Olivia Rodrigo #1Adele #2
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 3 December 2021 14:56 (two years ago) link
Here liesPOPTIMISM2000-2021
― imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 14:59 (two years ago) link
j/k but music journalism is def deceased
except for when you guys do it <3
― imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 15:00 (two years ago) link
I think Rodrigo's album's great.
Adele's, not so much.
― birdistheword, Friday, 3 December 2021 15:09 (two years ago) link
tbf they're both only so high because bruce, u2, and dylan didn't release this year
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 December 2021 15:15 (two years ago) link
the rauw alejandro album at #3 is really good! maybe more like the 20th best album of the year than the 3rd but still, glad to see it
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 December 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link
Feeling just about ready to bet my entire bank account that NME will give Song of the Year to Chaise Longue
(That’s not a bad thing it’s a great track)
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Friday, 3 December 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link
It's weird that everyone is being sticklers about Red (Taylor's Version) since everyone was absolutely jizzing over it
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 3 December 2021 15:44 (two years ago) link
NME likes played-straight indie rock almost as much as it likes transparent industry pushes so yeah (xp)
― imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 15:44 (two years ago) link
One has to be seen to care about Taytay, it's a way you can show you're good at thinking about Popular Music without listening to the mounting thousands of albums that now come out each month
― imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 15:46 (two years ago) link
Lol, the R.S. byline for that #1 album is Rob Sheffield, I assume? Vmic.
― treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Friday, 3 December 2021 16:07 (two years ago) link
_Lovingly packaged and designed, “Yes Is the Answer” is a paper treehouse for gentlemen of a certain age, a safe place to embrace a shared teenage fantasy of adult sagacity they can now re-access as an adult fantasy of innocent youth._
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Village Voice Pazz & Jop Rip-Off Poll
Any and/or all of you are hereby invited to participate in the below poll. Most votes are being cast on facebook, but you can also email your ballot to pazzandjop at gmail dot com
2021 edition of the Village Voice Pazz & Jop Rip-Off poll.How the poll works:You have 100 points to assign to 10 albums.The max number of points to assign to any album is 30.The minimum points allowed for an album is 5.You can also assign two (or more) records the same amount of points indicating that you like them equally.If you can’t come up with 10 records, you can assign a point total equal to an average of 10 (e.g. if you only have 8 records, then you have 80 points to work with.)Post your ballot in the Facebook group (or send in Messenger to Keith Artin) OR email to pazzandjop at gmail dot comPosting Tips:Post as follows: Artist, Album, Points.When assigning two albums the same number of points, post artists in alphabetical order (using first name if it’s a person, and “The” if a band has it in their name).The above is especially helpful if you give all acts 10 points.I've posted a sample ballot posted in the comments belowYou can change your ballot after posting but once Keith Artin has liked your post (which means it has been entered), you should contact him directly about changes.DEADLINE: Sunday, January 2nd at 12pmAs always, feel free to invite others to participate!Your admins,Glenn Boothe & Keith Artin
― dow, Friday, 3 December 2021 19:42 (two years ago) link
modern rs trying to be poptimist or whatever they're doing feels even weirder than when their top 10 was mostly just classic rock acts way past their prime
― ufo, Friday, 3 December 2021 22:55 (two years ago) link
Are you implying that Britney's "Toxic" isn't actually better than "Let It Be"?
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 3 December 2021 23:11 (two years ago) link
GVB songs:
https://www.gorillavsbear.net/gorilla-vs-bears-songs-of-2021/
Plenty of overlap with my own music taste again: erika de casier, men i trust, caroline loveglow, doss… love all of those.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:00 (two years ago) link
Imago, you’re a little cynical, aren’t you?
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:06 (two years ago) link
Beam of sunshine, me
― imago, Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:08 (two years ago) link
Through a magnifying glass onto the ant of culture!!!
― imago, Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
The RS list is, as is increasingly the case, a grab bag of stuff I’ve never heard of (~65%), stuff I’ve heard of but haven’t heard (~20%), and stuff I’ve heard and think has moments (the rest).
But it’s fine. Long ago I realized that culture is going a different way than I am and to read one of these lists is just to peek at what the culture cares about.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:10 (two years ago) link
That's fair and fine, but the homogeneity is what gets me! Something like that Sasha Geffen list stands out for being defiantly different (and also having some stuff I like on it, lol)
That's mostly an individual vs collective list distinction ofc but even so, we on ILM have generally been able to come up with fairly idiosyncratic collective EOYS, so it is possible so long as there isn't overhead editorial pressure to push what sells I guess
― imago, Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:14 (two years ago) link
I'd love to hear from someone involved in a zine EOY - how is it, in short, made? Unless you're at the Quietus in which case it's 'scroll through phone numbers of all our mates and randomise' juuuust kidding
― imago, Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:15 (two years ago) link
I haven’t checked to see what their 2021 has to offer but Vice’s is always pretty unique.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:21 (two years ago) link
at Pitchfork we check off albums and songs from a Google spreadsheet. If neither appears, write it in.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link
we do??? i am prob not involved at that level
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:28 (two years ago) link
i opted out this year after two straight years of not getting assigned blurbs which i don’t enjoy writing anyway lol
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:29 (two years ago) link
the NPR and GvB lists have been really enjoyable this year
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:48 (two years ago) link
The RS list is, as is increasingly the case, a grab bag of stuff I’ve never heard of (~65%), stuff I’ve heard of but haven’t heard (~20%), and stuff I’ve heard and think has moments (the rest).But it’s fine. Long ago I realized that culture is going a different way than I am and to read one of these lists is just to peek at what the culture cares about.― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, December 4, 2021 11:10 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, December 4, 2021 11:10 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
I don't think the RS lists presents a coherent representation of any "culture" and more like an attempt to join many siloed popular cultures under one umbrella
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 4 December 2021 18:11 (two years ago) link
read it as “soiled” at first
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Saturday, 4 December 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link
I don't see any real distinction between that and the ethos of Pfork, teh Graun, etc. I'm a little mystified by R. Cummings perspective tbh, was there some golden age of pop to pine for? Was there a time in recent years when the RS list was noteworthy?
None of the lists posted so far appeal much to me, but then I continue to maintain that the album is an obsolete format, and that social media has largely devastated most niche music scenes with any potential for mass appeal.
I don't think there was any real golden age of pop, but I do suspect a Pitchfork list from 15 years ago would be of considerably higher quality overall than what's on offer now.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link
I am quite smitten with the Floating Points - Pharoah Sanders collaboration tho.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:04 (two years ago) link
I'm a little mystified by R. Cummings perspective tbh, was there some golden age of pop to pine for?
when did he imply this?
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link
Viborg, I don’t think there was a golden age of pop during my lifetime. What I meant was that there was a time when I had some familiarity with the majority of artists on the RS list, even if I didn’t like them. Now? Most of this stuff is a total mystery.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:26 (two years ago) link
I don't see any real distinction between that and the ethos of Pfork
Well, we'll see what they have to cook up this year, but last year's list did have a pretty cohesive identity! 48 of the albums were "millennials aging out of indie rock" + "zoomers aging into the new indie pop/rock/R&B/dance" + "cool kid endorsed poptimism."
The other two were Bad Bunny and "Drakeo the Ruler recorded an album over a prison phone"
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:26 (two years ago) link
A lot of that is down to being a 44 year old man, of course. But if I showed my 15 year old son the list he’d be mystified too, if less mystified.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:27 (two years ago) link
Until today I didn’t know that Tomorrow X Together existed!
None of this is a comment on the quality of these acts, by the way. I have no idea. Just saying that this landscape is vast in a way that is mind-boggling.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:29 (two years ago) link
I think it all comes down to "music increasingly markets itself to more and more niche communities" and these big tent pubs all have to either A) Establish their own identity (I think P4k, Revolver, maybe Mojo are doing a good job of that, regardless of what you think of their music tastes) or trying to be everything to everyone, which, well, good fucking luck
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:32 (two years ago) link
Agreed.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:34 (two years ago) link
Earlier this year, Rolling Stone literally said BTS' 'Dynamite' is better than "Heartbreak Hotel." I don't think they're exactly a marker of our "vast musical landscape" and more a marker of 40somethings tripping over their dicks to try and stay relevant
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:37 (two years ago) link
Anyway, the rap choices on all these lists makes me feel 10,000 years old, peace out
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link
I continue to maintain that the album is an obsolete formatWhy? It still seems central to me.
― katebishopfan616 (morrisp), Saturday, 4 December 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link
yeah that's a headscratcher to me, too
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Saturday, 4 December 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link
Not like all these album lists are being topped by aging artists in obscure microgenres (although mine surely will be).
― treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 December 2021 22:07 (two years ago) link
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten)
Lol they did what!?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 4 December 2021 22:09 (two years ago) link
their top 500 songs of all time list had some really goofy stuff
― ufo, Saturday, 4 December 2021 22:12 (two years ago) link
Or are you referencing the fact that “dynamite” scored one place higher than “heartbreak hotel” on their 500 song list?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 4 December 2021 22:13 (two years ago) link
yeah
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 4 December 2021 22:20 (two years ago) link
Maybe there are earlier examples, I don't know, but for me better-than insanity started with Spin's two '88 lists, both singles and albums. I liked some of their left-field picks a lot at the time, especially their #1 song, but there was also a lot of Depeche Mode's Black Celebration better than The Velvet Underground & Nico, and Echo & the Bunnymen's "The Killing Moon" better than "Heat Wave," "I Can't Explain," and "Anarchy in the U.K."
― clemenza, Saturday, 4 December 2021 22:36 (two years ago) link