ILX All-Time Film and Morbsies Poll: RESULTS Thread for ILX's Favorite Movies, Films, Cinema, Flicks & Moving Pictures

we're expecting more Kurosawa to place, right? like this is his most canonical work but if nothing else places that's a fucking scandal

we should do a poll of 100 best mifune facial expressions after this

― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Monday, October 25, 2021 10:30 AM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is a good one

http://thebigpicturemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Mifune-2.png

here

https://putthison.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tumblr_mjz9oxG0wv1qa2j8co3_400.jpg

Not sure if anyone had better style.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pvBwUYOaNTI/YIZPjCyaU5I/AAAAAAAAulA/JKutjOywaxEro4Im71AmAwwRb6LeoCd1ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1080/159108454_232115771968576_4321267911198124944_n.jpg

I mean, maybe.

https://cansesclasseled.files.wordpress.com/2021/10/096-meshes-of-the-afternoon-1.jpg

96. MESHES OF THE AFTERNOON (Maya Deren & Alexander Hammid, 1943, USA) [625.71 points; 7 votes]
S&S: 139 | TSPDT: 276 | BOXD: DNP

MORBS SEZ: "that kneeslapper Maya Deren"

I've seen Meshes at least once a year for the past six years and I never really figured out why. It's not particularly interesting in and of itself, but one can see the horror that came from it -- that is to say, every art school stereotype stems from it. The closeups, the pretensions, narciscisim disgused as melancholy and the idea that, in order to be considered a serious artist, one must avoid any sort of accessability. You want good female directors? Ida Lupino and Lina Wertmuller. Deren is garbage.
― JM, Friday, September 21, 2001 7:00 PM

Lol at Morbz sez quote.

never seen it

It's like 12 minutes long, Addison.

An opinion.

i didn't vote for any short films but no film has had a more profound impact on me probably????

didn't vote at all but 'meshes' + 'mulholland drive' = perfectly apposite short + a feature combo

I can't remember if this is the one we watched in 1998 at uni or not.

A ballot without shorts (and longs) is foreign to me.

It's fun to watch that Totoro tree growing scene with little kids who've seen it before. They do that motion along with the characters.

I suspect there is one higher short in the list, unless a Looney Tunes short also made it.

One of my film professors worked with Maya Deren when she came to Toronto in 1951. He said, "I found her very funny because she had no sense of humour whatsoever"!

depending on how you draw the line for shorts i can think of a few that should be up the list

"I found her very funny because she had no sense of humour whatsoever"!

heh -- Gore Vidal said the same about Anais Nin.

The aforementioned duck amuck could well show up I think, along with the dog I think is being alluded to by abanana

Halfway: who?! Is this York or UT?

Doug Davidson, who taught at York. He would have been 22 then, attending U of T I believe.

Maya neighbour Toronto

One of my film professors worked with Maya Deren when she came to Toronto in 1951. He said, "I found her very funny because she had no sense of humour whatsoever"!

She might not have been all that humourless: here's a quote from a local article written at the time:

"She was astounded to find we had been running her silent films at silent speed, calling us 'long-suffering ones'." (They were shot at the faster, sound speed.)

i just watched meshes of the afternoon (here)

what a fantastic score!

_ "I found her very funny because she had no sense of humour whatsoever"!_

heh -- Gore Vidal said the same about Anais Nin.

i did not expect a 1943 film to have slapback echo that reminds me of the caretaker and fusion era miles davis

Doing a youtube mashup of Meshes Of The Afternoon with the Curb Your Enthusiasm soundtrack. Gotta say it erally works.

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95. SHOWGIRLS (Paul Verhoeven, 1995, USA) [628 points; 4 votes]
S&S: 1,176 | TSPDT: 1,297 | BOXD: DNP

MORBS SEZ: "Sorry kids, it sucks. (Every counterrevolution has to begin somewhere.) ... my central problem w/ Showgirls is it's juvenile, and not in a way that personally appeals to me (ie not THAT gay)"

Cronenberg's doesn't really have anything comparable to Showgirls in his ouevre - can't decide if that's a good or bad thing
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:14 AM

You know that scene where they imply that Nomi is going to be a big star in the tradition of LaToya Jackson and Paula Abdul? They totally imply Paula Abdul starred in topless musicals on broadway! I swear, Showgirls totally slanders Paula Abdul's good name!
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:20 PM

"Showgirls" wins [over "Roadhouse"], and I haven't even seen it. What decides it? Believe it or not, KILLING JOKE have a track ("Hollywood Babylon") on the soundtrack (unavailable elsewhere). Huzzah!
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:27 PM

Not a huge Kurosawa fan, my favourite is _High and Low_, with Mifune at a lower key of intensity.

Behind-The-Poll: Yes, these point totals are weighted with a combination of the number of voters against the average ranking each movie got on the ballots it placed. Don't kvetch, weighting the results didn't change the makeup of the top 100 aside from letting two movies in and ushering two movies out. Showgirls was one of the two beneficiaries. I owed Morbs that much.

I just watched the Deren, or, rather, re-watched b/c my film professor screened it. Just about every cool Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel video is a descendant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teiji_Ito
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshes_of_the_Afternoon

what did i learn about on wikipedia today?

The original print had no score. However, a musical score influenced by classical Japanese music was added in 1959 by Deren's third husband, Teiji Ito.[1][4][5]

ok, now it makes more sense. i could not reconcile the music i was hearing with 1943, even though it seemed just barely possible!

The YouTube version I saw had an electronic score.

Meshes is my favorite Kate Bush video.

Possibly nothing more needs to be said about Showgirls, now officially a Great Film, but here I'll note that both KJB and myself were among the four voters.

Meshes also referenced in Sun Ra's Space is the Place movie.

"Cronenberg doesn't really have anything comparable to Showgirls in his oeuvre"

Stereo has some gratuitous topless scenes, but it's not the same.

Possibly nothing more needs to be said about _Showgirls_, now officially a Great Film, but here I'll note that both KJB and myself were among the four voters.

Rose: “I know what you mean. I should have said no to the Miss St. Olaf beauty pageant. It was 1951. That was the first year they let humans enter too. I was way ahead after the evening-gown and log-rolling competition. People don't realize how hard it is to roll a log when you're wearing an evening gown. And the shocker is I lost out on the intelligence quiz.”

Dorothy: “Quelle surprise!”

voted for a different verhoeven but showgirls ebbed at the edge of my top 25 anyway

I had several Verhoeven in top competition.

he is the goat

did you all abide by the "one per director" rule? or wait, was that an actual rule in the poll? i can't remember. either way, i followed that rule

my ballot is as boring as all of mine on any other poll, but i'm hoping some of them place so i can see how bill trashes them! :)

I tried to.

Wasn’t a hard-and-fast rule, rather a helpful guiding principle to come up with a more balanced ballot. Think Eric set the example when he did his personal countdown elsewhere.

I have never seen Showgirls. Is it considered camp?

It used to be considered crap.