Mostly Apolitical Thread for Discussing/Venting our Rational/Irrational COVID-19 Fears and Experiences in 2020

the problem with the booster rollout is that at first, people were rightfully pushing back on the idea due to the disparity of available vaccines globally, and the lack of data. but a lot of data has come in since then, and some of these same people are still doubling down that boosters aren't the answer. some even calling a booster rollout "immoral", believing getting more people initial doses to be better.

undoubtedly that's true, but the spread of the disease impacts the entire globe, and if getting a booster could curb the spread more, the virus copies itself less, less chance of variants, etc, and less people dying unnecessarily.

I think the booster opposition introduced too much noise too soon - it went from 'wait and see' to "it's immoral to do it" and often a lack of engagement with the new data or kneejerk dismissal.

I don't think "why not, couldn't hurt" is very compelling, especially since (1) T-Cell immunity does not wane, and (2) there is evidence of elevated myocarditis risk. It would be helpful to have some kind of information to actually be able to weigh the benefits and risks.

Or even guidance. There isn't even really any clear guidance on who should get the booster when.

well, there's the journal article eephus posted.

E.g. here's someone from the FDA's vaccine panel.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/heart-inflammation-risk-in-young-adults-caused-by-mrna-covid-booster-continues-to-worry-scientists-dr-levy-says.html

Granted, I guess I don't count as a "young adult" anymore. But I'm also relatively low risk overall, both in personal health and amount of contact I have with others or time I spend in crowded settings. So, again, just not seeing a reason to rush out and get one.

man alive, I was actually more sympathetic to your flurry of posts last week, but you're tiring me out. There is no shortage of information in newspaper and scientific journals.

If you don't want to get a booster, don't get one. If you live in a county with a high percentage of fully jabbed people and don't much engage in high-risk activity, it's not a priority.

Like, what are you waiting for here -- a pat in the back?

I traveled last weekend. I ate indoors in a city requiring proof of vaccination and ID. I see more travel in my future. Therefore, getting a booster in late September made sense.

If you don't travel, eat indoors, see many strangers, forget the booster.

As I understand it, the elevated myocarditis risk affects maybe one in 50,000, mostly affects young (like teenaged and young adult) men, and is usually both temporary and mild. The study in Israel identified a handful of cases out of millions of boosters given:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-reports-very-few-myocarditis-cases-after-pfizer-boosters-2021-10-01/

lol at summarizing the booster narrative as "why not, couldn't hurt?"

seems like you already know the answer and asking the board was a pretense

v funny to me that you care about the extremely negligible risk of contracting myocarditis from the booster but also think we shouldn't worry about immunocompromised people at all

Is there anything good to read about how to evaluate whether to get a booster? I'm trying to understand (1) how much my risk would have increased by "waning" antibodies by now (2) how much a booster decreases that risk and (3) whether the booster has any benefit in decreasing the likelihood I'd get infected and transmit to someone else, even aside from any risk I'd have of severe illness. If I'm not at a dramatically increased risk myself and it's not going to have a big impact on my likelihood of transmission, I'm not eager to get one.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:23 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

You aren't trying to understand anything you fucking wingnut.

again, the New England Journal of Medicine article:

RESULTS
At least 12 days after the booster dose, the rate of confirmed infection was lower in the booster group than in the nonbooster group by a factor of 11.3 (95% confidence interval [CI], 10.4 to 12.3); the rate of severe illness was lower by a factor of 19.5 (95% CI, 12.9 to 29.5). In a secondary analysis, the rate of confirmed infection at least 12 days after vaccination was lower than the rate after 4 to 6 days by a factor of 5.4 (95% CI, 4.8 to 6.1).

CONCLUSIONS
In this study involving participants who were 60 years of age or older and had received two doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine at least 5 months earlier, we found that the rates of confirmed Covid-19 and severe illness were substantially lower among those who received a booster (third) dose of the BNT162b2 vaccine.

Like they can go anywhere else on the Internet or social media talk about vaccine risks and get all the "information" they are looking for but they have to talk about it here.

*and talk

Someone make a thread that we can bump wherever man alive wants attention, otherwise it’s going to be like


five years pass

Should I get the new new covid booster? I mean it’s entirely optional and there’s a lot of reading out there but I don’t see how it’ll affect me

Valuable resource for man alive:

There is no vaccine hesitancy like that of a 9-year-old staring down the glint of a hypodermic needle

And there is no remedy quite like Ollie, a 6-year-old goldendoodle therapy dog who is helping kids at Rady Children's Hospital-San Diego overcome it https://t.co/A9vb9mcHgW 1/5 pic.twitter.com/3oQEKbSdl5

— Reuters (@Reuters) November 16, 2021

We had a therapy police dog at the vaccine clinics I worked last week, its name was Pawcifer Howie.

The opposite:

Evil twin went first, barely felt the needle, and then turned to her siblings with a huge wicked smile and said,“wow that hurt a LOT.” Chaos ensued. She is not yet forgiven.

Anyhoo, Covid vaccine #1 in the deltoid. pic.twitter.com/zcmtnHbbUl

— Esther Choo MD MPH (@choo_ek) November 14, 2021

We had a therapy police dog at the vaccine clinics I worked last week, its name was Pawcifer Howie.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:35 AM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sorry not sorry, but the correct thing to do in this situation is to steal the dog, name it Howie, and train it to bite cops.

So many beautiful dog breeds absolutely fucking tarnished by their association with jack-booted thugs.

apologies if this is prolonging an already stupid argument, but I am genuinely confused about when I'm supposed to get my booster. I was under the impression that it was supposed to be 8 months after the last shot. As far as I can tell, the CDC hasn't said anything concrete about people under 65 with no underlying conditions. I imagine it's probably fine to just go do it, but I've been waiting for the powers that be to actually say "go", and I don't want to jump in if I'm supposed to wait.

It's six months after the second shot.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/booster-shot.html

but that doesn't say anything about under 65 with no underlying conditions, the only time that any kind of guidance was given to the general public in the US was an informal announcement and they said 8 months

"People who received a primary mRNA COVID-19 vaccine series and are 18-49 years old with underlying medical conditions, or 18 years and older who work or live in high-risk settings may receive a booster shot at least 6 months after completing the primary series (which may include an additional primary dose in persons with moderate to severe immunocompromise)."

They're not going to ask if you're in a high-risk setting. Don't worry about it.

We live in COVIDworld. Every setting is high-risk.

I work and live at home. I totally understand that I can get the booster anytime I want. I guess I'm just a stickler for the rules and feel like I'm supposed to wait my turn.

Sorry not sorry: Any dog who is working in a medical capacity needs to be immediately renamed DOOGIE BOWSER M.D. and I will not back off from this conviction.

only if it's a dog that went to college at age 2

I guess I'm just a stickler for the rules and feel like I'm supposed to wait my turn.

If you live in the United States, there's more than enough vaccine. NYC's already recommended all adults get boosters. So it's up to you.

Half the country doesn't even *want* a vaccine, any of it, let alone a third dose, and vaccine unused is (afaict) vaccine that will be eventually thrown out. There is no shortage, there are no more turns, if you want the vaccine you can get it, and it's free. Covid is everywhere, and by getting a vaccine/booster you're at the very least cutting down the chance you will get and spread covid, which helps everyone.

Even if it only functions as meaningless anecdata, it would be intersting to know if anyone itt has had any lasting side effects or bad reactions to the various vaccines or if they know anyone who has. Gonna go out on a limb and guess the overwhelming response would be 'no'.

I didn't even schedule for my booster. I went in for a flu shot and almost as if I were passing a dude on the street handing out free cans of Monster I was all like 'oh, hey, could I get one of those?' It was pretty effortless.

No lasting side effects that I've heard of

I actually just did a walk in flu shot on a whim a few days ago, may go back to that CVS and see what's up. If I want to make an actual appointment, I'm looking at a week out or more.

My PCP's office won't give flu and covid shots on the same day, with the argument "if you have bad side effects, we won't know which shot gave them to you." I got my flu shot last week and will get my booster next week.

From my experience with the booster, it was actually *better* than the second dose. I was able to do a lot of stuff and didn't feel as feverish/tired. Only difference was that my arm hurt quite a bit more, but compared to chemo, it was a breeze...as most things are, tbh!

I had the flu shot last Tuesday and booster on Saturday. No side effects from either and I feel quite privileged and fortunate to be ahead of others in my age group because I'm a carer. Getting ill is not an option and thank fuck for vaccines.

I got my booster on Friday, I teach in person 3 days a week but nobody checked on anything at all and there are dozens of places around to get one. No side effects, no guilt.

The university I work for has about 12,000 employees and ended up firing 96 of them for not getting vaccinated, or .8% total which is a way smaller number than I had expected.

i got my trial re-booster yesterday and can't stop fucking farting. my mother is getting mad but i'm not doing it on purpose.

i mean the other side effects are the usual but this one sucks.

There's no control in that experiment, maybe you would just be farting all the time, anyway.

I only learned belatedly that the Moderna booster is (iiuc) a half dose of the original Moderna vaccine, while the Pfizer booster is a full dose. I got Moderna vaccine originally and Pfizer booster, so it's hard to say if whatever (mild) side effects I got after the Pfizer booster I would have also gotten with the Moderna booster. I do know the effects of the Pfizer booster were not as bad as the effects of the Moderna booster, but different things affect different people in different ways at different times, so who knows. All I know is that all of the effects were mild.

NEW: first bit of data out of @UKHSA early this Monday morning is a study on booster effectiveness, trailed by JVT in press conference

Real-world study from England shows *very* high effectiveness (>90%) against symptomatic infection vs unvaccinated

{https://t.co/giB44eRVu4} pic.twitter.com/rTUyO9stqi

— Meaghan Kall (@kallmemeg) November 15, 2021

lmao at saying "t-cell immunity doesn't wane" (wtf does this even mean?) about a group in which vaccine effectiveness dropped from 90%+ to 60%.

and once again, if you're planning to take a trip outside the US again in your lifetime, you're going to need three doses.

apologies if this is prolonging an already stupid argument, but I am genuinely confused about when I'm supposed to get my booster. I was under the impression that it was supposed to be 8 months after the last shot. As far as I can tell, the CDC hasn't said anything concrete about people under 65 with no underlying conditions. I imagine it's probably fine to just go do it, but I've been waiting for the powers that be to actually say "go", and I don't want to jump in if I'm supposed to wait.

where do you live? many states are being more liberal than the CDC recommendations and saying anyone over 18 after 6 months (CA, CO, NY that i know of).

the CDC recommended wait is 6 months (the whitehouse got ahead of the CDC in september iirc and said something about "8 months", which the CDC ignored) and their definition of "underlying condition" covers literally 80% of the adult population of the united states (BMI > 25, mood disorders, etc.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html.

Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five BladesShots

lmao at saying "t-cell immunity doesn't wane" (wtf does this even mean?) about a group in which vaccine effectiveness dropped from 90%+ to 60%.

remember, dude thinks testing for covid is unnecessary bcz he can just tell when people have it

Update: feeling a little more run down after my round of injections yesterday, have completely reversed course on booster advisability and will be undergoing intensive cupping + leech sesh to remove the 5G from my blood and maybe just getting rid of my blood altogether if necessary. Mild fatigue is absolutely where I draw the line.

I live in Texas

xxxp

zero negative effects from initial two moderna shots or from booster