why don’t you drive an EV?

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hmm my mind's playing tricks on me. there's no storage space in the front, apart from a place to put your spare cables.

https://i.imgur.com/n0Ch9Ew.jpg

Tracer Hand, Friday, 26 November 2021 22:29 (two years ago) link

here's what it looks like when you open the the door to the "gas tank"

https://i.imgur.com/FDVaU01.jpg

Tracer Hand, Friday, 26 November 2021 22:30 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/FlmXGKL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/o4fVNXY.jpg

Tracer Hand, Friday, 26 November 2021 22:31 (two years ago) link

uh oh: the lovely Emma B has said she thinks we need a car

Tracer Hand, Monday, 29 November 2021 10:34 (two years ago) link

cad how are you liking the e-Niro?

we need:
- a car that can make the trip from London to Bordeaux
- storage space
- enough room for a family of 4 plus a dog
- ???
- profit

Tracer Hand, Monday, 29 November 2021 10:37 (two years ago) link

i'll tell you in a few days! signing the lease the evening before u.s. thanksgiving has slowed down the process so hopefully i'm picking up this afternoon.

london to bordeaux looks like it's about 650 miles which would be several stops based on the kia's advertised range.

call all destroyer, Monday, 29 November 2021 15:53 (two years ago) link

driving into europe from the uk must kinda suck due to the steering wheel situation

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link

i’ve read a few articles where people have made the trip from london to paris on a single charge but yeah to get to bordeaux would take another again

lagoon yeah maybe a little odd? people do it all the time though

Tracer Hand, Monday, 29 November 2021 16:40 (two years ago) link

it would def make me nervous

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 16:45 (two years ago) link

You get used to it pretty quickly ime

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Monday, 29 November 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link

Anybody know anything about the Ford Mach-E?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 November 2021 16:50 (two years ago) link

surely you mean the... mustang mach-e, i mean of course you make your tesla rip off a mustang just stands to reason, iirc the reviews have been good

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 16:53 (two years ago) link

In europe its a maché

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Monday, 29 November 2021 17:09 (two years ago) link

i'm kind of breaking it down like this

- sensible: MG 5 EV
- sweet spot: kia e-niro 2 (64kWh)
- dream car: ioniq 5 (sadly not quite cheap enough to qualify for the EV rebate)

Tracer Hand, Monday, 29 November 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link

the mach-e looks sweet, our friends upstairs neighbor has one so i've snooped around it a bit. more car than i need right now but they are cool.

call all destroyer, Monday, 29 November 2021 18:08 (two years ago) link

feel like the transition away from ICEs is going to suddenly go very very fast (as fast as the supply chain allows) over the next year or two.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 18:14 (two years ago) link

driving into europe from the uk must kinda suck due to the steering wheel situation

I mean, they switch the lanes for you so you wind up on the correct side. You don't just come barreling out into oncoming traffic.

pplains, Monday, 29 November 2021 18:18 (two years ago) link

I've pretty much zeroed in on the Mach-E and am probably going to put a deposit on one before the end of the year to get the EV credit.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 November 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link

feel like the transition away from ICEs is going to suddenly go very very fast (as fast as the supply chain allows) over the next year or two.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, November 29, 2021 1:14 PM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i dont think itll happen until the government makes it

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 18:56 (two years ago) link

which is not to say that evs wont sell better than they do now but they barely sell now

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 18:58 (two years ago) link

big impediments to adoption imo

cost
inconvenience of charging
bad usa culture*

*not sure if other countries have this

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:03 (two years ago) link

norway has mandated evs by 2025 which i dont think would fly here but theres lots of other stuff the government could do like bigger subsidies better emission standards etc but of course the thing they should do is... give everyone ebikes https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/22/opinion/free-ebikes-climate.html

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link

which is not to say that evs wont sell better than they do now but they barely sell now

― lag∞n, Monday, November 29, 2021 1:58 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

friend you are forgetting a little place called the rest of the world

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/FT_21.05.21_ElectricVehicles_1.png

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:16 (two years ago) link

europe and china are going to be over 50% within a couple of years.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:17 (two years ago) link

because the government is making them

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link

sure

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:20 (two years ago) link

will be interesting to see what happens to countries whos governments dont make as big of an ev push as the industry starts to put more of their efforts towards evs, idk if it will matter that much theyre prob happy to just keep making and selling whatever cars, you can still get a brand new land cruiser 70 in australia which is a nearly 40 year old model, will prob make more of a difference at the top of the market if all of the r&d is going towards evs

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:25 (two years ago) link

but like in mexico or vietnam, countries that buy a lot of cars but arent great at infrastructure, could take a long time, also if the usa wont get with the program thats a problem

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:27 (two years ago) link

eh i think every market, once it reaches 10% passenger EV, is going to get from 10% to say 60-70% very quickly (literally in 2-3 years), subsidies or not. once you see mass market EVs you think buying an ICE would be crazy because it will have no resale value in 5 years. the slow bit (where subsidies and strategies like focussing on rich nerds are important) is getting to 10%. after that it's going to go faster than people expect.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:30 (two years ago) link

my theory is the US is going to do the 10%-60% bit as fast as anywhere, but is going to get stuck at ~60% for longer than most markets because 20% of the country has mostly legit range anxiety, and 20% of the country has a kink about committing suicide to own the libs.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:31 (two years ago) link

the subsidies are important because evs are really expensive

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:33 (two years ago) link

aside from mandating them the biggest thing the government could do for evs is prob to make the subsidies big enough that they cost the same as gas cars

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:34 (two years ago) link

in countries where gas is heavily taxed that already tilts the formula more towards evs, but not in the ol usa baby

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:36 (two years ago) link

not for long https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34992832/battery-price-drop-2023/ xxp

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:37 (two years ago) link

the most important EV in the U.S. will be the success or failure of the Ford F150 EV, because ultimately you're going to have to convince the "Suburban guys who drive giant pickups for literally no reason" demographic for EVs to be mainstream

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link

battery prices dropping by 10x over a few years, and multiple auto makers getting into the family EV market at the same time ... the supply chain is the limit.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link

not for long https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34992832/battery-price-drop-2023/ xxp

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, November 29, 2021 2:37 PM (nineteen seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

thats like one year away and evs cost ~10k more than comparable gas car right now, seem ambitious

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link

we'll see

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:42 (two years ago) link

over under on biden's "50% of new passenger vehicle sales being electric" target? he says 2030. that seems insanely pessimistic to me in 2021, in a way it didn't like 2 years ago. i'm saying 2026.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:44 (two years ago) link

bidens target seems reasonable to me but also biden could make it happen faster if he wanted lol

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link

i think there's nothing he could do to stop it

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link

will be interesting if the auto industry starts lobbying the government to do more for evs then you have a face off between the traditional allies big car and big oil

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:47 (two years ago) link

wonder what the range number is that makes the charing problem go away seems like we must be approaching it

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:51 (two years ago) link

it's a strong function of charging infra, right? i don't actually own an EV so i don't really know how much that's improved over the past couple of years. i know there's a bunch of money for it in the infra bill in the US?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:53 (two years ago) link

actually that's not true, i own a cargo e-bike with two child seats aka babe magnet.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:54 (two years ago) link

wonder how much the temporary fact that a 3 year old used car is almost as expensive as a new car, and if you're going to buy new you may as well buy electric, has pushed up people's timetables. shame there weren't more normal people EVs available when covid started.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:54 (two years ago) link

it's a strong function of charging infra, right? i don't actually own an EV so i don't really know how much that's improved over the past couple of years. i know there's a bunch of money for it in the infra bill in the US?

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, November 29, 2021 2:53 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

im sure thats part of it but also just the distance your car can go on one full charge has got to be a big part of it too, like if you know you can do many days of usual driving and charge it at home when its convenient then for most people thats prob enough, and if theyre worried about long drives which are rare to non existent for the vast majority of people thats covered too, feel like you want to be able to charge where you park at night and also not have to track and worry about it too much

cause that stat where 20% of ev buyers were going back to gas cars for their next one is bad, you cant have the very motivated to buy electric people crapping out

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link

but like in mexico or vietnam, countries that buy a lot of cars but arent great at infrastructure, could take a long time, also if the usa wont get with the program thats a problem

― lag∞n, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 6:27 AM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Vinfast will respectfully disagree with you. They are rapidly building the cars and infrastructure in Vietnam.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/19/vietnamese-carmaker-vinfast-plots-course-for-us-market-starting-with-two-electric-crossovers/

Tracer, on your picks

We don’t have the MG5 down here but we do have the MGZS and it’s a good car but let down by poor efficiency, it uses more electricity than it should and range suffers. YMMV as they say.

A good option might be a second hand OG Ioniq or Kona. My Ioniqs are holding up really well after 80,000km. Battery performance is holding up really well and the ioniq will sit around 13kWh/100km all day every day. Ioniq fast charging performance could be better. If you can find one that has just had the recall, or is due for one then you might get a good deal and get a completely fresh battery into the bargain.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Monday, 29 November 2021 20:05 (two years ago) link

thats nice that theres an vietnamese company that gave a press release to tech crunch i guess

lag∞n, Monday, 29 November 2021 20:08 (two years ago) link

my theory is the US is going to do the 10%-60% bit as fast as anywhere, but is going to get stuck at ~60% for longer than most markets, because 20% of the country has mostly legit range anxiety, and 20% of the country has a kink about committing suicide to own the libs.

so the same trajectory as COVID vaccine, basically, and for roughly the same reasons

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 November 2021 20:08 (two years ago) link


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