HBO's Succession - Season 2 and Beyond

I loved this episode for showing both Kendall AND Logan getting played for absolute fools at the same time. Obviously Logan knew it going in, so he was going to play along, no matter what - it's part of the territory for him. Watching it slowly dawn on Kendall was great tho.

the weighted silences in this episode were even more intense than normal, its wild to watch logan & kendall, and the brody character too, all gaming what they *think* should be said but no one really coming out and saying anything real for fear it will hurt their standing, power etc

even logan saying what he says about kendall, which while likely somewhat genuine is also the sharpest knife possible given all that kendall is giving up to hold his current position. saying THAT now, that is like the emotional soap in the sock beating and you can see in the moment how much he does AND doesnt want to acknowledge it without saying a word about it

seems like were headed for tom turning government witness

yeah it would seem thats coming

naw, he's going to jail and converting to Judaism

or that

Matthew Macfadyen is just light-years ahead of all the other actors in this show

i do v much want him to go to jail, primarily for reasons involving the production and imbibing of toilet wine

xpost but there are literally no bad actors in the main cast

i really felt it when he was talking about how good the cold wine is

xpost but there are literally no bad actors in the main cast

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, November 8, 2021 2:41 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

That's the thing about this show, there are a million thinkpieces about "what makes it so compelling" and "do people like or hate these characters" or whatever but I think it is extremely simple, we are watching a bunch of actors who are extremely good at acting and that is inherently enjoyable.

hard disagree!

The funny part (which I hope continues to evolve) is that Tom is so anxious in a masochistic way to play his role and sacrifice himself, but no one around him really cares or wants to fit this desire into the family's strategies.

lol yeah theyre all in denial about the investigation, totally focused on their power struggle

Yeah, agree that the whole investigation is treated as a minor issue/collateral damage, something for the wage slave mortals to deal with, the godly Roy's are busy throwing thunderbolts at each other, from remote islands and helicopters in the sky. I think the acting has always been the draw here as the characters are often unpleasant, but weirdly fun. I wince at and yet adore the nastiness on show, in this corperate backstabathon...as mentioned Tom's unloved masochism, Connor's sneering conservatism, Roman vicious childish tongue, Shiv's cold, transactional demands, Kendell's vacant social media greasiness....it's 6d chess with the divil himself, Logan. I like that they revisited Logan's infirmness and ill health again, it's a key driver in the succession story, the clocks always ticking and the pieces are having to move accordingly

Greg meeting Logan was almost unwatchable, like I can't fathom them being in the same universe let alone Greg trying to casually have a drink with his uncle. It was sublime, obviously.

so good

i rewatched this ep at lunchtime & noticed the weird dynamic between kendall & logan when logan is clearly having difficulty but keeps refusing help and kendall keeps letting it go & making excuses -
but it’s not to put him under.
i think it’s instinctive, like he’s weirdly protecting his dad from any appearance of weakness. in their family the “caring” thing to do is to help keep up the charade

like brody takes all of that to mean the family dynamic is broken and as an outsider he’s right, but in the fucked up, upside down world of the Roys, if anything it shows that kendall still cares? lol. its so crazy.

the irl island mansion

Logan and Kendall visited this Wainscott, NY home on tonight’s episode of Succession. It was mostly recently listed for $49.5 million but was taken off the market.

6 bd, 11 ba
11,000 sf
2.55 acreshttps://t.co/mcR6F9t16A pic.twitter.com/uzIAwVYUES

— Zillow Gone Wild (@zillowgonewild) November 8, 2021

love to spend 49.5 million dollars on a house that looks like a hospital

most of the $50m houses out there look like this https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/232-Gibson-Ln-Sagaponack-NY-11962/142505411_zpid/

they had to show you just how much of an asshole brody is

i have noticed with these mamsions there are often at least 2 bathrooms for every 1 bedroom, ratio wise. SO many bathrooms

mansions, even

rich people like to let their toilets rest a while after taking a shit in them

Why did they need to fly to the hamptons? Can’t a helicopter do that?

ever heard of an air transportation flex

the meeting scene was some crazy good acting and writing, I absolutely could not tell if Brody was lying about his kid being sick, could not tell if he and logan had colluded first, could not tell if logan was faking a heart attack (at first). amazing.

the three registers of Brody relationships we saw - to the supplicant (Kendall), to the serious-person-he-is-attempting-to-force-treat-as-a-peer (Logan), to the one he wants something from (Stewy) - were superbly done.

this show is somehow both sublime and totally trashy at the same time

the sweet spot

So the creator has talked about 1-2 more seasons and the fact that *someone* has to step up.

So who do we think is going to "succeed" Logan

*maybet Kendall? though there have been too many close ups this season of watching his face sink (closing shot this week, him walking down the hallway last week).
*Shiv got iced this week by Logan, though she gets shit done.
*Not Roman, right? It would almost be too funny.
*Same w/Greg
*I hope it's not some outsider. Gotta be one of the kids.

I almost think Shiv, though she's gonna have to get through Karl and Frank and that might be hilarious

Maybe it will be Kendall?

Also this season needs more Stewey because I hate him so much

greg will definitely be CEO in the last scene of the series - the opening of the series demands it

but i find it hard to justify a real plot arc around this, so most likely it's a last-minute lol at the end

narrative demands mean that Roman will get the chance to be CEO but will make "the wiser choice"

which leaves Shiv and Kendall, battling it out in the show's final episodes (after logan dies). probably shiv gets it but then ends up somehow being humiliated/defeated for her hubris?

and then, yeah, greg

Kendall also has that security guard who last week was all I know what you did in England at that wedding

Yeah what's the explanation for why Logan hasn't exposed Kendall as a murderer? Is the idea that it would kill their ability to survive Stewy? But if that's the reason, doesn't Kendall know he's dead meet once/if the Roys win the shareholder vote?

Yeah, I think it's just that a serious murder investigation will definitely trump *allegations*, which the Roy family thinks they can just handwave away and evade, as per usual. A murder investigation would almost certainly chase the shareholders away immediately.

The show does seem set up to tell Greg's ascent from nothing to the top, or at least Greg as the only one who carries on the family business at all.

I sometimes have trouble following the business machinations. What did Shiv do that was so bad? Just being pushy with Frank and Karl?

My take was that one of them whined to Logan about her micromanaging them.

Yeah what's the explanation for why Logan hasn't exposed Kendall as a murderer?

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, November 9, 2021 9:15 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

well logan was involved in the cover up

also just he wouldnt go that far

xp OK that is a good point

I sometimes have trouble following the business machinations. What did Shiv do that was so bad? Just being pushy with Frank and Karl?

― dan selzer, Tuesday, November 9, 2021 9:59 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

shes just walking around like a big baby shes got no finesse no sense for the people shes working with what the power dynamics are what shes knows and doesnt know, like in that scene she just needs to let frank and karl do their work not have a lil tantrum about how shes supposed to be the boss or whatever

pretty good depiction of inexperience, shes has ideas of how things should work but she doesnt really know

amazing ep. small things i enjoyed:
roman saying "after me" as he barges through the door someone else is holding open
greg ordering and then chugging a rum and coke before opining about the '60s
connor (sp?) shifting from passive doofus to assertive doofus

the entire greg & tom scene was amazing, there hasn't been enough greg & tom yet this season

btw mansions have two bathrooms per bedroom because you need an extra bathroom to make your toilet wine

when does connor get to run the company

poor connor lol

roman saying "after me" as he barges through the door someone else is holding open

yes, I loved this.

connor v raisin primary gonna be lit

feel like we're getting bang for our buck with tom and greg this season--i like it. That scene last night was amazing.

Just figured out now they call the President the Raisin. Somehow missed that.

This season has been exceptionally good except for the second episode. I'll be watching it and think "I can't wait to rewatch this"