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All the current prestige TV scores are extremely Kontakt-based in a very entry-level way.

It's been that way for a while now, hasn't it? Or at least happens so much I don't even notice it anymore. I still think there's levels to how well these sampled instruments are used - I kinda liked the White Lotus score, which didn't try or need to shoot for realism, but thought Vigil's score was very fake and anonymous for a thriller show, like something I would make! (That whole show felt like it was made quickly.)

I feel like I've seen or read or heard the story being told by Hulu's "Dopesick" 100 times (hell, one of my best friends is a lead lawyer in the Ohio trial in progress), but damn, this cast makes it tempting: Kaitlyn Dever, Michael Keaton, Peter Sarsgard, Rosario Dawson, Will Poulter, Michael Stuhlbarg, Mare Winningham, Ray McKinnon ...

We watched the first episode and it felt pretty on-the-nose.

the (nonfiction) book is excellent but even w such a good cast i feel like there’s no way to avoid corniness by dramatizing it
it feels like a bad idea to me

They had the family literally sitting at a big long table in the wing of a gallery they donated, with a lawyer at either end and a big gap in the middle, talking past each other using the lawyers. That felt really freaking clumsy.

I must admit some of what was revealed I did not know - particularly that they invented the concept of "breakthrough pain".

Keaton's good in this though, if a little "shucks I'm just a simple cornball mining town GP".

It’s kind of strange to watch these shows filmed in the past year, and which take place in an alternate, non-Covid universe (or maybe “2019?).

Just finished The Other Two... LMAO at the final joke (esp. in relation to my comment above)!

it's a great punchline

I tried to watch squid game but it felt like a huge cliche to me and very 2D. I also couldn’t give two shits about the main character and didn’t believe he even cared about his mother or daughter.

We were ready to tap out after 1.5 episodes but kept going and it gets better.

man alive you are correct, he did not care about his wife or daughter, at least not enough. he’s a thoughtless asshole. this is established in the first 5 minutes. but the show, like a lot of good shows, is about what happens to people when they’ve been through extreme experiences

i binged 6 episode of this in a row yesterday, fact fans, and as soon as i make myself some lunch i am finishing this shit off

i think, also like a lot of good shows (breaking bad?) it starts from a position of pure pulp melodrama and then starts finding nuance and complication as the characters stretch to become better (or worse) versions of themselves

there are great moments of tenderness but it is quite a grim and nasty show for much of its running time, let’s brr, & i wouldn’t blame anyone for just deciding that’s not how they want to spend their time

there seem to be a lot of movies/shows lately about rich weirdos entrapping normal people in elaborate torture/debasement schemes for their own amusement

this might be the best one though

Yeah i can't be at it rn. Did recently finish sweet and funny Netflix k-drama "When the Camellia Blooms" and highly recommend it. Small town cop, killer mystery, romantic comedy stuff.

It is gory but I don't find it that grim (as the whole premise is so ridiculous) compared to say some of the serial killer/crime shows around these days

Are the “games” in Squid Game televised/broadcast (is it that kind of “dystopia”), or is the thing just a private horror? (it definitely sounds too gruesome for me, I’m not gonna watch it)

They're televised but only for a private audience of extremely rich people

Gotcha thx

Anyone else watching Invasion?

Was enjoying the slow build up of the first couple of episodes but as they released three at once was expecting a bit more from the third one, not just more glacial paced drip feeding of the actual invasion and at least a cliffhanger where I didn't have to Google Japanese words to find out its significance

watched ep 1 tonight & like it overall, bad accents notwithstanding lol

This season of You (which has been a generally trashy show all around) is fucking hilarious.

I'll probably watch it even though it is basically trash

entirely entertaining

Speaking of composing for TV, I always liked the score to "Only Murders in the Building," so I was excited to read this interview with the composer:

https://www.avclub.com/breaking-down-the-main-musical-theme-of-only-murders-in-1847875310

But then I read the comments, and someone noted:

I know Nick (Diamonds) Thorburn, from The Unicorns/Islands fame was pissed at the theme for this show, saying it pretty much straight ripped off the theme from the Serial podcast, which he wrote.

Funny how there’s zero mention of he or that pod here.

I'm one of the few that never listened to "Serial," so I listened to the theme and ... yeah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxC6qXL6-HQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0v6dmme1DU

Assuming that comment's not from you, fgti, I wonder if you've heard similar murmurings.

you is great because it's unmitigated trash

xp I'm no musicologist, but sounds more like an "homage" than a ripoff? (the show's about a podcast, yeah?)

The show's not really about a podcast, but there is a podcast in it, and *that* podcast has its own theme separate from the show's theme. Which is kind of meta: show with people producing a podcast gets its own podcast-like theme. I think what the commentator was noting was the composer talking a lot about various inspirations but failing to mention the one his own theme sounds most like, which also happens to be the theme to one of the most popular podcasts of all time. They do have a lot in common, so homage or no I'm surprised he didn't bring it up.

Ah, I see – didn't realize that the composer talked about inspirations in the interview.

Quite enjoying INVASION too, although pocket-size fascist schoolboy character is a massive pain in the hole and I hope he dies ASAP

i love setting up the broken marriage storyline right up front AS the invasion is starting

I keep expecting him to start belting out 'Never Gonna Give You Up' xp

Finished Squid Game, which I liked overall with some reservations.

I had the basic ending of the game figured out as soon as they announced the rules. Marbles episode was probably the best. They did make us "care" about the characters as the show went on.

Did not like the final scene at all and it seemed only necessary to give us the possibility of S2.

Spoilers:

What was the point of the policeman subplot? It basically went nowhere.

All of the class/capitalism stuff seemed unnecessary. The rich people in the audience were distractingly bad. Almost like the producers said, "you're going to be wearing masks so you don't even have to act, we'll just get anyone off the street for these roles." It criticizes individual "bad" rich people instead of the system that allows the players to fall through the cracks. A veneer of criticism of capitalism while actually reinforcing it. I'm not good on class stuff, but something was off.

oops entire last paragraph should have been hidden.

The rich people in the audience were distractingly bad. Almost like the producers said, "you're going to be wearing masks so you don't even have to act, we'll just get anyone off the street for these roles."

"They didn’t just pick us up off the street!"

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/19/they-didnt-just-pick-us-up-off-the-street-meet-the-globally-derided-squid-game-vips

Ha, glad it wasn't just me.

Also, that article doth protest too much.

Squid Game article above, VIP 4 more confirms his hamminess than justifies the quality of his acting. Not that I was expecting great acting, but each of the VIPs seemed to base their character on the emperor in the "Heavy Metal" Richard Corben segment.

Had the same negative reaction as man alive to the main character, though he somewhat redeems himself with his early game performance, and will hopefully emerge a better person. Watching last two episodes tonight. The Battle Royale comparisons are apt, but I loved how episode 2's game changer separates SG from BR.

whoa I didn't realize that was Geoffrey Giuliano as a VIP.

I cant recall if Ive kvetched about this before here or on another thread but for the love of motherfuck what is Apple TV+ problem with the GAMMA in their shows?

We tried watching the first 2 episodes of "Invasion" and every single scene was at best dim, and at worst "lit by a moon and nothing else" pitchblack. granted we were watching in daytime but Ive never had this issue with anything but Apple + shows. It feels like an asthetic at this point and a fucking annoying one.

I do know that Apple+ is more prone to crashing or failing to load than any of our other streaming services. Also, it and Disney occasionally have these annoying audio pops. I looked it up once and an explanation I found is that the shows/signals are mixed for 7.1 sound, so if you have an older amp or one not quite up to current specs it sometimes does that when it's decoding or whatever it is it does.

When I had Apple+, it would occasionally freeze then restart my TV. Also, the closed captioning regularly lagged, or froze then rushed ahead to catch up with the dialog.

yeah it's a real p.o.s. at least on my roku tv

i couldnt even get the app to work on my mother's FireTV a few weeks ago, it would open and immediately crash. No idea why. works fine on one of my FireTVs and obviously is fine on the apple TV devices we have.

Need to come in here again on Goliath. I think this season might be the best ever. Less repulsive wackadoo stuff than S2, more burrowing into families and interpersonal rivalries and how the past never lets you go. I have never seen a lusher looking show. I feel like every shot they're challenging their future selves: "top THIS!" The rain, the neon, the smoke, the darkness, the warm glows of the city, the long rides hanging off of trolley cars. BRUCE DERN. Nina Arianda continuing to MVP her way through every episode. The pulpy moonshot legal strategies. It's exhilarating and crazy and great. And look I'm not going to lie I now have a couple of Tania Raymonde movies downloaded why well it's not because of their IDMB scores okay

Agree, fourth (and final) season a major improvement on the third, which I hated. Thornton's dream sequences in this one are kind of annoying, but it does look incredible (and they busted out the music from The Conversation!) and the villains are great across the board.

I think it goes S4 > S1 > S3 > S2

Watched Ep. 1 of The Flight Attendant, and started Ep. 2, but bailed once it became clear that she was gonna keep having dull, expository conversations with the dead guy. Also couldn't see how they were gonna sustain interest in that thin-seeming premise for 8 eps. (...and it was renewed for S2!?)

The Flight Attendant is actually pretty good, but it's about as one-and-done a thing as I can imagine. The idea of a second season is absurd.

Speaking of heavily “inspired by” theme music (and graphics), check out that show’s opening titles side-by-side with Mad Men’s!

i loved the flight attendant even though it was pure trash. zosia mamet worth the price of admission, ihibidtae

Finished Y the Last Man tonight...it wasn't great or even very good TV, but it was good enough that I wish it had gotten another season to winnow out some storylines and get focused. The last episode seemed to be taking it back closer to the comics.