"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

burn down harry potter imo

yes it would be a better use of their time and platforms to blog about how harry potter is bad

A peaceful protest near a prominent terf’s mansion will be called aggression by transphobes yes, BLM protesters will get called thugs by racists too

currently self-debating the optics of a literal mass pyre of childhood harry potters. otoh, powerful. otoh, a bit nazi lol

xxp Tell me you have never seen a picket without telling me you have never seen a picket.

this really boils down to whether picketing jk rowling's house is a good idea, and what there is to gain from it

It really doesn't. I don't think that picketing her castle is a particularly good idea, but in terms of tactical smarts it certainly outranks "trying not to do anything that can me misconstrued and spun as bad by the media", which is a surefire recipe for total inaction. Also from what I've heard this was like three people, you can neither control the actions of every rando nor should you waste time dissecting them.

What it boils down to much more is the larger issue of a person with huge media power putting out a false narrative and the media, as well as usually sound ppl like Natalie, just scarfing that up without a minimum of critical thinking.

Also, if fear of angering normies is your strategy, might I suggest trying to focus on the widely beloved children's lit that is the only reason anyone cares about this woman in the first place being bad, actually is, erhm, a bit of a miscalculation on your part?

People are out there being smeared as paedophiles for the crime of being trans and having the BBC platform a rapist as a voice of reason. I think a little perspective wouldn’t go amiss here.

strongly believe there would be a broad and receptive audience to 'actually harry potter is kind of shit and teaches bad lessons' myself. every enid blyton falls eventually

obviously the media is full of bigoted scumbags and bad-faith tactics, but the question is how to combat this - how to get even and not just mad

n.b. richmal crompton shall NEVER FALL

Can you just drop the just asking questions on behalf of normies posture, it’s beyond done. Like this is what people hide behind all the time and it’s tedious and disingenuous af, “I don’t personally think this but the man in the street…” Like, most cis women don’t agree with JKR on her stance, but we’re not hearing that side at all. So why focus on people who already don’t have a fucking voice in the media to start with.

Well that's it exactly - focus efforts on giving them a voice. Promote trans content. Like Contrapoints :D

Promote the softly softly melts ceding the entirely false debate, yeah ok.

Your softly softly melt is my righteous queen of aesthetics, and thus, impasse

But ofc, trans content doesn't necessarily have to fully align with itself! Natalie herself often makes the point that considering the transes as one unified bloc is terrible and reductive

And also, she isn't always right, but nobody's always right

What I’d give for Corbyn to have spent more time setting his lawyers on people.

On 15 November 2021 a false defamatory statement, for which I accept full responsibility, was published on my Twitter account about Jeremy Corbyn MP. My apology is attached. I have agreed to pay substantial damages and legal costs to Mr Corbyn. Please retweet. pic.twitter.com/K61Vtx4cEo

— Cllr Paul Nickerson (@CouncillorPaul_) November 23, 2021

Now this we can all agree on

Everyone is agreeing you are wrong Louie, yes.

"7 Days was a very interesting project!! it's in the ambit of the underground press tho of course more self-consciously political. and like the rest of the underground press it haemorrhaged money and when editor alex cockburn closed it down and moved to the states he was basically fleeing colossal debts lol

(maybe the tribune piece says all this i will never click the link)"

It doesn't btw

i think

it'll always be spun as

is key here as emphatically yes it will always be spun

you cant behave yourself enough that assholes will cease to be able to claim whatever they want to about you.

otm, this idea that you can cleverly elide this is a pipe dream

i don't dispute that, which is why ignoring the assholes and creating positive* content (protesting outside someone's, yes, castle isn't quite this, unless you use a trebuchet in which case i can kinda see the appeal, calz otm) is a good idea

*not necessarily smiley happy content, but yknow building stuff, engagement, suchlike

Did you see where said castle was listed publicly on a site for tourists or

What does that even have to do with anything, imago? You think "producing content" is going to prevent trans rights being rolled back and terf ideology spreading through mainstream media? xp

Fight hate with love, Daniel, Jesus Christ.

it's all about building your brand

i think

_it'll always be spun as_


is key here as *emphatically yes* it will always be spun

you cant behave yourself enough that assholes will cease to be able to claim whatever they want to about you.

What does that even have to do with anything, imago? You think "producing content" is going to prevent trans rights being rolled back and terf ideology spreading through mainstream media? xp

― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 16:05 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i think that the more people who either a) have trans friends and family or b) enjoy content by visible trans creators, the more that this will be met with pushback. ofc solidarity from other groups is important (miners + gay rights in the 80s etc), but solidarity is often expressed thru engagement + celebration as well as protest

Most cis women are already not terfs

i know. the terfs will lose, inevitably and thankfully

i think that the more people who either a) have trans friends and family or b) enjoy content by visible trans creators, the more that this will be met with pushback.

This is a flawed assumption from the get-go (cf centuries of white America voraciously consuming art by black ppl), but also you realise that if that were to be the case, it'd have to be something several magnitudes larger than, say, ContraPoint's 1.49m subscribers, and that the avenues for such exposure are in the UK closed off to trans ppl in very obvious ways?

I mean come on dude just imagine saying that BLM would be best served by having more black ppl on youtube channels.

yeah I agree, harassing bigoted billionaire arseholes in their mansions is mostly a waste of time that you should be spending on working out the security vulnerable spots and which part of the building is the most flammable

https://i.imgur.com/BBO6LMj.jpg

Titania McGrath lols!

This is a flawed assumption from the get-go (cf centuries of white America voraciously consuming art by black ppl), but also you realise that if that were to be the case, it'd have to be something several magnitudes larger than, say, ContraPoint's 1.49m subscribers, and that the avenues for such exposure are in the UK closed off to trans ppl in very obvious ways?

I mean come on dude just imagine saying that BLM would be best served by having more black ppl on youtube channels.

― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 16:26 (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

keeping it to the UK here, i am not for a second suggesting it is easy to be a black person in this country - there are systemic and structural racisms at play everywhere you look - however it is inarguable that the situation has improved over the last 50 years, thanks in part to black people being popular musicians, footballers, politicians, visual artists, presenters, in short public figures; and also in part to friendships and relationships between races becoming commonplace

it isn't just about youtube channels, it's about exposure, normalisation, acceptance and the sharing of power

emil.y of this parish just retweeted this btw, seems like it might be worth grabbing

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— Ruth Pearce (@NotRightRuth) November 23, 2021

current extra-racist priti patel style shit notwithstanding obv

I'm sorry but telling people who protest that they should instead be creating content in the name of "exposure, normalisation, acceptance and the sharing of power" is just deranged. You're embodying the strawman of the person who sees politics as being entirely about representation.

well, those things are things that just happen, as a result of not just cultural participation but simply living in a place for a long time. time heals

Says a white person.

however it is inarguable that the situation has improved over the last 50 years, thanks in part to black people being popular musicians, footballers, politicians, visual artists, presenters, in short public figures; and also in part to friendships and relationships between races becoming commonplace

Have you considered how much advancement has happened due to ppl actually fucking fighting for their rights in ways that would be tut-tutted as "not smart tactics"? Something left out of your cozy little speech there.

when three people protest outside a private citizen's house, nothing changes

when three thousand people take to the streets...

shows of power and solidarity are important, yes

Ok, I'll leave it here because this really isn't going anywhere and I know you mean well but I'd ask you one last time to ponder what happens when you, and ContraPoints, and the world at large decide to make three ppl protesting outside a castle a thing worth denouncing, whose interests that serves, whose cause is getting advanced by that. And that this isn't down to the three ppl protesting, but rather to all of you fucking taking Rowling's bait.

'denouncing' feels strong, it's more a frustrated 'cmon that won't end well' and I know CP meant it like that

i don't take rowling's bait at all, i don't care for how she feels in all of this, boohoo you feel threatened etc, she is to be ignored and disregarded

that said, i accept that making any sort of deal about it at all is probably unnecessary and i've been driven more by a compulsion to defend CP than anything else

have bought that book btw. it promises to be instructive

Booming posts from Daniel_Rf here

have bought that book btw. it promises to be instructive

― imago, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 bookmarkflaglink

You are not fooling anyone.

oh really, is that so

you'd think that given about half my music taste, my girlfriend's sister and best pal and several of my favourite content creators are trans people, i might want to better understand how their fight for acceptance can be wrought

Think again

the difference between me and you, julio, is that i accept the possibility that i am wrong

*through years of laughter* ok sure.