Trans Politics, Trans Activism, also 'rolling is this transphobic?' thread

I'll stop posting on this thread now.

― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Thursday, 4 November 2021 00:38 (fourteen hours ago) link

Feel free to stop any time now.

admonishing someone who is directly supporting a transphobic hate group & elsewhere in the replies defines homosexuality as only being about same-"biological sex" attraction for being weird & obsessed with genitals is not at all objectionable

like this is very clear that captcha is determined to read everything in the worst faith possible

BBC removed the Lily Cade quotes and added:

We have updated this article, published last week, to remove a contribution from one individual in light of comments she has published on blog posts in recent days, which we have been able to verify.

We acknowledge that an admission of inappropriate behaviour by the same contributor should have been included in the original article.

"Inappropriate behaviour" is one way of describing rape accusations, I guess.

How strange to find that these totally legitimate concerns are being propagated in this reasonable form by individuals who are quite demonstrably motivated by wild hatred

"Inappropriate behaviour" is one way of describing rape accusations, I guess.

Not even just accusations, she has admitted to sexual harassment and assault. Honestly, despite the very low expectations I had, I'm still shocked that this wasn't enough for them to take the whole article down.

i think the article reporting statistical findings from a small internet survey by a hate group is well in breach of their accuracy guidelines too and bizarre they have found fit to defend it given in the past they have declined to report on a high profile BMJ article due to questions about its validity.

i've read a lot of deluded transphobic rants in my time but very few that have built up to "yes i am a rapist," pretty impressive

plax i hope you resubmit your complaint as what i’ve seen of it is very well worded.

“I know someone that walked out the other day over the article. I know someone else that left a couple of months ago. I know about eight trans people that left the organisation in the past 12 months because they don’t believe that the BBC is impartial anymore,” said one current BBC employee on the call.

some pretty shocking accounts there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4buJMMiwcg

That's about the size of it.

uk people, this is an incredible doc:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000xh73/storyville-petite-fille

texas activism. they are taking donations.

https://www.transtexas.org

^ only in the US tho, so get on it American ilxors

aww one of my former students works for TENT. they’re a great org.

The author is having quite a weekend (I won’t link to her tl but here’s some of who she’s been talking with & apparently following now I guess?)

JK Rowling sending love to the UK Campaign director for one of the world's largest anti LGBT anti women's rights religious pressure groups.

Heartwarming. https://t.co/fPRvvT3xtn

— Mallory Moore🏴 (@Chican3ry) March 12, 2022

Anti-trans troll Matt Walsh is after the transgender health clinic at Vanderbilt University Medical Center — specifically its healthcare for trans adolescents. And all it's taken is a few tweets by him to get our governor and state attorney general to launch "an investigation" into what everyone knows is by far the best hospital in the state. Ugly shit.

https://www.wsmv.com/2022/09/21/gov-lee-claims-against-vanderbilt-transgender-health-clinic-warrants-thorough-investigation/

Matt Walsh is seriously one of the worst human beings alive, and if there was literally any decency in the world, he would get mowed down by a semi-truck.

he use to be just a pathetic blogger, now he's actually putting people in crosshairs.

He is awfully fixated on other people's identities.

so i guess there's a couple interlocking problems here, let's break them down

1. youtube platforms matt walsh

this guy is huge, he's all over youtube with pretty overt hate speech, and youtube is absolutely fine with this. because of monopoly capitalism it's not like most of us have any viable alternatives for video streaming. this also limits the pressure people who are, like, against genocide of trans folks can exert on youtube.

2. republican control of tn

the republican party nationally has made perpetrating bigotry against trans people a key plank of their 2022 platform. i argue with friends sometimes whether they really want us dead or whether they're just killing us in a cynical ploy for votes. i mean we're just as dead either way, it's kind of a "do angels shit" debate (for the record, i'll say that yes, angels absolutely do shit).

i'd feel better about all of this if i had the feeling anybody in a position of power was taking any of this remotely seriously. this is not a difficult problem to deal with. matt walsh could be gone tomorrow. one day he will be gone, just like fuckin' milo is gone, just like kiwifarms is gone, and the threat level trans people face on a daily basis will be significantly de-escalated. boy, a fuck of a lot of us sure do wind up dying by the time anybody in power is willing to acknowledge the threat.

when somebody acts it _will_ be youtube, i'm pretty confident. this isn't because youtube are any more principled than people in nominal positions of power, but at this point the united states as a polity is basically a post-democratic necrostate. this both (1) prevents official institutions of power from taking any steps against fairly openly genocidal policies being autocratically enacted on a state level (who wants to be america's anthony eden?) and (2) gives corporate institutions unusually wide latitude to do what they want without fear of punitive government action against them.

if you're wondering how all this winds up affecting actual trans people, this world is Hell and i want to die.

(of course, my experience is only anecdotal. i am _unusually_ privileged. most trans people don't have it quite so good as me.)

Ugh, now Vanderbilt has taken down the entire website for its transgender health clinic. This is the leading transgender clinic in the whole state. At the moment it's just a 404.

Yet another sham investigation by GOP politicians based on some dumb cuntbeard's Twitter shit posts

At this point why even pretend to do an investigation. Just say "we heard y'all were doing this", it's basically the same thing and you have more time to drink beer and beat off to Golan-Globus flicks after.

Ugh . This is so fucked. Guessing the site being down is probably hateful internet trolls DDOSing it or something.

Nah that can't be it. Wouldn't look like that if it was.

Perhaps they're trying to avoid people calling and clogging up the phone lines/sending hateful emails. But coming at a real cost to patients at the moment.

My guess is the lawyers said to take it all down until they could review everything. Walsh quoted from a video posted on the website, where a doctor said that the clinic had actually been profitable for the hospital, so it had good institutional support. That of course has been spun into (per a chyron for Walsh's appearance on Tucker Carlson tonight) "Vanderbilt Ghouls Castrate Kids for Big Profit."

Walsh and Rufo and that whole ilk really are the very worst people.

i don't know how to explain how i feel when shit like this goes down. sickened, of course, but you know, there aren't enough _words_ for all the different sorts of disgust i've felt over the past couple of years. i'm gonna try it. a taxonomy of disgust, if you will.

i mean, there's the obvious level. tennessee republicans are going to shut down a medical clinic providing life-saving healthcare to kids on the basis of lies which were completely made up by a grifter. that to me is like... baseline. that's ordinary disgust. that's the level of disgust i feel getting out of bed in the morning.

more disgusting, to me, is how obvious and inevitable this all is. frankly it's more surprising to me that anybody, kids or adults, was able to get any sort of trans affirming healthcare in tennessee at all. they have a fucking bathroom bill, for god's sake! they past a bill making it illegal for trans people to fucking take a dump in their state, which is ironic considering how much effort they've put into turning their entire state into one enormous shithole. given that i as a trans person am legally barred from using toilets in their state, i can't find it within me to be terribly surprised that they're not going to refill my estrogen scrip either.

so let's get to next-level disgust, how many of y'all remember that happening? like, this isn't a call-out, i'm not disgusted at any of you _personally_, it's more the situation. six months ago tennessee passed a draconian law making it effectively illegal for me to micturate in public restrooms within their fair state and gee, you know, it's a busy year i guess. so here we are _again_ with a draconian anti-trans policy put into place by a regime that's pretty much openly genocidal against trans people and what does it affect?

i mean, for god's sake, do y'all have any idea how terrifying _airports_ are for a lot of us? i'm middle-aged and i have friends who fly for work and you know, i guess it's fine, we get booked on our connecting flight through dallas or SLC and jesus christ it's terrifying. one of my friends, christ, she's still traumatized, she was flying out of fucking _SFO_ last week and they decided to choose for for one of those fun full-body scans. it was brutal, dehumanizing, intensely traumatic, and you know that's just _normal_, that's just _part of being trans_. this is flying from _one of the most trans-positive cities in the world_ to _another of the most trans-positive cities in the world_. i mean if we don't let TSA intensely scrutinize trans people's genitals on a whim, doesn't that mean the terrorists win?

but you know, it's not like any of this is anything _new_. and that - again, i'm not calling anybody out personally. nothing that the people who are actively advocating for anti-trans genocide are doing is anything that wasn't considered _normal and ordinary_ 25 years ago. and i don't mean by _cis people_, i mean _i_ considered it normal and ordinary. the victims, you see, the ones who suffer most, they're not the patients. they're the ones who aren't getting a chance to _be_ patients. once you get to vanderbilt, you got a pretty good idea who you are and what you need. if you can't get it from vanderbilt, well, there are other places that can help. ending the Transsexual Menace isn't as simple as denying us care. you have to keep us from _existing_. and the way that was done 25 years ago? that doesn't _work_ anymore. we _were_ all that ignorant 25 years ago, nearly all of us, and now only about, you know, half of us are.

and that, that, is the final layer of disgust, the cherry stone on top of the faeces-cake. they're just killing these kids out of sheer malice, really. it's not going to gain them anything. they're not going to Defeat the Transgender Agenda. they're making a pile of dead kids just for the hell of it, as far as I can figure out.

well, i guess if i don't like that i should vote for the democrats this november, right? that's my option?

This week I heard The Guardian referred to as TERF daily is that a widespread perspective? I only pick it up for the review sections anyway.

yes - the guardian was/is pretty much the vanguard of UK/anglo terfism along with other british liberal outlets. i think there has been some mild pushback from guardian-US but not enough

(it took explicit right wingers longer to adopt specifically terf rhetoric but they're running with it obsessively now making liberal/terf and christian/tory/fascist transphobia increasingly indistinguishable - not sure how useful such distinctions are except that the right wingers tend to be positions of political power while the liberals are concentrated in media). in the UK at least trans people have almost no defenders in media and politics outside the "hard left" (i.e. semi-mainstream activists and commentators who are slightly to the left of acceptable liberal opinion) and not even reliably there (where it's limited and so often blase that it's hard to shake the feeling of many cis leftists only *opposing* terfs to "own the libs" - a perverse mostly UK-specific phenomenon I think)

i don't follow these issues as much as i should because the coverage is a reliable way to trigger suicidal ideation (an intended effect - sometimes i think spite is keeping me alive)

i think there has been some mild pushback from guardian-US but not enough

they published a letter condemning the uk guardian's transphobia a few years back & are quite pro-trans in their coverage. guardian australia is quite good on trans issues too, neither has any time for even both sides nonsense let alone the fairly aggressive transphobia of the uk guardian. both are very thankfully editorially independent of their parent

now making liberal/terf and christian/tory/fascist transphobia increasingly indistinguishable

yeah it's not particularly useful & hasn't been for years - there's the occasional one who's truly coming at their transphobia from an oldschool radfem perspective and has actual left-wing credentials of some sort but they're so few and far between & are either happy to throw in with the right anyway or are now just spending their time throwing an ineffectual tantrum about how no one at all agrees with them

pretty much every mainstream uk media outlet is fairly transphobic to some degree, the guardian has just been especially pernicious because it's had columnists who've had transphobia as a weird pet issue for decades & are largely responsible for giving transphobia its liberal respectability in the uk

i mean that's the really fucked up thing, for all the performative cruelty on display in tennessee, things are just as bad in the uk right now, maybe worse. in the uk, you don't _need_ to have someone like matt walsh going through all that hue and cry to shut down trans-affirming care, because nobody can get it.

some years ago, i heard an american liberal say that they thought abortion should be "safe, legal, and rare". i've since had opportunity at length to consider the implications of that statement, understand what it looks like in practice.

the state of gender care in the uk today looks, well, a lot like it did 20 years ago, when people in the us looked with envy at the uk as one of the "best countries in the world" when it comes to care. you think you're trans? great, get on the waiting list to be evaluated at a gender identity clinic. it's covered through the nhs. the wait time, last i heard a couple years back (like left, i haven't exactly been keeping close tabs on the ongoing genocide for self-care reasons), was a couple years. that's to be _evaluated_. that doesn't _actually_ get you on hrt.

they're not saying you _can't_ get care, like the republicans are. they just have to be _sure_. they have to be _absolutely sure_ because these drugs are, you know, they're _very dangerous drugs_. i mean we're not talking about aspirin here, we're talking about _chemical castration_.

matt walsh didn't make up that term. that's genuinely how medical experts described HRT a quarter century ago. it was a "real-life test", an _ordeal_ trans people had to go through in order to get The Surgery. you couldn't prescribe it lightly.

i mean that's where the shit-for-brains republicans in tennessee are coming from, that's why they treat _puberty blockers_ as comparable to _genital reconstruction surgery_. that's what they were _taught_. that's what we were all fucking _taught_.

"chemical castration". are you fucking kidding me? spironalactone, that's the bullshit they promote on fox news as being effective against covid. (it's not effective against covid.)

denying trans people care relies on meticulously maintained information control, an _enforced state of ignorance_. what that looks like in the UK, if you're a major media outlet, if you're the Guardian or the BBC, it's really fucking easy. you just Teach the Controversy. Trans people: ordinary people, or harbingers of a sinister plot against women? We report, you decide.

you all remember, that was fox news's slogan. they were _effective_, though! absolutely devastatingly effective. right now fox news are sort of at "iraqi information minister" levels of propaganda, everything is on fire and nobody cares, just say whatever shit will get anyone, anyone at all, to desperately keep hanging on to your every word.

now, how effective would it be if _every major media outlet in the country_ reported exactly like fox news did? that's the only way it works. there can be no alternatives. you want to know about trans people? ok! want to see a serial killer, or a pathetic joke? those are your options. both sides! you get to see both sides of the trans experience!

the fucked up thing is that matt walsh doesn't know how much he's doing to keep us _alive_ right now. how much he's doing to fuel our _rage_. like david byrne said. the burning keeps me alive. all of the shit people like matt walsh is saying now? that was stuff i _believed_, genuinely _believed_ about myself. five years ago, not 25, five years ago.

i don't know what the people who hate us think is going to happen. i had a friend who was at a panel with a republican congressperson talking about some issue related to her job, not a trans issue at all, and the congressman spent the whole hour just staring at her with these burning eyes of hatred. i'm sorry, but that shit is hilarious to me. like, their rage (which is a very, very different thing from my rage) is only going to cause one of us to spontaneously combust, and it's not going to be me. it's gratifying. it really is, sometimes it's the only thing that makes my life worthwhile, how much just _existing_ fucks up these assholes. i don't have to do anything, i don't have to say anything, all i have to do is _exist_ and these dumb motherfuckers get all red in the face. i mean there's always the possibility that one of them might get so mad they shoot me dead on the spot, might go dan white on me, but you know what? nothing i can do about that. you go for it, big man. see how that works out for you.

because before they came along, all of this shit was stuff i was doing _to myself_, and it is so, so much of a relief to be able to offload that burden to utter pieces of shit like them.

and in the uk, it's not like that. in the uk, advocating for anti-trans genocide is _respectable_, just like it used to be. i was listening to this fascinating interview with the author torrey peters on the "gender reveal" podcast, she was talking about her tour promoting her novel _detransition baby_, and she was doing major media outlets in the us, all over the place, and in the uk, it was much more small-press stuff, niche stuff. trans people doing stuff that's... i mean, if i say "zines", i don't mean that as a criticism, i don't mean that it's unprofessional, i mean there's a lot more DIY spirit, that you're dealing with people who are very clearly on the _outside_ of things.

see, the great thing about being in a place like tennessee? it might cost you everything, but it's a lot easier to _get out_ than it is to get out of the uk. i had a couple friends in, not tennessee, but south carolina, and they both did that. they got out, and their lives aren't great, but they're _alive_, they're getting life-saving treatment. they exist. things aren't so easy as that over in the UK.

I self-referred to my local gender identity clinic the other week. I'm expecting to get seen in about 2027

There's also this

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3adva3/liz-truss-scotland-gender-identity

I live in Scotland so this is concerning

Liz Truss, who used to be the Equalities Minister, has been saying that trans women are not women (Sunak also said this during the leadership race). She's either unaware of the fact that legally trans women most definitely are women or she's chosen to disregard it. I think the latter is more likely

Some cracking posts there by the way Kate

paolo, left - either y'all on 77? there's things i have to say that i don't feel totally comfortable saying on a public board.

one recommendation i will make, blanket recommendation to anyone who's questioning: try and get yourself involved in community. local if you have one, online if not. the absolute hardest thing is feeling like you're alone. one of the main reasons i'm doing so poorly right now is because i've had to disengage from community. (also one of the reasons i'm just fuckin' pouring trans mom energy all over this thread, tbh.)

the complicating factor is that not all community is healthy community! turns out fucked up traumatized people tend to form fucked up communities, but people still sometimes cling to the "t4t" utopian ideal where if you put a bunch of us in a room together we'll do great things because we all _understand_ each other. we do _understand_ each other, in ways that cis people don't! it's not enough to make for a healthy community, though.

but you need community. one of the things that i learned very quickly once i transitioned is that nobody does terribly well on their own.

I'm sorry to hear you're not doing so well. And I'm not on 77, what is it?

I'm not super involved in the community but I do have one fairly good trans pal and I know other trans people I can chat to as well, so I'm not totally isolated here

Have noticed recently that disabled toilets in a few places have now got Gender Neutral Toilet notes on the door. So not sure if this is a step in the right direction or a tokenist gesture. Seeing it in the Arts Centre here and wondering now if it was something the LGBTQ collective currently exhibiting insisted on and therefore was necessary for the gallery. Will see if it lasts longer than the exhibition.
Will be a bit creepy if it doesn't.

regular practice is to be all mysterious and not say what 77 is, but fuck it, trans folks suffer enough because nobody told us things that really would have benefited us to know. private board for regulars, subject to mod approval. here's the thread to request access.

Request Access to 77 Borad

Huh, who knew? I'll see if they'll let me in

stevolende re: toilets - this is definitely a good thing. the toilet police are one of the most terrifying things trans people deal with - we're just in here trying to pee but we gotta worry about giving us the third degree about whether we have the right to piss where we're pissing or if we're like trying to be creepers and like no literally we're just trying to pee. that was the one thing i insisted my work do when i transitioned - just put in a couple gender-neutral restrooms.

i guess it's possible for the centre to rip down the signs after the exhibition, if they never want to show work by queer artists again, haha. that's a real good long-term strategy for an arts centre.

its now notably permanent like as of today or since i9 last looked,. an actual solid sign like

piece of paper with message printed replaced by metal sign

Goddammit now a local institution that I really love — a park and nature center — appears to have canceled an all-ages Halloween-themed drag show because the local bigot brigade (most of whom I'm sure have never even been to the place) spread it around social media and peppered them with emails accusing them of enabling pedophiles etc. I'm still trying to get the full story, but this is a place that I would expect/hope to have a little backbone. The trans moral panic is in high gear in Tennessee.

god this is just sickening

literally everybody that rolls over without resistance just enables these groups even further

Exactly what I have been telling some local officials this morning. More than I usually say to them in my reporter role, but I'm not going to just sit back and document the bigotry, the stakes feel too high. We know what happens when vulnerable groups are demonized, it's always bad.

this is a great example of why all queer people have a common interest and a common cause. before bigots started falsely claiming trans people to be pedos and "groomers" they were saying it about cis gay people, and given the slightest excuse they'll say it again. drag isn't at all the same as being trans - there are trans drag queens and drag kings, but there are plenty of cis people who do drag as well - and now "trans panic" is being used as an excuse to erase _them_ as well. bigots don't have _reason_ to know the difference between cis drag queens and trans people - they hate us all. there's no lgb without the t.

and mothra, thanks for working to get the 411 on what's going on here. if we know who to fight, we will fight :)