Joe Money, Joe Problems: the November 2021 U.S. Politics Thread

people love the repubican party and its racist platform

critical race theory!!!

jesus

Heel yeah man

MSNBC blaming increasingly likely Democratic loss in Virginia on...Biden withdrawing from Afghanistan.

— Chip Gibbons (@ChipGibbons89) November 3, 2021

Hell

Dems should’ve locked the Manchin/Sinema/etc type members of the party in a janitorial closet the second Biden won to mobshit them from letting this stuff from happening.

milo sharing that shit is not helpful

Nothing helpful exists, tho. Not being snarky about Democratic incompetence and venality isn't going to make them any better. On a day when they trip over their own feet electorally, the news about the bill that has occupied the last nine months of their time is a laughable prescription reform and centrists trying to give money to rich people.

but I mean, the core of the randy tweet is also true so it's hard to even call it snark

Dem members are already texting me blaming progressives for “debacle” in Virginia https://t.co/MJnlDzW5WF

— Heather Caygle (@heatherscope) November 3, 2021

Democrats deserve to lose until they stop doing this https://t.co/1dKVK8YZ55

— i'm not here (@dkulchar) November 3, 2021

With everything going on it is absolutely wild how committed the Democratic Party is to polishing the balls of a guy like me: an exceedingly comfortable white straight cis male careening into middle age (and southern to boot. seriously, if you heard my accent you would literally never stop throwing up). I have no kids and will most likely be dead before major fallout from climate change hits, or at least I’ll be cosseted from the worst of it. My entire life’s savings is in stock index funds, and wouldn’t you know it there are only like three things both parties agree on without fail—one being Line Can Never Ever Go Down again . At this point I probably have more equity in my home than I paid for it, and I’m more or less a fucking LANDLORD loool.

If the Democratic Party wants to make *me* one of their top priorities I guess all I can say is “thanks, dummies”. But I’m sure af not giving them any more money. And honestly, barring a few outliers, probably not many votes either.

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cooool fucking party bro

I can't remember exactly which Democratic candidate sent me a mailer that looked like a collections notice but at a time when I was receiving actual collections notices for an old ER visit it did not put me in a supportive mood.

will, are you submitting to the Low poll?

honestly not intimate enough w them to do a poll submission. kind of a blind spot for me. I do like their ‘hits’ tho. or the ones I know anyway.

a fun thing to do when a former blue trifecta state plunges into ethno-fascism is “gloat”

virginia legitimately scares me, as a place

― certified juice therapist (harbl), Tuesday, November 2, 2021 8:37 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

It is Alabama with a thin Jeffersonian veneer.

a fun thing to do when a former blue trifecta state plunges into ethno-fascism is “gloat”

I don't know if it's that simple, looks like GOP turnout was way up in both VA and NJ which I don't think you can attribute to the Dems failing to deliver anything

_virginia legitimately scares me, as a place

― certified juice therapist (harbl), Tuesday, November 2, 2021 8:37 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink_


It is Alabama with a thin Jeffersonian veneer.

As a NJ resident, it's shocking to see this race so close. All the polls beforehand made it seem Murphy didn't have much to worry about. To be honest, I almost didn't bother to vote. I guess a lot of people probably saw the polls and thought like I did.

Obviously McAuliffe is a creep and he ran a terrible campaign that had no identifiable message unlike Youngkin and his constant drumming of “think of the children.”

Also Blame Dem primary voters who rejected two progressive black women.

I voted for Jennifer Carroll Foy, who might also have lost, but it would have felt like a nobler struggle. Perhaps there's an alternate universe in which she prevailed. McAuliffe, ugh, never presented a positive case. Just "I'm not the scary guy." Perhaps there are alternate universes where that worked.

This universe? Fucking sucks, is how I feel rn

As a NJ resident, it's shocking to see this race so close

i'm not shocked! The Murphy campaign reminded me a lot of Hilary 2016, he got outworked by Jack in a lot of areas and relied too much on big names showing up for him.

as a republican candidate right now all you have to do is complain about the highest property taxes in the country and that you will lower them, even if you have no plan on how to do so, and already have 48% of the vote.

finally some good news

BREAKING: @SenJeffMerkley announces he will oppose Rahm Emanuel nomination to be Amb. to Japan. Likely sinks it

— Erik Wasson (@elwasson) November 3, 2021

yeah let's just go ahead and clean out the Clinton-era fossils please

be glad not to hear that guys name again tbh

but i'm sure he'll just end up on msnbc panels anyways

polls are so increasingly useless (well aware of the confirmation bias I'm exhibiting)

do people just lie to pollsters more than ever now?

A pretty data-heavy breakdown of the mostly prejudiced treatment of critical race theory on social media here:
https://stoponlinevaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/CRT_-Controlled-by-Conservative-Media.31.pdf

At a high level, it is clear that white Conservative narratives (starting with Christian responses to the Southern Baptist Conference and including Conservative media and high profile individuals), have dominated the Facebook discourse around CRT since early in 2020. We found that Social Justice, Liberal/Progressive, and pages by Black-identified administrators accounted for a small fraction of the total posts on Facebook. By and large, Conservative posts did not include representation from Black Scholars but were much more likely to be shared than posts from Black-identified pages:
- Conservative and Republican pages comprised an overall 69.7% of the pages and 90.8% of the shares…
- Overall, Social Justice and Liberal/Progressive pages accounted for 8.2% of the posts and 4.6% of the shares.

do people just lie to pollsters more than ever now?

I've seen enough: Gov. Phil Murphy (D) defeats Jack Ciattarelli (R) in the New Jersey governor's race. #NJGOV

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 3, 2021

In more important news, did JFK Jr. and The Rolling Stones jam last night?

polls are so increasingly useless (well aware of the confirmation bias I'm exhibiting)

Weren’t VA polls pretty much spot on?

yes, don't think any of this hinged on polling issues

As a NJ resident, it's shocking to see this race so close. All the polls beforehand made it seem Murphy didn't have much to worry about. To be honest, I almost didn't bother to vote. I guess a lot of people probably saw the polls and thought like I did.

I voted. My precinct got fancy new touch-screen machines, but they showed you your vote on a piece of paper before you hit the button to confirm it. I wasn't expecting an Adams-Sliwa style blowout, but I thought Murphy had it comfortably in the bag.

polls are so increasingly useless (well aware of the confirmation bias I'm exhibiting)
Weren’t VA polls pretty much spot on?

― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, November 3, 2021 10:56 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

see disclaimer

lol at repubs not knowing how counting works and thinking the fix is in because Bergen County was red late last night before they started counting mail-ins and flipped this morning to blue.

In more important news, did JFK Jr. and The Rolling Stones jam last night?

I shouted out, "who killed the Kennedys"
When after all, it was Hill-a-REEE

so do Republicans now trust the results of elections or what

lol at repubs not knowing pretending they don't know how counting works and thinking pretending the fix is in because Bergen County was red late last night before they started counting mail-ins and flipped this morning to blue.

Which keeps their base angry and more inclined to try to stop mail in voting.

Virginia's result showed that very generous early voting rules (don't know about absentee ballots) doesn't necessarily hurt Republicans.

I do think the wildly inaccurate NJ polling contributed to the already prevalent Democrat complacency. It seems GOP often outperforms in off-cycle/mid-term elections. For an older GOP voter, voting is probably the high point of their week. For the younger skewing typical Democratic voter, actually having to go somewhere in physical form and wait in line seems horribly old-fashioned and crimps their style.

what about if there's pizza

These are people who will use DoorDash if it means not having to put on pants.

we need voting apps

Lifelong Virginia voter here: I question the received wisdom on "Democrat complacency."

First let me acknowledge that I live in a very Democratic bubble (like, knowing multiple people with "nevertheless, she persisted" tattoos kind of bubble). In addition to voting, many of us donated, volunteered, went door-to-door, canvassed, phone-banked, put out signs, did GOTV shiznit, yadda yadda.

Let me say this: I do not know a Democrat who did not vote. Zero. None. Nada. Zilch. We all got the fuck off the couch and went as absentee, in-person absentee, mail-in, witnessed, non-witnessed, and GAH ASKDJFAKJTILEJG FOR FUCK'S SAKE WE HAD THE OPTION OF CURBSIDE VOTING THIS YEAR! um, ahem, we had multiple modalities of voting available to us.

At some point we need to consider that maybe there are... in some places at some times... just not quite enough of "us."

And DEFINITELY not enough persuadable independents / nonvoters / disaffected moonbeams who don't feel we are focused enough on their personal fruity-ass wish list.

signed, privileged-ass white boy who volunteered for Doug Wilder

this is one take

Democrats got more votes than they ever had in a Virginia gubernatorial election and lost. Lots of people invested in "we need to excite the base" takes, but the base turned out. https://t.co/XvWEY4kza5

— David Weigel (@daveweigel) November 3, 2021

i haven't seen anyone account for the fact that the population of VA is growing. maybe not enough to make this take wrong though. i.e. dems did a basically ok job of turning out their base with anti trump messaging. the problem here seemed to be that VA has enough swing voters who are willing to vote republican if trump isn't on the ballot to make the difference, especially when combined with the schools stuff, e.g.

Virginia 2020 —> White women
50% Biden (D), 49% Trump (R)

Virginia 2021 —> White women
57% Youngkin (R), 43% McAuliffe (D)

A 15-point swing to the GOP with this group.

(via @NBCNews Exit Polls)

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) November 3, 2021

that general situation seems like it will still be the case in 2022 :-(

i hate to say it but i think the best chance the dems have is if trump is on the ballot in 2024 tbh, because the anti-trump vote is going to wither away if he doesn't run, and the dems are obviously not doing enough in DC to excite the base otherwise.