Truffaut's updating Antoine's life with new films over a 20 year period was fascinating to me
― Dan S, Friday, 29 October 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link
Was also interesting how JPL worked with so many other directors.
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:13 (two years ago) link
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New ILF description Y/N?
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link
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55. THE GRADUATE (Mike Nichols, 1967, USA) [783.33 points; 9 votes]S&S: 369 | TSPDT: 217 | BOXD: DNP
MORBS SEZ: "after Elaine discovers her mom's affair with Ben, The Graduate just isn't very good. Benjamin's dullness as a character to begin with is kind of the point. He was taken as a hero by dull '60s kids … my fave scene in The Graduate, however, might be the very last NOW WHAT one on the bus."I've watched Bonnie & Clyde every few years over three-plus decades--from an initial "Huh?", it gets better every time I go back to it, and Harris's book helped that along a little more. But I still would have voted for The Graduate, which is part of my movie-going DNA.― clemenza, Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:05 PMthis movie leaves me cold. i love "confused young man" black comedies of the era, but ennnh, you can't really build an entire movie out of coy winks and nods and no real script (unless you're french). i know it's supposed to be revolutionary and daring, but i don't feel it.goodbye, columbus is better.― oh ilx my lionheart (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:01 AMThe Graduate is one of my favourite ever films, yes. Just beautiful, and unbearably affecting re: becoming an adult, despite Benjamin's situation bearing little resemblance to my own post-graduation. I don't like the end so much as the beginning, and that section where he is having the affair with Mrs Robinson, lazing around the swimming pool and doing little else.-- Nicksomeone once said the last section of the graduate is like "crepey stalker gets the girl" and it made me go hmmm― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, April 24, 2009 12:02 PMMay I also say, I especially hate the song Mrs. Robinson. I'd always assume that seeing the movie would illuminate the lyrics for me (it wasn written about the character, right?) but the song doesn't seem to entirely "get" her.― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:11 AMit's not hard to love bonnie and clyde, but i think the graduate was smarter about where things were going. no blaze of glory, just a lot of wtf. plus -- anne bancroft.― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:14 AMelaine is an underwritten character, but ross is fine (in both senses)― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:17 PMoh god, people, the graduate. please god no― gear (gear), Monday, December 12, 2005 10:11 PMwhen alex in nyc and dr morb yuppieromcom loving powers combine they give us - THE GRADUATE― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, December 12, 2005 10:18 PM
I've watched Bonnie & Clyde every few years over three-plus decades--from an initial "Huh?", it gets better every time I go back to it, and Harris's book helped that along a little more. But I still would have voted for The Graduate, which is part of my movie-going DNA.― clemenza, Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:05 PM
this movie leaves me cold. i love "confused young man" black comedies of the era, but ennnh, you can't really build an entire movie out of coy winks and nods and no real script (unless you're french). i know it's supposed to be revolutionary and daring, but i don't feel it.goodbye, columbus is better.― oh ilx my lionheart (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:01 AM
The Graduate is one of my favourite ever films, yes. Just beautiful, and unbearably affecting re: becoming an adult, despite Benjamin's situation bearing little resemblance to my own post-graduation. I don't like the end so much as the beginning, and that section where he is having the affair with Mrs Robinson, lazing around the swimming pool and doing little else.-- Nick
someone once said the last section of the graduate is like "crepey stalker gets the girl" and it made me go hmmm― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, April 24, 2009 12:02 PM
May I also say, I especially hate the song Mrs. Robinson. I'd always assume that seeing the movie would illuminate the lyrics for me (it wasn written about the character, right?) but the song doesn't seem to entirely "get" her.― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:11 AM
it's not hard to love bonnie and clyde, but i think the graduate was smarter about where things were going. no blaze of glory, just a lot of wtf. plus -- anne bancroft.― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:14 AM
elaine is an underwritten character, but ross is fine (in both senses)― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:17 PM
oh god, people, the graduate. please god no― gear (gear), Monday, December 12, 2005 10:11 PM
when alex in nyc and dr morb yuppieromcom loving powers combine they give us - THE GRADUATE― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, December 12, 2005 10:18 PM
― Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:36 (two years ago) link
oh god, people, the graduate. please god no― gear (gear)
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link
Today's 10 are sorta tearing themselves apart at the seams.
― Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:44 (two years ago) link
by the time i had finally gotten around to the graduate in college it was amazing to realize how much of it i had already seen through pop culture references
i've never completed the 400 blows
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link
*Cue Jim Backus in an apron*
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link
i assume my douglas sirk phase is imminent, had to abandon all that heaven allows when i attempted to watch it because it badly clashed with my mood, but i bet i would love imitation
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:50 (two years ago) link
Curious, any particular reason why?
― Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
idk i got the dvd from netflix back in the day and just never got past the first twenty minutes
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link
i'm not much of a truffaut fan but 400 blows seems more or less flawless to me. i don't really get why it attracted so much hate in the olden days here on ilx, though some of those comments are pretty funny.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:58 (two years ago) link
After a while I realized I don't like Mike Nichols much as a filmmaker. I get that he's good with actors, and there are good performances in his movies, but I find his affect sort of not here nor there. Boring, but not in an interesting way.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:02 (two years ago) link
I had somehow never seen The Graduate until a few months ago and had the same experience as Brad - there's very little movie left underneath the torrent of overly familiar lines, scenes, etc. I enjoyed it but was underwhelmed as a result. Don't know if I can really fault the film for that but it wouldn't have sniffed my list (I think I had already submitted once I saw it anyway). I did throw an honorable mention to a dif Nichols
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 29 October 2021 18:04 (two years ago) link
400 Blows and The Graduate are long-time favourites, may have been at the top of my ballot had it been sent 20 years before (instead of the #11 and #10 placements they got this time) - The Graduate in particular is something I have seen 20+ times but there is always something new for me, the tracking shot at the party, when he is underwater in the pool, the shot of their faces right at the end, just the wonder and despair at the possibilities of life and the constant snatching-away of their illusions of control, even Mrs Robinson is just a lost kid.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
if you haven't made it all the way to the end of the 400 blows, you have to at least see the endinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcxNHPHpcj4
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:07 (two years ago) link
... which won't mean a whole lot in isolation
― Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:11 (two years ago) link
Not huge on The Graduate but that beginning is really beautifully shot for a director that always gets pegged as being more about the writing and acting.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 29 October 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link
xp Eric obv you haven't seen the cut CaAL posted
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 29 October 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link
lol, didn't realize Tarr was such a Truffaut stan...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ3-7C6RYOE
― Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link
lol
― Dan S, Friday, 29 October 2021 18:16 (two years ago) link
of course, you've seen Léaud's Audition for The 400 Blows but in case you haven't:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULovABBn2ds
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:18 (two years ago) link
I don't know if this sounds weird, but Léaud was an unusually beautiful, austere young man. I find it hard squaring those virtues with the Doinel he played just a few years later. He looked hollowed out, callo.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:21 (two years ago) link
Also: I can't recommend Mark Harris' Nichols bio more strongly.
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54. JURASSIC PARK (Steven Spielberg, 1993, USA) [786 points; 9 votes]S&S: DNP | TSPDT: 720 | BOXD: DNP
MORBS SEZ: "you ppl are pop-proctologists nonpareil, God save you … I saw it once, and thought all the accomplishments were technical, aside from Goldblum's meta japery."get with the millennium morbs, we like jurassic park― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, January 29, 2016 4:02 PMHas there ever been an ILX poll of Spielberg's films from Duel to Jurassic Park--before he became an artist?― clemenza, Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:23 PMJurassic Park a towering technical and marketing achievement but heartless.― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Thursday, February 1, 2018 6:07 PMI don't actually like Jurassic Park at ALL but Jeff Goldblum dresses fantastically in it so I'll give it a little bit of a pass (THAT FINAL SHOT OF THE T-REX AND THE RAPTORS IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST SHOT IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF CINEMATOGRAPHY AND DIRECTION AND THAT IS A STONE COLD FACT PEOPLE).― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:38 AMI think there are highlights t/o Spielberg's filmography, so i wouldn't want to press the argument too hard. IMO Jurassic Park, Catch Me if You Can, War of the Worlds... these are all peaks of one kind or another. Jurassic Park may be the most emblematic Spielberg achievement.― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, February 20, 2015 3:15 PM really enjoyed "Jurassic Park" but the whole "I know this operating system... it's a UNIX system!" thing killed me with lols and came perilously close to throwing me out of the entire movie.― DJP, Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:56 AMall yall complaining about bad hacking scenes in skyfall need to appreciate the master of bad hacking scenes in jurassic park― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:52 AMSLJ smoking in Jurassic Park was one of the last times we saw anyone do it (a) indoors (b) in front of children― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:45 PMman what a great movie.― ethan, Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:00 PMlove this shit― and what, Friday, May 11, 2007 2:29 PMethan wtf is up with your habit of reviving your own threads just to go "yup, i still agree with myself."― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, May 11, 2007 2:42 PM
get with the millennium morbs, we like jurassic park― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, January 29, 2016 4:02 PM
Has there ever been an ILX poll of Spielberg's films from Duel to Jurassic Park--before he became an artist?― clemenza, Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:23 PM
Jurassic Park a towering technical and marketing achievement but heartless.― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Thursday, February 1, 2018 6:07 PM
I don't actually like Jurassic Park at ALL but Jeff Goldblum dresses fantastically in it so I'll give it a little bit of a pass (THAT FINAL SHOT OF THE T-REX AND THE RAPTORS IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST SHOT IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF CINEMATOGRAPHY AND DIRECTION AND THAT IS A STONE COLD FACT PEOPLE).― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:38 AM
I think there are highlights t/o Spielberg's filmography, so i wouldn't want to press the argument too hard. IMO Jurassic Park, Catch Me if You Can, War of the Worlds... these are all peaks of one kind or another. Jurassic Park may be the most emblematic Spielberg achievement.― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, February 20, 2015 3:15 PM
really enjoyed "Jurassic Park" but the whole "I know this operating system... it's a UNIX system!" thing killed me with lols and came perilously close to throwing me out of the entire movie.― DJP, Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:56 AM
all yall complaining about bad hacking scenes in skyfall need to appreciate the master of bad hacking scenes in jurassic park― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:52 AM
SLJ smoking in Jurassic Park was one of the last times we saw anyone do it (a) indoors (b) in front of children― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:45 PM
man what a great movie.― ethan, Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:00 PM
love this shit― and what, Friday, May 11, 2007 2:29 PM
ethan wtf is up with your habit of reviving your own threads just to go "yup, i still agree with myself."― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, May 11, 2007 2:42 PM
― Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link
Feel like maybe JPL grew tired of playing that particular character, but perhaps just projecting.
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link
He was often solid (Morbs and I loved The Death of Louis XIV) but he lost the glow -- the uniqueness -- after 400 Blows.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:25 (two years ago) link
Surprised to see this, there’s a good half dozen Spielberg films I’d rate higher and I expect a couple will definitely place.
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 29 October 2021 18:35 (two years ago) link
Fair enough, but he was well used by Godard and Eustache, and then later by Assayas and Kaurismäki or Bertolucci, to name several.(xp)
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link
Maybe someone could make a claim that all those other roles were comments upon his first character and director.
yeah this is a strange and disappointing choice
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link
You voters were so preoccupied with whether or not you could vote for Jurassic Park...
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link
So it was one of the sanctioned nominees? Dang!
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:48 (two years ago) link
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Friday, October 29, 2021 2:38 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length)
The Joe Biden of Spielberg films.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:48 (two years ago) link
So not likely we see Munich any time soon, I suppose.
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
Oh, yeah. Oooh, aaah. That's how polls always start. Then later there's running and screaming.
― Chris L, Friday, 29 October 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
jurassic park is a fun movie
― adam t. (abanana), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:54 (two years ago) link
so much fun
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:55 (two years ago) link
Never saw it until recently streamed it with a 9-year old. He was the perfect age for it I think. I find it baffling that this is considered top tier Spielberg.
― o. nate, Friday, 29 October 2021 18:57 (two years ago) link
I mean just in terms of soulless action and special effects wizardry I think it pales in comparison to say "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom", but that sort of thing is not really my cup of tea.
― o. nate, Friday, 29 October 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link
King shit
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 October 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link
Chris L otm.
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:00 (two years ago) link
the people have spoken, Jurassic Park is the #1 film of all time
― Karl Malone, Friday, 29 October 2021 19:00 (two years ago) link
...and the Golden Boys (xp)
finally a good movie
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link
There are many aspects to film mastery, and dinosaurs are one of the most neglected.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 29 October 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link
The only 90s action flick I'm rooting for is The Wrong Trousers
― imago, Friday, 29 October 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link
don't think i would have voted for jurassic park in a spielberg poll, let alone this one. it slaps though
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link
Wouldn't vote for it, but I can't deny that it's in my DNA.
― jmm, Friday, 29 October 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link
i would like to point out
raw point totals + (average points per vote x 3) + (number of votes x 10)
Prior to weighting, ballots' top 25 got from 100 points down to 76 points (or 88 points if unranked), and the honorable mentions all received 20 points.
the (number of votes x 10) part just gives every vote 10 more points, so a #1 movie = 110 points, etc.
― adam t. (abanana), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:03 (two years ago) link