Shall we maybe anticipate David Gordon Green and Danny McBride's HALLOWEEN sequel/reboot?

Neanderthal yes, then fact that they're all gathered at the hospital to BURN THE WITCH oh wait he's down at THE PLACE HE ALWAYS GOES slashing the fuck out of whoever happens to be there, this is surely commentary, meta shit, blahblahblah

H3SOTW if it even belongs here
HALLOWEEN like the actual motherfucken HALLOWEEN
This thing here, Halloween Kills, fucken masterpiece
Halloween II was cool
The first DGG one
I was gunna write H20 here but on rethinking it was trash. All of the rest are trash. I never actually watched the second Zombie sorry or Resurrection but I'm not going near the big trash fire I set of all this, oh was there something worthwhile in there? too bad, I already lit the fire

Brad, what do you think of the Freddy films? I haven't rewatched them in some time (ever?) but I seem to recall them having more going on than in these movies (from FX to a talkative villain to psychological stuff).

I used to watch Halloween II on TV all the time and always remembered it being pretty solid, a good, proper sequel with a bad reputation. But it's been a while.

BTW, I didn't mean this new one was "trash" in the rape-and-pillage Rob Zombie sense, I meant that it was trash in the sense that very little effort seemed to be put into it beyond the kills, and even those were kind of dumb. And it was boring; stuff the early scene with Hall and car in the parking lots just went on forever without generating any suspense. It felt almost like, well, a padded, draggy late-run sequel by a young director that ran out of time and money or ideas or something, not established, esteemed filmmakers.

Imo, of course. I'm glad y'all enjoyed it. I'm just at the stage where certain things in movies trigger me to turn it off. It's got to be the right/wrong kind of dumb at the right time, and this one tilted bad for me pretty quickly. I think I read something that more or less described Michael as its protagonist, and maybe tonally that was it? Because I just didn't care at all what he was doing or why, or about anyone else, really. And not in an anonymous slasher-fodder way, just that they made just enough effort to make me wish they made a bigger, better effort. Reviews (even the positive ones!) on places like Metacritic and RT seem to be pretty consistently meh or harshly negative, so I'm not alone.

Though I do love Judy Greer without reservation in just about everything.

h20 is not trash come on

its conception of laurie’s ptsd >>>>>> dgg’s

if you liked halloween kills for how freaking gross it was you should watch the second zombie movie. skip the first even tho i love it now, but ppl find it so alienating

to your point about everyone being at the hospital when myers is actually going home, i agree that was great.. a very cool reversal of halloween (1978) where loomis and brackett stake out the myers place all night while he’s enjoying his killing spree down the street

nightmare on elm street is my least fave of the big horror franchises and it’s mostly bc i don’t love 4 and i actually have no idea how i feel about 5 (the one with the baby). i love freddy’s dead though, that movie is so fun. everything else besides the remake is great ofc

i do love that they think Bilbo Baggins is an all-powerful murderer and chase him for 20 minutes

Gotta give the mob something to do.

Though it would have been funny if, while wind-up-demon Michael was out randomly stalking, the angry mob just kept accidentally killing innocent people again and again. That's what I loved about "Tucker and Dale Vs. Evil," how the college kids just kept finding imaginative ways to take themselves out while a perplexed Tucker and Dale watched on.

i do love that they think Bilbo Baggins is an all-powerful murderer and chase him for 20 minutes

― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:21 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

we should chase this guy who doesn’t look like michael myers at all and is way shorter than him (albeit iirc most of the ppl chasing him had not encountered michael directly yet)

after all those years of pent-up rage and fear, you could have probably put the mental institution jumpsuit on a donkey and the mob would have been chasing it

If I was the mental patient, I woulda said LOOK, IT'S THE DUDE FROM WEIRD SCIENCE and started a counter-stampede

thought this letterboxd review was excellent and really nailed why i liked this https://boxd.it/2danOV

Michael isn't Evil. Michael isn't anything. Michael is randomness, Michael is chance. Michael is the cold, uncaring universe, the worst possible outcome of anyone's fate. Michael is a metaphor, and when anyone fully engages with him as an idea, it destroys them.

I don't know, maybe in a different movie. The fireman scene, they give Michael a big iconic out of the fire intro, the sort of thing that I assume is supposed to earn cheers in theaters. Like, "oh shit, Michael's *mad*, and he's gonna get 'em!," this hulking guy with a pickaxe standing there on a burning porch while the firemen stare slack-jawed before revving their various implements of destructions (and, er, a firehose). But we, the audience, we know better. Because yeah, he's gonna get 'em! This isn't random. Random is scary, or at base, suspenseful. This is Michael (re)introduced not as an idea or metaphor, but as an angry, powerful, pissed off, out for blood sadistic monster that *wants* to take out these firemen. Which is to say, Jason. If he was a roving act of chaos I could get with that review. Face him, cross him and you're dead. Bad luck. Fate. But too often here he's the traditional slasher, (often literally) toying or playing with his victims. That's partly why I didn't think the film's psychology too well thought out or compelling. It's muddled and contradictory.

josh you watched 50 minutes of this and quit, stop

Let me put in a kind word for A Nightmare On Elm Street II.

I watched 40 minutes then fast forwarded a lot of the rest, to be more accurate. And then watched the mob climax. But I did brush up on the wiki plot summary!

I still like that Michael briefly does martial arts blocks when the first few firemen attack him

I actually thought of martial arts movies, too, when they attacked him one at a time.

The thing that has bothered me about 2018's Halloween.

The British female podcaster, at the gas station, says "I gotta do a number two" and heads to the ladies room.

She sits on the toilet. And at the time she has no idea Michael is coming. A decent amount of time passes.

Then he comes in and it's clear he's up to no good. She starts trying to escape under the bathroom stall, her pants are clearly up, and there's no sign she pulled them up as she rushed to duck under the stall with no hesitation.

Was she...

1) taking a dump with her pants ON

2) did she surreptitiously pull her pants up when we weren't looking?

3) was she secretly trying to get away from her husband

where’s the loo? … the bathroom?

i hate all of the funny dialogue in that movie

"I got peanut butter on my penis"

i also kind of hate the restaging of the classroom scene, at least until you see jlc through the window

i think the PREY BECOMES THE PREDATOR theme of that film is at least as dumb as the WE’RE THE MONSTERS NOW angry mob stuff in this

and tbh i liked the angry mob staircase scenes, they stressed me the hell out

Given the budget and talent potential, happy HK was a Peacock freebie. The entire "evil dies tonight" hospital crowd section with the DO YOU SEE?! "now he's turning us into monsters" line, every scene with Tommy Doyle over acted by intensely staring, jaw-clenching AMH* and his prop bat, every scene with the granddaughter (back with the jerk boyfriend, now she's a vigilante, etc.), JLC philosophizing = groan. On the plus side, the film looked great. Cool that the same Lindsey actress from the first Halloween returned to play her as an adult. And always good to see Judy Greer. Wish she was in the 3rd.. * To be fair, that's how he always looks.

y'know what really makes me mad about Halloween: Resurrection is if the dude on the hood of the car WASN'T Michael, and his throat was crushed so he couldn't talk, why the fuck was he acting maniacal like Michael while he was on top of the vehicle.

"One more day 'til Halloween (Ends), one more day 'til ... Silver Shamrock!"

Halloween Ends is now described as Laurie Strode's "journey". Maybe they're defining "journey" as "stuck in a runaway car in a '70s movie as the car plummets off a cliff"?

it’s completely unthought marketing speak BUT this one is set four years after the other two, and those suggest strongly that Green/McBride are intersted in showing character development for their Laurie

i'm excited.

I have seen twice now. I think I liked it, with reservations.

Ultimately, they opted not to go with the obvious tack, where Michael returns years later, formulaicly stabs his way through Haddonfield, and then final boss battle only he loses this time. this time, more examining the effects on tragedy on a community, and how it sometimes rips communities apart (think 9/11). How Myers has left everybody suspicious and paranoid and therefore the violence continues long after he disappears, but now it's civilian on civilian.

Lot of things underdeveloped, so it's not without flaws. It seems a wee bit hard to swallow that Laurie turns on Corey so abruptly, after initially being so sympathetic (that there's dialogue from Corey stating exactly this doesn't exactly make the flaw go away). But it is interesting, the examination of copycat killers, in that copycat killers don't kill for the reason their predecessors did. they are often chasing the glamour, or co-opting the image of the killer for their own purposes. Michael kills indiscriminately, Corey is going after his tormentors, anybody who fucked with him (or his girlfriend). Radio DJ receptionist really the only 'collateral damage'.

I think the sequences with Corey as killer were framed well and effective. I do think there was a missed opportunity to give the town's reaction to those slayings, mistaking them for Michael, and plunging into chaos. Likewise, Michael himself was more of a supporting character in his own franchise, but I get the idea - he's elder now and severely weakened from the beating he took four years ago, so now he's living in a cave and just opportunistically picking off passers-by, not going out and stalking anymore. I think he spares Corey as he looks into his eyes and sees some of himself in him, whereas Corey reinvigorates him enough to get him to go back into society for a few kills, as he gets his taste for it again. but his weakness is why Laurie overpowers him so easily.

as I said, it doesn't all land. there are a lot of leaps of logic (Allyson basically wanting to rip Corey's clothes off the moment she sees him for the first time being one). but Corey's nihilism is at least understandable - he was headed for big things in life, going to college for engineering, and instead he's working a low-paying job as a mechanic, living with his mother who treats him like he's 12, and not being able to venture into public because he's always recognized. and the people tormenting him are doing so for vanity (as the dad points out) rather than real concern for the kid he killed. wearing a mask lets him finally hide and become someone/something else.

fuck. welp. hope nobody enters fearing spoilers. sorry I fucked that up.

New John Carpenter hit quote just droppedhttps://t.co/nfMFAe7lGE pic.twitter.com/CnC9OZxNuE

— John Frankensteiner (@JFrankensteiner) October 12, 2022

lol

Really don’t hate this trilogy, the last one felt v unaware of how daft it was (in good & bad ways) this one was really going for it so it was easy to lean into the groaners. Honestly the best scenes tend to be vignettes completely unconnected to the main story & there are effective gruesome kills imo

There is some surprisingly bad filmmaking in all three

Sebadoh!

whoops, meant that as hidden text. thread now awash in spoilers.

Michael does not kill Sebadoh, fwiw

^didn't stay for the mid-credits tag!

ends was the best of the three imo, brought home the themes of kills and also had a grody dark corrupted vibe anytime they strayed near michael’s hole

i love michael’s hole

sorry forgot this wasn’t the gay thread

lmao

the kill sequences felt like an top tier 80s slasher flick

this one was really going for it so it was easy to lean into the groaners

that's part of why I liked this way more than the last one, though it still feels at times like Green isn't a weird enough director (anymore). like one of the Carrie-ish scenes with Corey and his mom, punctuated by his dad watching from the shadows and saying "I want you to find love" -- I merely appreciated the attempt.

loved however:

the opening scene, the horror of sensing what's about to happen combined with the horror of it happening. plus the way the kid says "ugly-ass boy" more like "ugly ass-boy" (in that kid way of slightly mishearing something and repeating it)

Laurie grinding Michael into paste and then just adding a paragraph to her book, instead of rethinking the whole thing. sort of a hack move, but felt appropriate.

uh, hidden text doesn't go across paragraphs? sorry all.

swear to god the mullet kid looked exactly like someone in my 4th grade class. talked the same too.

also why did so many people in Illinois have NY/Jersey accents.

I saw Halloween Ends last night on Amazon Prime and enjoyed it a lot, it's probably the best of the Green trilogy

extra points for all the menacing shots of empty kitchens and the way that motif is repurposed at the very end

the discussion of the franchise itt makes me want to see the few I've missed