Underworld - Drift

which of the songs on Drift are the coolest, Robbie?

& also particularly at odds with robbie's previous complaint, "ex-libertines fan discovers dance music, nme-approved trance" makes them sound pretty uncool!

mega mega cool

& also particularly at odds with robbie's previous complaint, "ex-libertines fan discovers dance music, nme-approved trance" makes them sound pretty uncool!
― ufo, Friday, 5 November 2021

You must not be aware of trance being the cool thing in the dance music press now. Lorenzo Senni, Evian Christ etc. We're even, shock horror, having a full on sasha and sewer-digging--crapshoot revival with the likes of Adam Pits, Lisene, and the australian lot, Guy something.

which of the songs on Drift are the coolest, Robbie?
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 5 November 2021

All of them, where's the schranz? That's what would really make it great and uncool for me.

Hundred Weight Hammer is pretty rad

Ok put on Ring Road then
― frogbs, Friday, 5 November 2021

how about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JuLV93OQOs

dance music ilx really doesn't need a toxic psycho "gifted child" asshole right now imo, so i'm fp-ing and not engaging and i would encourage others to do the same.

i mean Underworld mk1 aka the uncool years... cmon?

Sorry to overstate with nasty pejoratives but this person is not a good faith actor

also true

Sorry to overstate with nasty pejoratives but this person is not a good faith actor
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, 5 November 2021

No need to apologise, just have the balls to say it.

You’re not a good faith actor and you have terrible taste

You’re not a good faith actor and you have terrible taste
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 6 November 2021

I don't care, I do not believe in the irrevocability of the beautiful, unlike Kant and dance music ilx. Nothing wrong with the terrible.

No need to apologise, just have the balls to say it.

― RobbiePires, Saturday, November 6, 2021 1:05 AM (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh this apology wasn't intended for you, believe me

oh this apology wasn't intended for you, believe me
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Saturday, 6 November 2021

Thank heavens for that. I would not like to be in your debt. Shame for the other poor souls, though.

You must not be aware of trance being the cool thing in the dance music press now. Lorenzo Senni, Evian Christ etc.

This was semi-true five years ago and Evian Christ probably peaked attention-wise in 2013!

This was semi-true five years ago and Evian Christ probably peaked attention-wise in 2013!
― mh, Sunday, 7 November 2021

As far as I'm aware the ritual backlash against trance hasn't happened though as one would expect it to. If anything, it's all over a lot of contemporary techno and house, see that Roza Terenzi album - sounds like a record which would have come out from the English prog superclub scene of the 90s.

It's possible you spend way more time thinking about trance than anyone else here.

It feels like this attempt to pin a particular musical trend or affiliation on Underworld. They’re electronic dance music for NME readers, they’re trance, they’re a crossover act. Sure, they’ve probably been all those things. I guess if any of those disqualify you from enjoying their music, then don’t bother?

It feels like this attempt to pin a particular musical trend or affiliation on Underworld. They’re electronic dance music for NME readers, they’re trance, they’re a crossover act. Sure, they’ve probably been all those things. I guess if any of those disqualify you from enjoying their music, then don’t bother?
― mh, Sunday, 7 November 2021

It's more that I just don't get the appeal. They had their 90s lager lout moments with the first album and born slippy - which I don't necessarily like but I can at least appreciate as a reflection of a particularly mid 90s British cultural moment. Now they just seem to be piggybacking over whichever populist trend will make them vaguely relevant, which is kind of sad and tryhard.

Which populist trend does each song on Drift piggyback over?

(also wouldn’t piggybacking on the trends be tryharder-y?)

i'm not going to listen to all 7000 minutes of that abomination to offer an accurate assessment. polemic is the spice of criticism.

appleshine continuum is truly funkless, though.

polemic is the spice of criticism

Ah, to be 19 again...

the nostalgic impulse is strong, is it not? I suppose if I was paid I could listen to the whole prog opus which would make Steve Wilson embarrassed with shame for his Porcupine Tree albums not being long enough.

“funkless” is a populist trend? when did this start? I

after 2011.

the death of both the UK and Euro hardcore continuums, the gothification of industrial techno, lo fi house, the victory of tech house.

the rehabilitation of new agey aesthetics, the turning away from degenerecy, filth, smut. airports rather than bunkers. no more friction.

parklife!

their finest moment, darren emerson knew a thing or two about the funk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGWx5EPdz7w

Nothing else really like it in their discography.

i'm not going to listen to all 7000 minutes of that […] Nothing else really like it in their discography.

🧐

just listen to paul hardcastle - king tut m8.

Just point yourself in the direction of your dreams
Find your strength in the egyptology melodics
And make your transition into becoming a tyranical pharoah.

It's more that I just don't get the appeal. They had their 90s lager lout moments with the first album and born slippy - which I don't necessarily like but I can at least appreciate as a reflection of a particularly mid 90s British cultural moment. Now they just seem to be piggybacking over whichever populist trend will make them vaguely relevant, which is kind of sad and tryhard.

― toxic psycho "gifted child" asshole (RobbiePires), Sunday, 7 November 2021 23:07 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Can I please come and live in whichever universe you're in, where the delicious 11-minute spoken word beauty of 'Dune' is considered a populist trend.

As far as I'm aware the ritual backlash against trance hasn't happened though as one would expect it to. If anything, it's all over a lot of contemporary techno and house, see that Roza Terenzi album - sounds like a record which would have come out from the English prog superclub scene of the 90s.

― toxic psycho "gifted child" asshole (RobbiePires), Sunday, 7 November 2021 17:15 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

the death of both the UK and Euro hardcore continuums, the gothification of industrial techno, lo fi house, the victory of tech house.

― toxic psycho "gifted child" asshole (RobbiePires), Monday, 8 November 2021 00:22 (three hours ago) link

the rehabilitation of new agey aesthetics, the turning away from degenerecy, filth, smut. airports rather than bunkers. no more friction.

― toxic psycho "gifted child" asshole (RobbiePires), Monday, 8 November 2021 00:24 (three hours ago) link

This feels like a convenient narrative folding in the last thirty years of dance music, which could make sense if one is applying a reynolds circa 1995 lens and not directly engaging with events on the ground and/or how sonics change meaning over time as the social context for them also changes.

In particular, I can see how for soapbox purposes it might be tempting to set up this oppositional narrative where trance and new agey aesthetics are opposed to degeneracy, filth and smut ("airports rather than bunkers") - but that rests on a bunch of unspoken assumptions regarding who is currently listening to trancey techno with new agey motifs, why, how, and what all those choices mean.

First, if we're gonna conflate Roza Terenzi with trance or prog-house revivalism (and why single out her? Bicep both make more sense and are a better stand-in for "mainstream" trends; Modern Love sounds more like B12's Time Tourist in truth), it's important to note that her scene is not really about reviving trance (or prog-house) per se but is rather stealing ideas from trance, techno, 2-step, electro, IDM and breakbeat (circa 1999).

That's hardly unprecedented or something that in broad terms wasn't happening in the 90s necessarily, but prog-house and trance went there only briefly and kind of by accident - the East Coast edition of Northern Exposure 2 is my standard reference point here, but even that's not a great fit; certainly we're not talking about Tripomatic Fairytales or An Accident In Paradise or Vorsprung Dyk Technik or Ima or even Northern Exposure 1. A more accurate but more boring comparison might be the Plank and End labels - although again that might well be accidental. Sonically, I tend to think the particular constellation of stylistic influences at least implies a certain exhaustion with house, which as a rhythmic template has been broadly dominant for the last 20 years or so.

None of which is to deny that on occasion artists within this scene play with more overtly trance signifiers, or that there isn't a lot of more (sometimes overlapping but most unrelated) straightforward 90s trance revivalism at the moment within hard techno scenes - though whether it's framed as a fashion thing (say, Charlotte de Witte remixing Age of Love) or as just people doing basically what they've always done (say, Chris Liebling) largely depends on the examples you point to.

What's the attraction of trance revivalism for people at the moment? IME it has been embraced most enthusiastically at clubs and parties that promote themselves as very queer, with a strong emphasis on trans and gender fluid audiences. They're typically very sex positive, costume heavy (craft-ish dress-ups somewhere between ravey and titillating) and druggy - a lot of ketamine, acid, nangs, pills and amyl. They're also often rudimentary / outdoorsy set-ups: bush doofs and illegal parties in parks and nature reserves rather than big clubs (what clubs I've heard this music in tend to the smaller side - and yes, often they're in basements). I read the new age / PLUR vibes as being in part about reviving the pageantry of nineties rave and in part because the utopianism of the music seems to chime in with the "we're making a future society" dreams (or more cynically, pretensions) of a lot of the audience. But a big part of it is probably just that trance is druggy, and in particular works well with ketamine.

I'm not going to make grand claims for any of the above - there's nothing terribly earth-shattering about young people taking drugs and trying to make their home-brand versions of Burning Man - but I'm dubious of attempts to project some binary of dance music which is middle-class/safe/white/sexless/funkless/commodified/ versus the edgy and exciting and sexy music of the intransigent working class youth or whatever - seems like it's a lot harder to make stick in 2021 than it was in 1995. (in any event: "proper hard techno, gabba, psychodelic acidic mayhem, industrial freakbeats, dub abstraction" - this just sounds like a DJ mix for an art gallery installation at this point, other than that I'm not convinced "industrial freakbeats" is a thing).

Not that any of this has that much to do with underworld, mind. But then you seem to be mashing together a whole bunch of only-tenuously-connected-or-reality-based propositions, so maybe that isn't really surprising.

their finest moment, darren emerson knew a thing or two about the funk.

Nothing else really like it in their discography.

― toxic psycho "gifted child" asshole (RobbiePires), Monday, 8 November 2021 00:43 (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Great track, sure, but isn't it kind of boring / tired / small-minded to just check for their one blatant martian tribute?

Does killfile still work on this thing?

I'm dubious of attempts to project some binary of dance music which is middle-class/safe/white/sexless/funkless/commodified/ versus the edgy and exciting and sexy music of the intransigent working class youth or whatever - seems like it's a lot harder to make stick in 2021 than it was in 1995. (in any event: "proper hard techno, gabba, psychodelic acidic mayhem, industrial freakbeats, dub abstraction" - this just sounds like a DJ mix for an art gallery installation at this point, other than that I'm not convinced "industrial freakbeats" is a thing).
― Tim F, Monday, 8 November 2021

ha. Industrial freakbeats was coined by DJ Kovert (of praxis fame) an area of hardcore I don't think you have ever had much interest in (so I can't take much credit for that one, I'm afraid.)

Again I don't have an issue with trance, my issue is with the pilfering of the most tired and stayed aspects of it, why not for instance reference old 150+ bpm german hardtrance, played by the likes of M Zone at all the big raves? or even if we're chiming in with the queer angle, Tony De Vit style big pianos/hoovers handbag and hard house? Must I remind you of your posts on dubstep vs UK funky in 06-07? Insofar as there is any sort of class dichotomy, it's about dilution rather than an opposition.

This could almost be a thread of its own: whether there is any contemporary dance music that is not apt to be described as insufferably middle class and conservative at this point.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 26 October 2021

I mean this might be completely true, but then cue hungry wives song, where do we go?

also nothing wrong with funklessness, but only and only if the music in question fully embraces it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuluJnFRE-0

It's possible you spend way more time thinking about trance than anyone else here.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 7 November 2021

Perhaps. It has mystified me after I dropped 15 tabs of lsd one saturday evening completely in an alternate reality, whizz bang explosions, pyrotechnics, saddam hussain being skewered into a kebab, and yet, still, i couldn't enjoy it when the hosts put it on.

revisiting the drift sampler today. amazing how it's their best record since beaucoup fish and yet only hints at the brilliance of the overall project

my only real nitpick is that a lot of the tracks may have benefitted from a proper studio master...the hi-hats are too sharp and some of the tracks sound kinda thin. like listen to the loop in "Big Bear", it's almost like it was mastered for laptop speakers. though I guess if they'd taken the time to do all that it would've messed with the concept of the project. most of it does sound really good.

curious what they've been up to since this wrapped up. Karl made it sound like they were still in the midst of a big creative outburst but we've heard virtually nothing since the pandemic started.

still haven't listened properly to Drift

Beaucoup Fish was and will always be one of my favorite albums from the 90s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLDOLgxuii8