'd rather watch a stoner comedy starring someone as a hapless assistant to Garcia tasked with getting him ice cream and heroin. Sort of a hippie "After Hours." Hill could still be Garcia, if they really wanted, but don't make the movie about Garcia. Yeah, or I too was thinking about POV---others to consider might be Mountain Girl, and/or another wife, gf, other female? Was always most interested in how the women and girls of The Sopranos cope w dinosaur male madness all around them-.But starting to have doubts about "stoner comedy" as main frame---Pete Davidson is voicing The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, who smoke a joint in 1969, wake up in 2021. First of all: bad timing X of all: bad timing. Pot is legal-decriminalized, to various degrees, in so many states now, and----so what, even as escapism (suppose they will visit a store w incredible edibles etc)
― dow, Friday, 19 November 2021 15:49 (two years ago) link
Although I say that as someone who came back to and gave up on *modern* pot a long tyme ago (it's too strong, dagnabbit)
― dow, Friday, 19 November 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link
(Also could be POV ov Owsley, who loved their fabulous sound system, though was overheard: "Why do you do me this way?" Relationship w JG/band better?)
― dow, Friday, 19 November 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link
Gonna start mid-heart attack and then freeze:
(Voiceover): "I never thought it would end like this ..."
Cue Glenn Miller's "Chattanooga Choo Choo"
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 November 2021 16:00 (two years ago) link
Film needs to cover his late snorkeling and diving enthusiasm
― calstars, Friday, 19 November 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link
Lots of visual possibilities there, like 3-D version I saw---with glasses!--- of The Creature From The Black Lagoon Goes w image of Jonah Hill needs to go full De Niro and put on 60 lbs for a late Garcia role, which I may never recover from (and now having Grateful Dawg flashbacks of studio as hospital room, ughhhhh)
― dow, Friday, 19 November 2021 18:08 (two years ago) link
I gave ace a chance and you guys are right it’s good.
― calstars, Saturday, 20 November 2021 02:14 (two years ago) link
"Jerry mighta moved slow, but that was only because Jerry didn't have to move for anybody"— rob sheffield (@robsheff) November 18, 2021
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 20 November 2021 03:56 (two years ago) link
Häagen-Dazs and heroin
and chord books
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 November 2021 04:52 (two years ago) link
Film needs to cover his late snorkeling and diving enthusiasm― calstars, Friday, November 19, 2021 11:42 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― calstars, Friday, November 19, 2021 11:42 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
it’s the Jerry-era biopic no one wants but secretly needs!
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 20 November 2021 06:48 (two years ago) link
Fries Down Under The Stars
― calstars, Saturday, 20 November 2021 13:06 (two years ago) link
Maybe it'll be a debauched, lost weekend style take on Phil's Heineken years.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, November 19, 2021 10:07 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Europe 74 would be cool: Hauling the Wall of Sound across the Atlantic; the cocaine really starts to take hold; somehow Phil is fatter and more bearded than Jerry (I guess that's the Heineken)
― J. Sam, Saturday, 20 November 2021 14:11 (two years ago) link
^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab5IhdnDfks
― J. Sam, Saturday, 20 November 2021 14:12 (two years ago) link
yasss
― calstars, Saturday, 20 November 2021 14:36 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMifZvxa5s
good quality video of 4/27/77
― calstars, Friday, 26 November 2021 17:43 (two years ago) link
12/10/71 Fox Theater show is surprisingly great! Pigpen was on some other level
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 20:49 (two years ago) link
My 4-yr-old commandeered my headphones for a while y'day, while I was listening to a Dead set... when she finally handed them back, after a few tracks ("I'm done"), I checked and found she was around 4:30 into "Drums." (kind of impressed she gave 'em that much of a chance)
― quiet coyote (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link
xp - That really was a great show and one of the bigger surprises from the St. Louis box (I mean, I knew the '72 and '73 shows were going to be hot). The last few months of '71 have always been a weak spot for me and I have a tough time getting super excited about them, but 12/10 is great. Helps that Keith is high in the mix and really on fire.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 20:56 (two years ago) link
giving the grateful dead movie a chance, as it's on TV right now
― mark s, Sunday, 8 May 2022 20:27 (one year ago) link
brief moment when lesh realises the camera is making a weird feedbacky effect with his bass and plays around with it for not at all long enough
― mark s, Sunday, 8 May 2022 20:38 (one year ago) link
too many ppl smile too much in this film
― mark s, Sunday, 8 May 2022 21:03 (one year ago) link
still feel their logo is just the most misleading thing abt them: their music does not sound like how this looks --->
https://1000logos.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Grateful-Dead-Logo.png
― mark s, Sunday, 8 May 2022 21:20 (one year ago) link
yes im the synaesthesia police
― mark s, Sunday, 8 May 2022 21:30 (one year ago) link
I always had the same problem with Ice Cream Kid from Europe '72https://www.dead.net/sites/g/files/g2000007851/files/dead_site_files/images/19721105_0648.jpg
― enochroot, Monday, 9 May 2022 01:08 (one year ago) link
Lol x 2
― Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 May 2022 01:08 (one year ago) link
B-b-but what about Mr. Natural?
― Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 May 2022 01:16 (one year ago) link
Ha I always thought the skull lightning bolt thing was the only of their logos that made ANY sense. I fucking hate the dancing bears. My wife bought me a dancing bear belt last Xmas. I gritted my teeth and stuffed it in the bottom of my drawer.
― tobo73, Monday, 9 May 2022 02:37 (one year ago) link
Had you not communicated your distaste beforehand?
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 May 2022 02:55 (one year ago) link
You need to drop a tabhttps://extrachill.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/owsley-stanley-blotter-art.jpg
― Bob Dylan's iconic Ray Ban sunglasses (morrisp), Monday, 9 May 2022 04:04 (one year ago) link
in conclusion: i didn't hate when the GD just light off into the endless twinkling improv bits -- sometimes it reminds me of 80s soukous -- but the songs that get them started all sound the same to me and very unspecial
― mark s, Monday, 9 May 2022 08:09 (one year ago) link
i noped out and went to bed when casey jones wasn't a cover of the TV themetune
― mark s, Monday, 9 May 2022 08:10 (one year ago) link
On this website, the late Owsley (aka Bear) spent a lot of time making somewhat pedantic and slightly exasperated corrections to common assumptions. The one on the dancing bears is vmic:
I guess you may have realised by now that the bears on the album cover are not really "dancing". I don't know why people think they are, their positions are quite obviously those of a high-stepping march. You can also see what some people think are "bibs", are actually a sylization of the chest fur of the bear.
― Luna Schlosser, Monday, 9 May 2022 08:46 (one year ago) link
(On his website)
― Luna Schlosser, Monday, 9 May 2022 08:49 (one year ago) link
mods invite the late owsley (aka bear) to this website
― mark s, Monday, 9 May 2022 08:52 (one year ago) link
the kind of pedantry our site could really use
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 9 May 2022 08:53 (one year ago) link
Well, yeah.
― Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 May 2022 10:01 (one year ago) link
I am always interested in this thread’s question because I often want to know what prevents people from getting into the Dead, particularly if it seems like the sort of thing they’d be into.For me, I love jamming out, but the minute that any vocals happen, I want to turn the music off. None of these guys could sing, and so when one of em starts mewling acidically after 15 minutes of lovely psychedelic improvisation, my thoughts immediately turn to a different question. How could a band ruin so much of their own material simply by singing? It’s mind-boggling to me.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Monday, 9 May 2022 10:50 (one year ago) link
For me the endless twinkling improv bits (cf. mark s) are the main draw. Maybe the often insufferable vocals and shabby playing kind of put the twinkly bits into even sharper relief. Merely twinkling would result in less impact, so the pain/pleasure dialectic is key. (Granted, I mostly listen to Europe '72 full concerts, so don't know if this explanation would apply to other eras.)
― jvc, Monday, 9 May 2022 11:23 (one year ago) link
Jerry’s voice before it went to shit had a lovely timbre imho
― calstars, Monday, 9 May 2022 11:26 (one year ago) link
I agree about the Jerry timbre! Off-key singing and mistiming though...
― jvc, Monday, 9 May 2022 11:37 (one year ago) link
The biggest surprise of the recent-ish documentary was the clip of them rehearsing vocal harmonies. Jerry ran Bob and Phil through one line several times, and I thought, “They rehearsed their vocals?!” — all live evidence being to the contrary.You could put the weakness of the vocals down to not being able to properly hear themselves on stage, but things didn’t improve with their Wall Of Sound PA which supposedly allowed them to hear themselves much more clearly. But they knew their singing wasn’t the greatest; almost all the vocals on Europe ‘72 were overdubbed in the studio. For me, Pigpen’s utterly hapless attempts at “Hard To Handle” and “Hey Jude” are the nadir of Dead vocals, which is saying something.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 9 May 2022 13:05 (one year ago) link
iirc Crosby claims to have helped the Dead with their three-part harmonies at one point ... but you can only do so much.
It's definitely part of Dead lore that whatever film, CD, song, bootleg etc of theirs is under discussion, it's never the right 'intro' for non-believers. But that really is true of the Grateful Dead Movie imho
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 9 May 2022 13:58 (one year ago) link
I thought that was Phish lore!
― Bob Dylan's iconic Ray Ban sunglasses (morrisp), Monday, 9 May 2022 14:02 (one year ago) link
tbf as an outsider, the grateful dead movie is a better intro than the three or four canonic LPs I have a long try a couple of years ago upthread
it's not good as a movie (jampacked with fvck-awful animation and vox pops with their more annoying fans) but it points you towards the endless twinkling improv bits™️ rather than away from them -- i definitely now get it more than i did
― mark s, Monday, 9 May 2022 14:10 (one year ago) link
I quoted this in some other dead thread but mention of the grateful dead movie caused me to search for it - I've used "get my space together" for like 30 years now because of this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPJ_VN3Iis
― joygoat, Monday, 9 May 2022 14:20 (one year ago) link
This is true, but also his later voice added some levity to performances of, say, "Black Muddy River" and "Wharf Rat" after it went to shit.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 May 2022 14:21 (one year ago) link
apparently I can't like to a specific time - add &t=2210s to that URL
― joygoat, Monday, 9 May 2022 14:22 (one year ago) link
Jerry’s voice before it went to shit had a lovely timbre
the minute that any vocals happen, I want to turn the music off.
lol the fact that both of these are commonly held opinions is one of the great paradoxes of the Dead.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 9 May 2022 14:24 (one year ago) link
The vocals are fine on the albums. No one’s required to listen to live shows.My controversial Dead opinion is that they were very significant album band, and you could exclusively listen to the albums (studio plus major/official “live” ones), and be very fulfilled.
― Bob Dylan's iconic Ray Ban sunglasses (morrisp), Monday, 9 May 2022 14:25 (one year ago) link
As a moderate fan, I feel an outsider as I have probably only listened to about 15 - 20 % of their live catalogue. The sheer size of the catalogue, and number of versions of songs, is intimidating - and then there’s other irritations such as the more annoying cult-like fans, and distaste for the corporate bloat that the whole money-making GD enterprise became (and still is).Great band overall though.
― Luna Schlosser, Monday, 9 May 2022 14:26 (one year ago) link