:35 (two years ago) link

xps can both of you fuck off, I’m going to request that you are both thread banned, nobody wants to read this shit

mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 6 December 2021 14:35 (two years ago) link

Lol, what? So you are the only who can shout at this dickhead?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 December 2021 14:37 (two years ago) link

I hadn't seen this. Just Starmerism in a nutshell. pic.twitter.com/puMMgeoobZ

— Jamie McLaughlin (@jjsmclaughlin) December 6, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 December 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link

BREAKING 🚨🌿: Cleaning staff at the Royal Parks in London have won a huge increase to their sick pay - following a month-long strike action.

— Trades Union Congress (@The_TUC) December 6, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 13:40 (two years ago) link

Fuckin nice

I'm Bobby Carlyle and I'm here to tell you...it actually works

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 7 December 2021 16:04 (two years ago) link

6,500 depot workers at Tesco to go on strike on the run up to Christmas. More green shoots in the workers movement emerging. Solidarity to them.

— Jonathon Shafi (@Jonathon_Shafi) December 7, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link

EXCLUSIVE: Video obtained by ITV News shows Downing Street staff joking about a Christmas party on 18th December last year.

No 10 has spent the past week denying any rules were broken. This new evidence calls that into question. pic.twitter.com/nKYK0tG0dQ

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) December 7, 2021

nashwan, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link

Can't believe that Allegra could behave like this.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link

Lol @ the tweet above this. Just dumb as shit.

It’s one rule for them, and another for everyone else. This government is not only inhumane, incompetent and corrupt, they are also laughing at you while doing all this. They aren’t even laughing behind your back, they are doing it in your face.

— Oz Katerji (@OzKaterji) December 7, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 20:14 (two years ago) link

you know I can't think of much I've given less of a fuck about than that Christmas party in recent history

calzino, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 20:18 (two years ago) link

Hodge, Sheerman and Harman gone in the same week ... oh the humanity

calzino, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 20:30 (two years ago) link

oh my god the full clip is so so so much worse pic.twitter.com/KjL97JH3It

— Owen Jones 🌹 (@OwenJones84) December 7, 2021

mardheamac (gyac), Tuesday, 7 December 2021 21:08 (two years ago) link

i dont really care about the christmas party as much as i do about the thousands dead

plax (ico), Tuesday, 7 December 2021 21:20 (two years ago) link

i mean, its tacky

plax (ico), Tuesday, 7 December 2021 21:20 (two years ago) link

It seems to be the relatives of the dead who are angriest about it?

When I think that my Grandma died with none of us able to properly visit her and that I didn’t go to her funeral to follow the rules. That I had to cancel my Christmas plans and leave mum in tears to follow the rules. And these absolute fuckers were partying & laughing about it.

— Tom (@tomilo) December 7, 2021

mardheamac (gyac), Tuesday, 7 December 2021 21:35 (two years ago) link

People never seem that bothered or interested in what relatives of the dead have to say - it was the same with the Iraq War. I'm sure there's some psychological blocking thing going on.

When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 December 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link

all the shit they've done in the last couple of decades (both parties) this just seems so small I can't even feel anything about it, not even any kind of mildly ho-hum kind of ennui, never mind anger. Maybe I'm wrong but it's just the way I feel.

calzino, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 22:12 (two years ago) link

They’re lying to you and they’re laughing at you. pic.twitter.com/6VRaDRa3Nl

— The Labour Party (@UKLabour) December 7, 2021

Starmer Labour attempting to hold the moral high ground on honesty lol

calzino, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 00:03 (two years ago) link

"..unfortunately we've got a prime minister who is socially distanced from the truth"

oh gosh this guy really is the worst...remove the fucking plank from thine own eye first you dismal ham.

calzino, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 10:08 (two years ago) link


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