I knew when conservatives started railing against "political correctness" that it was only a short step to "I can just be an unmitigated fucking asshole with no repercussions." And here we are.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 25 October 2021 17:06 (two years ago) link
Conservatism is just a "Calvin peeing on..." meme these days
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 25 October 2021 17:40 (two years ago) link
This piece from yesterday is of interest in that regard
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/evangelical-trump-christians-politics/620469/
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 October 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link
You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
― Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Monday, 25 October 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link
When the Christian faith is politicized, churches become repositories not of grace but of grievances, places where tribal identities are reinforced, where fears are nurtured, and where aggression and nastiness are sacralized.
There were church leaders warning about this back during the rise of Falwell and the Moral Majority.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 25 October 2021 18:28 (two years ago) link
And yet . . .
― Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Monday, 25 October 2021 18:30 (two years ago) link
It's also rich that Peter Wehner wrote that article, as he's certainly helped contribute to the culture of White Evangelical Nationalism. Someone ought to tell him that if you make your bed and also shit in it, you can't wring your hands about your little oopsy-poopsy.
― I'm a sovereign jizz citizen (the table is the table), Monday, 25 October 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link
“Nearly everyone tells me there is at the very least a small group in nearly every evangelical church complaining and agitating against teaching or policies that aren’t sufficiently conservative or anti-woke,” a pastor and prominent figure within the evangelical world told me. (Like others with whom I spoke about this topic, he requested anonymity in order to speak candidly.) “It’s everywhere.”
good article so far, but had to lol a bit at this.
it's been everywhere for at least 30 years dude!!!
― typo hell #14: neanderthal started writing it not know how it (Karl Malone), Monday, 25 October 2021 19:49 (two years ago) link
this is interesting, though, and something i haven't thought about:
“What we’re seeing is massive discipleship failure caused by massive catechesis failure,” James Ernest, the vice president and editor in chief at Eerdmans, a publisher of religious books, told me. Ernest was one of several figures I spoke with who pointed to catechism, the process of instructing and informing people through teaching, as the source of the problem. “The evangelical Church in the U.S. over the last five decades has failed to form its adherents into disciples. So there is a great hollowness. All that was needed to cause the implosion that we have seen was a sufficiently provocative stimulus. And that stimulus came.”
i've never really thought about catechism because it was never present in any evangelical context that i knew of. the pastor and the assistant pastor (aka "the music guy" who led the band through so many endless power ballads as people were saved) had degrees from some theological place, but in general, the vibe was "if you are an expert, you are an expert" everywhere else. it does seem like abandoning theological coherence and just leaving it to everybody to come up with their own ideas would soon lead to...the average republican?
― typo hell #14: neanderthal started writing it not know how it (Karl Malone), Monday, 25 October 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link
The idea that the average white evangelical over the last 30 years would have renounced the political elements of their agenda had only they been better instructed in Christ's teachings is total and complete fucking bullshit made up by some evangelical numbnuts who apparently doesn't like realizing what side he's been on the last 30 years.
― Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Monday, 25 October 2021 20:27 (two years ago) link
This isn't directed at you Karl so sorry if it seemed that way. Reacting to the quote.
― Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Monday, 25 October 2021 20:29 (two years ago) link
i'm not sure that's what he said, though! or at least, not the claim that better instruction would have led to renouncing political elements.
i see it more as just making a connection between the empty theology ("great hollowness") and the willingness of white evangelicals, more than any other religious group, to go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there on conspiracy theories and anti-masking and shit like that
― typo hell #14: neanderthal started writing it not know how it (Karl Malone), Monday, 25 October 2021 20:31 (two years ago) link
xp!
He's making a pretty direct comparison. The two paragraphs preceding your quoted paragraph are referencing the politicization of evangelicals. I don't see how Christ's teachings change that politicization - it's a feature, not a bug.
― Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Monday, 25 October 2021 20:41 (two years ago) link
sure, but there are many ways to be politicized. the direction that evangelicals have gone isn't predetermined by those teachings. it would be amazing if all of a sudden evangelicals were focused on the jesus of the gospels and suddenly understood that they were supposed to have compassion for those they disagreed with, and also that they weren't supposed to be figuring out how to get more money all of the time, for example
― typo hell #14: neanderthal started writing it not know how it (Karl Malone), Monday, 25 October 2021 20:54 (two years ago) link
I'm mildly curious as to what these anti-woke activist would say when asked to define what 'woke' means to them
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 25 October 2021 20:59 (two years ago) link
Focusing on (or even mentioning) racial issues, because "I don't see color" afaik.
Sermons are short. Only some churchgoers attend adult-education classes, and even fewer attend Bible study and small groups. Cable news, however, is always on. “So if people are getting one kind of catechesis for half an hour per week,” Jacobs asked, “and another for dozens of hours per week, which one do you think will win out?”
I thought this was key. My parents do this with CNN and MSNBC. Their friends/relatives are 24/7 Fox, if they haven't moved on to the hard stuff like OANN.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 25 October 2021 21:01 (two years ago) link
yeah, basically CRT, woke, etc boils down to any discussion of race whatsoever.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 25 October 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link
Old people leave the TV on all the time, it seems. My parents still don't have cable!
― I'm a sovereign jizz citizen (the table is the table), Monday, 25 October 2021 21:16 (two years ago) link
I don't even have parents.
― Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Monday, 25 October 2021 21:19 (two years ago) link
I don't even own a parent
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 October 2021 21:20 (two years ago) link
i don't even have an alibi, TRUMP! full circle
― typo hell #14: neanderthal started writing it not know how it (Karl Malone), Monday, 25 October 2021 21:20 (two years ago) link
I’m so grateful that my parents listen to classical music 24/7 and not news or cable.
― Typo? Negative! (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 25 October 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link
Don't they watch The Price is Right anymore? What the hell is wrong with these boomers
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 25 October 2021 21:23 (two years ago) link
just make sure they're not listening to wagner 24/7, that's a warning sign
― typo hell #14: neanderthal started writing it not know how it (Karl Malone), Monday, 25 October 2021 21:24 (two years ago) link
Everyone always does that whole thing but whatever, having a house without TV or cable TV is actually good and I don't give a fuck if that makes me some sort of snooty asshole. TV sucks. Period.
― I'm a sovereign jizz citizen (the table is the table), Monday, 25 October 2021 21:32 (two years ago) link
He’s heard of many congregants leaving their church because it didn’t match their politics, he told me, but has never once heard of someone changing their politics because it didn’t match their church’s teaching. He often tells his congregation that if the Bible doesn’t challenge your politics at least occasionally, you’re not really paying attention to the Hebrew scriptures or the New Testament. The reality, however, is that a lot of people, especially in this era, will leave a church if their political views are ever challenged, even around the edges.
HENLEY: Well, yeah.
― mothersbaugh of invention (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 25 October 2021 21:33 (two years ago) link
100%
xp to table
― typo hell #14: neanderthal started writing it not know how it (Karl Malone), Monday, 25 October 2021 21:33 (two years ago) link
<3
this is gold pic.twitter.com/PY9mDTBNeg— MeidasTouch.com (@MeidasTouch) October 31, 2021
(which was at this game - he announced that he was invited but they refuted that: he called and asked them : https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-refutes-trump-claim-they-invited-him-to-world-series-200004450.html )
― StanM, Sunday, 31 October 2021 14:57 (two years ago) link
Trump on Waukesha: The good news is he hated Trump pic.twitter.com/hE800i5Gvb— Acyn (@Acyn) November 24, 2021
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 14:02 (two years ago) link
used to be disgusted by that stuff but turns out this is how the entire American right thinks
― frogbs, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 14:10 (two years ago) link
Little Rocket Man --> Little Rifle Man
Trump having a photo of Kim Jong-un on his wall is so painfully on brand https://t.co/Fcvh1maspa— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) November 24, 2021
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 25 November 2021 17:02 (two years ago) link
http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/injustice-league-hall-of-doom.jpg
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 November 2021 17:18 (two years ago) link
MELANIA NFT
Melania Trump is getting in on the latest crypto craze -- NFTs.The former first lady announced that she is selling an NFT, or a non-fungible token, titled "Melania's Vision" -- her first public endeavor since leaving office almost one year ago. https://t.co/Sg2ypIH7nw— CNN (@CNN) December 16, 2021
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 December 2021 20:19 (two years ago) link
Wow, she's like Mother Teresa reincarnate
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 16 December 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link
Feels like a rare misstep - the rubes and marks who buy Trump shit are a different group than the rubes and marks who buy NFTs.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 16 December 2021 20:56 (two years ago) link
A lotta creepy middle-aged MAGA dudes furiously googling "NFTs" this afternoon.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 16 December 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link
The NFT is a "watercolor" by Marc-Antoine Coulon that includes an audio recording of Trump
Doesn't say which Trump
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 16 December 2021 21:22 (two years ago) link
Surely there’s a “Be Best” joke here just waiting to write itself
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 16 December 2021 21:24 (two years ago) link
hoping it's a recording of Trump, the famous Hearthstone pro
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 16 December 2021 21:28 (two years ago) link
To be fair, apparently this whole scam is ostensibly a benefit for "Be Best" and will help foster kids learn computer skills
Of course, we all know the sordid history of Trump charities...
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 16 December 2021 21:48 (two years ago) link
BE BEAST
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 December 2021 22:02 (two years ago) link
Weird Trump Thing I Remembered Today: Going off on 'The Lovers' during rally speeches by playing both parts (and doing all the sound effects) in little one-man show about Strzok & Page making out.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 December 2021 22:42 (two years ago) link
Dud
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Thursday, 16 December 2021 23:16 (two years ago) link
Checking out what our friends at https://t.co/upnTTxj8TI think about Trump telling a crowd in Dallas that he got his covid booster shot pic.twitter.com/lpLdIGfZqu— Aric Toler (@AricToler) December 21, 2021
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 21 December 2021 19:23 (two years ago) link
I think they forced him to take the first vaxx and it changed his DNA and now he's a blonde redhead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwhWF9WS70
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 21 December 2021 19:32 (two years ago) link
xpost ^ Yet another bit of evidence that there's no reversing the process of sanity erosion once it's begun
― Rep. Cobra Commander (R-TX) (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 December 2021 19:34 (two years ago) link
Absolute devotion flipping to total scorn and rejection? The only through-line is the high drama that must be sustained every day, like a soap opera, but with more apeshit crazy.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 21 December 2021 19:41 (two years ago) link
He's either a deep fake or reptilian but he can't be both
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 19:54 (two years ago) link
That's exactly what They want you to think!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 21 December 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link