who is Bob Lefsetz?

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lefsetz says some silly inelegantly-expressed things but he doesn't strike me as a bad person. popism was a not so thinly-veiled attack on boomers so let's not head for our fainting couches when a boomer gets ticked off.

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 25 October 2021 12:45 (two years ago) link

are you a boomer yourself

Murgatroid, Monday, 25 October 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link

And you were fans of certain acts and bought their new albums without hearing them first. But then you listened to FM radio to find out what else was great. That was the culture, you needed to know, the country ran on music, maybe the entire world. The musicians were testing limits, pushing the envelope, and then it all imploded. It was a golden era and you only know this if you lived through it and most people did not and get it all wrong.

This feels to me like someone who judges the current state of literature by what books are sold in his supermarket

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:11 (two years ago) link

Based on what I saw in said section yesterday in Walgreens, it's a lot of shirtless cowboys.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 October 2021 15:14 (two years ago) link

But I like Cormac McCarthy

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link

how does this guy make his money

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link

first they came for the boomers and i did nothing, for i was not a boomer

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:22 (two years ago) link

how does this guy make his money

Doesn't he give expensive speeches to tech executives and corporate scumbags older than himself who want to feel clued-in?

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:25 (two years ago) link

I wonder if he gets a percentage of the streaming money for “Fuck Like A Beast”

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:28 (two years ago) link

Sanneh was born in 1976, if he wants to write about hip-hop, fine

sanneh's next article: why hiphop exposes all previous genres (and their fans) to be the assholes that they are.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:39 (two years ago) link

There’s “out of touch Boomer,” and then there’s “telling a Black music critic he should stick to hip hop.”

... (Eazy), Monday, 25 October 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link

are you a boomer yourself

i guess? 63? old enough to think that deliberately misreading his (admittedly silly) comment on age as being about race is disingenuous.

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 25 October 2021 18:29 (two years ago) link

ok boomer

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 25 October 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link

the rap against ageism

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 25 October 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link

I just finished the Sanneh book. It's good, and it's nothing if not well-researched. It's about more than just one generation's perception of rock 'n' roll, which may be what throws Lefsetz. Also, it's explicitly about the evolution of the major genres from 1970 on so it's not trying to tell the whole history of rock 'n' roll (although there's some backtracking to provide relevant context).

Not being that familiar with Lefsetz's schtick, I would be curious when exactly in his opinion "it all imploded."

Josefa, Monday, 25 October 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link

when exactly in his opinion "it all imploded."

When they stopped playing Doobie Brothers deep tracks on the radio.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 25 October 2021 20:51 (two years ago) link

the exact moment he crossed the 50% baldness threshold

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Monday, 25 October 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link

When he caught WRKI I95 NOT playing three Led Zeppelin sings in a row without a commercial break on “Get the Led Out Monday.”

Typo? Negative! (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 26 October 2021 00:48 (two years ago) link

four weeks pass...

it's important to remember who the real victim is here!

So this ignorant punk uses the N-Word. He's so dumb and uninformed that he doesn't realize only Black people can utter it, like Dave Chappelle at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony. But Wallen, like the rest of young America, has listened to a zillion rap songs, he's invested in the culture, because hip-hop is American culture, but since he's living in the boonies he doesn't know how to behave, what he can say or what he can't. It's not like he used the N-Word as a put-down, in fact it was as a term of endearment. That doesn't justify its use, but the penalty here far outweighs the crime.

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link

i think i'd like to start an online harassment campaign to get this fucking dunce to just shut up. I'VE HAD ENOUGH DAMMIT.

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:52 (two years ago) link

lefsetz can't be canceled because nobody knows what the hell he does

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link

that's what i mean, i don't want him to be "CANCELLED" or whatever — just stop talking, friend. we're all tired of it.

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link

nobody knows what the hell he does

Professional Cloud Yeller At-er

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link

in that case, maybe he can be canceled by a lightning bolt

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:59 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

yes, there are record stores, selling vinyl, catering to the diehards, but the truth is the masses have moved on to streaming, on demand, and there are always Luddites and fetishists keeping the old game alive. Hell, people ride HORSES!

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 28 December 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKFaGDrOfrI

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 December 2021 21:19 (two years ago) link

it's amazing how his big insight is "streaming is popular" and he just keeps repeating it forever

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 28 December 2021 22:51 (two years ago) link

And the biggest star to die is John Madden. Bigger than the passing of Harry Reid. And you know why...BECAUSE HE WAS HONEST!

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 31 December 2021 16:51 (two years ago) link

i've written about a dozen different responses to that and have deleted all of them because i think it's reached a point where i don't understand the joke anymore. legitimately confused here.

but i mean . . . okay, sure. get 'em, lef!

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Friday, 31 December 2021 18:18 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

When was the last time we had a "Squid Game" in the music business...GNARLS BARKLEY?

roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Thursday, 27 January 2022 05:05 (two years ago) link

Put this man out to pasture

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 January 2022 05:06 (two years ago) link

A similar dynamic is at play when comparing BTS’ Butter with Adele’s Easy on Me. Easy on Me was the cultural moment, with the massive initial wave of listening soon dropping off, while Butter was a cultural movement, which sustained throughout the first 6 days of release at pretty much the same level. Adele was Bond, while BTS was Squid Game – perhaps no coincidence that their nationalities match too.

west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 27 January 2022 15:41 (two years ago) link

https://musicindustryblog.wordpress.com/2021/10/25/adele-is-bond-and-bts-is-squid-game%EF%BF%BC/

The letter is interesting because he makes an interesting observation but just absolutely whiffs on the follow-up and clearly has no metric for anything beyond "people I talk to on the internet"

west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 27 January 2022 15:46 (two years ago) link

Like if the numbers/cultural impact reveals anything, it's how much the "conversation" is — and always has been — driven by the likes and whims of middlebrow white people

west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 27 January 2022 15:49 (two years ago) link

Easy on Me is 10 on the US Spotify Top 50 US and 6 on Top 50 Global

Butter isn't on either chart

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 January 2022 16:07 (two years ago) link

Lefsetz should stick to rapping.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 January 2022 16:15 (two years ago) link

I need Lefsetz to get into NFTs. I need this to live

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 27 January 2022 17:28 (two years ago) link

omg

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 January 2022 18:06 (two years ago) link

OK, years of giving him shit, so going to just say this one on Neil Young, Rogan, and disinformation is good, despite

So we're supposed to give Rogan a pass because there are worse offenders? How do we stop the insanity? Where's Susan Powter when we need her!

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Saturday, 29 January 2022 03:59 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Awards shows are dead. Come up with something different. I could give and have given multiple ideas, but the Grammy organization doesn't listen

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 01:27 (two years ago) link

lol

ass time permits (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 01:28 (two years ago) link

but the Grammy organization doesn't listen

OMG TELL ME ABOUT IT LEF ON THE FUCKEN MARK MAN!!

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 02:52 (two years ago) link

(is how I imagine the average Lefsetz reader responds)

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 02:53 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

this might less be lefsetz than the wsj article that inspired his latest screed, but this is just blatantly untrue.

2019's most streamed act, Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road," garnered in excess of one billion streams.

"Roddy Ricch's "The Box" was the biggest streaming track of 2020, with 920 million streams.

As for last year's biggest smash, Dua Lipa's "Levitating," it was streamed a grand total of 627 million times.

the original song has 516 million streams on spotify, sure, but the dababy-featuring remix (the one that spent all that time on the charts) has 1.3 billion streams on spotify alone

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 19:36 (one year ago) link

facts don't care bout yr feelins, lef

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 19:47 (one year ago) link

(also thank you to those dedicated folks who actually read his ramblings and post highlights here. you have a patience for bullshit that is truly admirable.)

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 19:49 (one year ago) link

this is the wsj paragraph he got the info from...

Lil Nas X’s “Old Town Road” became the most streamed song of 2019 by raking in more than one billion on-demand audio streams—a milestone no other song has managed to achieve, according to Luminate Data, formerly Nielsen Music. The top single in 2020, Roddy Ricch’s “The Box,” garnered 920 million on-demand audio streams; Dua Lipa’s “Levitating” hit 627 million in 2021.

...which suggests luminate/nielsen is to blame for that whopper. though it isn't 100 percent clear, since the luminate attribution is in the first sentence and the whopper is in the second sentence. for whatever that's worth.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 20:24 (one year ago) link

levitating came out in 2020 originally, so maybe they're just counting 2021 streams?

it would've made more sense to pick a song originally released in 2021, idk

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 20:27 (one year ago) link

Lil Nas X has two 2021 songs that broke a billion streams, but maybe Lef never heard them


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