Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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indexed i need to know if you've heard the lillywhite sessions and how they compare to busted stuff for u

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:51 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

haven't listened to either in at least a decade but will revisit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omm8aM0TxlY

i love that the only full album upload of the lillywhite sessions on youtube is this dumb game

Listening now. Not to go back to the same well, but is the "JTR" chorus an intentional interpolation of the "Rain down/come on rain down on me" bit of "Paranoid Android"?

it's definitely possible

All of Before These Crowded Streets is legit. I suspect it was at least partially inspired by OK Computer: it's the only one of their pre-Stand albums that feels like it has a cohesive narrative structure; it's full of religious imagery; the growling angry Dave energy on "The Last Stop," "Don't Drink the Water," and "Halloween" is very "You don't remember, you don't remember/ Why don't you remember my name?" Also the album that I think showcases Carter the most.

― Indexed, Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:23 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

the crazy part about this stuff -- and what makes before these crowded streets so interesting i think -- is it really goes against the grain of what dmb's like ... audience & marketing & the cliche version of them really is, to me. As if their entire image was about smuggling this dark brooding stuff into ... sorry john mayer ... a john mayer record, him as like a distillation of what made them appealingly fratty

or maybe at the time bc of grunge this kind of sour energy fit completely within frattiness & i'm just seeing it backwards, as darkness kind of bled from frat music in the 00s

I don't have a great view of all the live albums they've put out over the years but I believe Live in Chicago was recorded on the Before These Crowded Streets tour and has some pretty great stuff on it. Need to go back to it but always loved this version of "What Would You Say" with Maceo Parker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNB2rYfc7pk

i have actually never listened to under the table and dreaming in full. "satellite" is lovely

How do you feel about "Typical Situation"?

Very nostalgic all of this is in a very personal way that goes way beyond whether it's "cool" or not. Hard to explain.

i really have yet to dislike a song lol, "typical situation" was a highlight

i recommend the music video for satellite if you haven't seen it

I wondered how much more dark brooding is on Before these Crowded Streets than sous la table. I sometimes think the biggest difference is the choice of lead single. So I tried pairing up similar tracks:

life is good song: The Best of What's Around - Pantala Naga Pampa
just goofin song: What Would You Say - Stay (Wasting Time)
thinkin bout stuff song: Satellite - Spoon
internal suffering growler song: Rhyme & Reason - Halloween
uncomfortably "sexy" song: Lover Lay Down - Rapunzel
things ain't so bad, i really should be happy song: Jimi Thing - Pig
spooky, driving verses with happy chorus song: Warehouse - The Stone
carpe diem(B): Ants Marching - The Dreaming Tree

This is where the pairings become worse:
Pay for What You Get - The Last Stop I'd say these are both dark and brooding though with themes of very different scale. I'd say 'Pay For What You Get' is darker due to the more personal scale and the lack of hope/remedy.

Typical Situation - Don't Drink the Water Typical situation obviously inverts the dark brooding in the chorus.

Dancing Nancies - Crush Lyrics are obv different, but I swear you could play the 'Crush' bassline over 'Dancing Nancies' and it would fit. please try it in your head. These songs are similar.

always just thought this band was boring, saw em live twice in the late 90, total snoozefest. Idk, my uncle has played in a lot of funky acid jazz type bands that jam out and I like that stuff a lot more.

Did your uncle jam out in a football stadium?

I worry about potential bias from venue size, expectation, degree to which the performer is your uncle, etc.

this band was my first conert :( i don't remember anything about it

yeah nah i guess I just mean, using “jazz chords” and stuff. I guess dmb had stuff like that but idk wasn’t feeling their jammage

i have always loathed DMB after i did a summer stock production where i roomed with a guy who wouldn't stop fucking playing it all day and all night
don't feel bad about not reinvestigating this now

Was it a Dave Matthews Band musical you were in

DMB was always weird to me because when they were getting big I knew a bunch of people who went to college with him, and one who dated him. The general consensus was that he was a goofball who told poop jokes

The bear eating its own head malfunctioned again last night in the technically ambitious "What Would You Play." Commenting on the disastrous state of the production, Dave Matthews said he is "shakin like a monkey, a lil baby."

I recall a good poop joke told on a certain bridge in chicago

xp it was love's labor's lost iirc

and maybe not xp

full band "#41" sounds like Jean Valjean singing "Who Am I?"

At the time, my reasons were named Brock, Chad, Tad, Chip, Carter, Justin, Lance, Rick, The Stever, et al.

https://preview.redd.it/z6yxmj1c65ty.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=621cde3a4c7a05043d8803e32a478eb87b326ba5

Oh god, identify a single post that causes horrifying flashbacks.

I should've included "Trigger Warning: Douchebag hats".

Happy DMB-Tour-Bus-Dumps-Shit-On-Tourists Day

happy poopaversary

At the Aug. 25 press conference to reveal the videotape, Mayor Richard Daley called the dumping “absolutely unacceptable,” but also noted that he considered Matthews’ “a very good band.”

Someone who has seen the Dave Matthews Band 159 times names her reasons why DMB fans are so loyal: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/29/style/dave-matthews-band-dmb.html

"blackmail"

I can’t read it with the paywall, but one of the two paragraphs I can see suggests that you have somewhat buried the lead:

Josh Roberts, 42, a special-education teacher in Las Vegas, who has seen the Dave Matthews Band, or DMB, 523 times, stood in that line. Mr. Roberts estimates that he has spent $100,000 on tickets and travel since discovering the band as a struggling high school junior in 1995. “This band has songs about love, depression, sex, things that you connect to,” he said.

I am pretty sure you do not connect to sex at all, Josh

a struggling high school junior in 1995

What kind of a high-school student would fall in love with this band? I always thought of DMB as a form of adult contemporary. Shouldn’t one be discovering better music in teenage years?

What kind of a high-school student would fall in love with this band?

My friends discovered DMB in senior year high school ('95) and it became serious in college ('96 through '99). I stood there tapping my foot.

DMB didn't exist when I was in high school but I will confess that in 1993ish, when I was in college, they were minor local notables but not superstars.

If you saw them in a restaurant, it was okay to be mildly excited but you also had to be be cool. Like, you could maybe casually point and whisper, but you weren't supposed to go over to their table and gush at them. I am pretty sure I have said this before so I won't go over it again.

What kind of a high-school student would fall in love with this band?

Band geeks.

when I was in high school several of my photography classmates went to a DMB concert and an anecdote one of them was excitedly sharing with her peers about how she and her friends were relatively close to the stage, shouting "Dave! Daaaaave!" has stuck in my head for probably 25 years now

these were mostly preppie types, but the excited "Daaaave!" hippie-ish girl was, the last time I looked it up, a yoga instructor in southern california

DMB: come for the songs about love, stay for the songs about sex.

I remember being so disappointed when a friend who was into Sonic Youth and stuff in high school started following Dave in college. I think it was mostly about the scene, although she was a bit of a cool name geek too.

I can't hang with the music, but I've come to enjoy his interviews, he always says some weird non-sequitur shit and has good random stories. Recently on Time Crisis and Questlove Supreme.

I think if you are Dave, or Ed Sheeran, or Jon Bon Jovi or the like, you've just got to have a sense of humor and at least the guise of humbleness to counterbalance your inexplicable success.

pretty sure I've said this before but I am from Charlottesville VA, and all of these guys have the most stellar local reputations for giving back to their community bigtime (charity, donations, starting small businesses, seed money, loans, etc)

Thanks, sleeve. I am only a casual occasional visitor to CVille but I am glad to hear that. I spent so much time in terrible 90s bands at colleges along I-64; it was my formative "scene."

peak DMB era

Exactly. I can still enjoy "Satellite," which is a deeply strange piece of music and a good song. But you will not see me following his next tour or whatever.

lmao I just remembered that my parents went to a DMB show that was at a local minor league baseball stadium

me: "ok, you know I'm not really a DMB fan. this is not about that. I am just warning you that I do not think you will like the crowd at this concert"
parents: "we've been to a lot of shows I am sure it'll be fine"

after the show
parents: "that crowd was not good"

Whitecaps abound.

At one time, they were capable of very, very good live shows. Also capable of fairly shitty shows. They were a sort of band for kids who thought that jam bands were interesting to visit but not to live there.