"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

Please don't be a fan of Gandhi GG we have enough terrible opinions on the film poll

Xpost - I was 11 when Gandhi came out and haven't seen it since then. Anyway, R Attenborough...

Don't know much about him. He acted. He directed some films. Seeing as he's been dead 7 years he's almost as irrelevant to a contemporary politics thread as Thomas Malthus.

The third brother John Attenborough ran the UK Alfa Romeo dealership and before then the Mann Egerton division that sold Rolls-Royces, so he's obviously the worst of the family (and also dead).

I didn't ask about john attenborough

The fact you seem oblivious to the way conversations work is hardly my fault, Conrad.

he was a very memorable creepazoid in 10 Rillington Place but wasn't worth shit as a director!

Attenborough has definitely done the "too many people" bit over the last few years and fuck him for that

I think the idea that in 2021 lavish flying round the world to make TV shows about nature shows are a necessity that can't be rethought is open to a good deal of rethinking too

love his work sure, but not sure he's helping

also whenever somebody says "there are too many people" the subtext of "but not people like me" is so fucking loud it's all you can hear

There seemed little point to me in listing a bunch of random members of the public who breed like rabbits! Christ.

Yeah, there's very little point in listing individuals either way! If we accept overpopulation as the main (or one of the big) problems to tackle to help with the climate crisis, it's not gonna be about a few celebs who've decided to have a buncha children - it's gonna be focused on the countries where the population at large is having the most children, and those are not going to be in Europe.

The thing is that this is a bad premise to start from, because the countries where ppl ARE having the most children are countries where the average person contributes far less to emissions than they do here in the UK, say. It's a way to draw attention away from the companies that are the main culprits and towards economically underdeveloped nations.

This is not to say that anyone who voices these concerns is some sort of eco-fascist - but it is playing into their hands.

OK, Daniel. That makes sense.

Back to DA, he's doing less travel anyway now than in his old documentaries on account of being 95. I suspect that, come the day he pops his clogs and everyone's sad except Calz and the mysterious Mr Gann, they won't replace him with anyone directly as, like John Peel, he's kinda irreplaceable. That would be a good opportunity to do some good EDI stuff and get some local teams of indigenous peoples presenting in the various countries but this is the BBC so they'll probably stuff it up.

he was a very memorable creepazoid in 10 Rillington Place but wasn't worth shit as a director!

― calzino, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:24 (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Bullshit! "Magic" with Tony Hopkins as an insane ventriloquist is an all time classic.

Dicky Attenborough also brilliantly sinister as Pinky Brown in Brighton Rock(and probably lots of other roles in less-remembered British films that always turn up on Talking Pictures TV).

I'm probably bad, but I thought Brighton Rock was not good and didn't find him sinister at all. Maybe a re-watch might change my mind. My fave insane ventriloquist is the one in Dead of Night and that's that!

David Attenborough is a Malthusian, with all that that entails, so absolutely no. https://t.co/GH443piaXe

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) December 3, 2018

just for you GG. Two of your fave posters!

'overpopulation' always a massive red flag, nu malthusianism is simply prepping for the acceptability of 'lookit, the famine is tragic, but'

i read a pretty convincing article a year or so ago that said if you solve the top 5 women’s rights issues globally the climate issues all become much more manageable, can’t find it now tho

I'm probably bad, but I thought Brighton Rock was not good and didn't find him sinister at all. Maybe a re-watch might change my mind. My fave insane ventriloquist is the one in Dead of Night and that's that!

― calzino, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:49 (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah worth a rewatch I'd say. One of those films with a lot of twee 1940s period trappings but with an undercurrent of viciousness below the surface, which kind of fits with the themes of the original novel.

"Seance on a Wet Afternoon" is another good Dickie performance.

Owen Paterson has told Sky News said he "wouldn't hesitate" to act in the same manner again tomorrow he was heavily criticised for by a standards body

The former minister said he would "absolutely" do anything he was reprimanded by the Committee on Standards' report once more

— Sam Coates Sky (@SamCoatesSky) November 3, 2021

i think if david attenborough can criticize the unsustainable lifestyles of the global population, i think it is fair in turn to point out that very few in this world have a lifestyle as unsustainable as his.

i think

I think if he really cared he'd lead by example by volunteering to be euthanized and his physical remains processed into some green cattle feed that would save farmers buying a few pounds of soya pellets from deforested zones in Brazil #COP26 - save the rainforest one square millimetre a day lads!

Always think of Richard Attenborough as the UK's answer to Peter Lorre.

that's charles laughton

Back to DA, he's doing less travel anyway now than in his old documentaries on account of being 95. I suspect that, come the day he pops his clogs and everyone's sad except Calz and the mysterious Mr Gann, they won't replace him with anyone directly as, like John Peel, he's kinda irreplaceable. That would be a good opportunity to do some good EDI stuff and get some local teams of indigenous peoples presenting in the various countries but this is the BBC so they'll probably stuff it up.

― Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 bookmarkflaglink

It's not your post so much as that I was just reading this long read on Saville talking about the reverence shown, how entertainment builds up and places certain on a pedestal where even the whiff of mild criticism is pounced on, and how -- as it's shown here and in many other examples -- leaves a trail of victims or unquestioned worth of what it is they've made.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/02/jimmy-savile-bbc-journalists-risked-jobs-reveal-truth

In the current climate it's the poor that gets most attacked for having most children and are seen as recklessly consuming. There are enough dark mutterings from Tories on this and social murder caused by austerity and of covid as a blessing that reduced the numbers of elderly and the pension 'burden'.

It may not be referred as Malthusian but there are plenty who want to see a reduction in population. It's a thing in politics!

i've heard that people's name can continue to index ideas with an enduring significance, sometimes for a long period after their death

It only get used by mysterious people on apps such as twitter dot com. Who cares about them when compared to the grandfather of the nation, Sir David Attenborough!

I wonder if he regularly commands his servants to nosh on his ancient ballsack like Prince Charles does!

I thought people had come to terms with John Peel being a thoroughly rotten person and a [redacted]. But hey that was cracking session from Bastard Kestrel in 1989, you don't get that kind of thing on evening radio these days.

yeah i think john peel is weinsteined rip

I honestly don't think many people know or care about that - you could get a million signatures for a statue of him tomorrow.

probably correct, a multi-generational groomer through having a vinyl record industrial complex and reached into the Tory heartlands with dire stuff like Home Truths and Grunpy OLd Men ... yah national treasure status achieved

Lolz

Breaking: Owen Paterson resigns as MP for North Shropshire.

— Alan McGuinness (@Alan_McGuinness) November 4, 2021

"I will remain a public servant but outside the cruel world of politics."

loool! what a fucking bag of wind

charitably that's "public" as used in "public school"

when your grift is earning you considerably more than your 80k MP salary, then that is god's way of telling you it's time to leave the cruel world of politics.

the brass fuckin' balls of this guy

Toryballs

When Boris Johnson is leading your party it's hardly surprising the cunts expect to get away with any and everything.

The Daily Mail went full tilt on this story today I expect that helped change their minds

Maybe Johnson cut him a deal and this is the price

Boris Johnson's spokesman now says there will be another vote on whether to suspend Owen Paterson "as soon as possible" with MPs also given a free vote on keeping the current Standards regime.

Total retreat.

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) November 4, 2021

Worst of all was seeing people, including MPs, publicly mock and deride Rose’s death and belittle our pain. My children have therefore asked me to leave politics altogether, for my sake as well as theirs.

I agree with them. I do not want my wife’s memory and reputation to become a political football.

No-one else mentioned it you twat

I can believe his kids said "leave politics", all together.

Has Your Personal Data Been Leaked?
Call us on **** *** ****

seriously thinking about this, honestly couldn't give a shit about the data breach but feeling a strong urge to contribute towards bankrupting the Labour party out of pure hatred.

Same

If as they say it’s a third party who lost the data would labour still be liable?

heard somewhere they have to keep yr info for five years if you donated to them?

Not what data protection law says AFAIK

"as long as is reasonable" is something like the wording - membership ceases and they don't have a case to keep it I think

Thing is, there are lots of arguments to be made for what is ‘reasonable’. For example, Gift Aid can be claimed on donations for up to four years, so an organisation could argue that it’s a reasonable policy to retain details for four years in case someone comes back within that time and signs a Gift Aid declaration. There may well be a claim for damages based on how the party has handled peoples data, but I’d be surprised if there was much value in the ‘they should have deleted my data as soon as I left’ argument.

i suspect that they were handing data over to third parties to do social media surveillance but obviously this is just speculation based on them being awful wankers