2021 NLDS Los Angeles Dodgers vs San Francisco Giants

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since Bee is, I assume, prostrate on his floor for the foreseeable future; i went to start a poll for the NLCS, but had no idea how to set the time to the first pitch?!

thanks for taking over, yes i'm over baseball for now. anyways, just set it to close on Sunday and it will close at 5 PM Pacific on Saturday Night.

Bee OK, Friday, 15 October 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link

Still thinking about that last call...It's not something a manager can appeal, okay. But I thought the umpires, for anything that happens, have the option of getting together and conferring. Couldn't they ask to look at videotape themselves? Going back to that Denkinger call in 1985, the inning--the 9th--started with the bases empty, the Cardinals up 1-0 in the game and up 3-2 in the series. After Denkinger's missed call, the Royals have a man on first, but the Cardinals are still up 1-0 in the game and 3-2 in the series. And that call is infamous. This one ended the series.

clemenza, Saturday, 16 October 2021 13:22 (two years ago) link

i'm in the "that's baseball" camp i think

typo hell 13: crypto in insidious, though (Karl Malone), Saturday, 16 October 2021 14:56 (two years ago) link

it’s just not feasible to go to the video for every borderline strike call. that this one ended a series is unfortunate, but so it goes

mookieproof, Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link

and unlike the denkinger play, a check-swing is a judgment call

mookieproof, Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link

I understand both of you, but in all honesty, a safe/out play at first seems no more or no less a judgement call to me than a checked swing--or at least in this case, where the bat is so clearly not even close to where you'd call a strike. Anyway, I won't mention it again. I do feel for Giants fans, though; I think they got screwed worse than 2003 Cubs fans or 1996 Orioles fans.

clemenza, Saturday, 16 October 2021 16:12 (two years ago) link

Okay, one last comment. What I think:

Managers obviously should not be allowed to appeal ball/strike calls.
Managers should not be allowed to appeal checked-swing calls.
Umpires should not be allowed to review ball/strike calls.

But: umpires should be allowed to review checked-swing calls, if someone on the crew feels one is needed. 99% of them would still not warrant a review--they would, indeed, fall under the judgement-call umbrella, or the game-situation wouldn't warrant doing so. But this is a rare and extreme case, and I think a review should have been in order.

clemenza, Saturday, 16 October 2021 16:55 (two years ago) link

the ump that made the call had the only angle from which to do so — no other ump on the field would ever question it. if you want the ump in the review room in NYC to be proactive, that’s feasible but also raises a ton of other issues

and just as a human nature thing, i doubt that umpires will be too interested in overruling coworkers who didn’t ask for help

mookieproof, Saturday, 16 October 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link


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