Tom Brady Can Suck My Dick

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What about offensive linemen? There's a lot of white dudes there. Or Shockey? Though he arguably looks like the biggest douche in the league so I'm not really helping anyone with that.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Shockey can suck his own dick.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

http://members.aol.com/bhsu21/shockeyshocked.gif

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

when shockey dies, there's no question that that should be his obituary.

as for shaq, i haven't read the book yet! i totally wanna buy it tho.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, admins! :)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

God, you know, I might have this vague irrational dislike of Tom Brady and his Hype Machine, but really, I mean I qualify that by saying "I'm sure he's a good guy, and he's not bad etc." Shockey though, I would fucking punch in the dick, no joke.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Joey Harrington is not a fratdouche. He plays piano and loves his mother and his favorite pasttime in the world is playing Ms. Pac Man.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

So he's a faggit then?

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Underneath that fratboy exterior beats the heart of a kicker.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

That's the greatest thing anyone's said in a long while.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

no joke!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i liked tom brady until i read this.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

His current "disrespect" beef is stupid, but

1) the Pats *have* been widely disrespected at various points during their run. Exhibit A: widely considered to be the underdogs as the two-time champs playing at home in last year's playoffs against Indy, despite having dominated them for years.

2) the part about people giving up on them earlier in the season is certainly true. It's one thing to look at a 4-4 team with loads of injuries and say that they're done for even if they make the playoffs. But there was a lot of talk of the "even if they get healthy, this team can't win the SB" variety, which is unbelievably dumb considering they already HAVE won the SB with that team. Three times.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 5 January 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

If this asinine stance motivates whatever team they're playing to beat the everliving bejeezus out of the Pasties, I'm totally behind it 110%.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 5 January 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Bradyflakes I'm sure is a Republican. He has shilled for the W.

OTOH, he still drives his 1992 Corolla. They don't even make Corollas anymore!

c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 5 January 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I could never hate on a Wolverine, but on the other hand yeah, I'm pretty sick of him and the Pats at this point. Loved the first Super Bowl team though; taking them plus the 12 or 14 or whatever it was against the Rams was some of the easiest money I've ever made.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 5 January 2006 01:34 (eighteen years ago) link

The Pats are so widely disrespected this year that I was prompted to start a thread on how every goddamn discussion of MVP involves someone shouting "TOM BRADY" over all sensible comers. OK.

I hope Jacksonville beats the shit out of them.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

finished third in the mvp vote! OVER TIKI! this kinda surprised me actually

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe 2 nutjobs voted for Carson Palmer at this point in the season!

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

There's no player I'd like to see take a Theismann-esque injury more than Brady at this point. The "dude has x championship rings" argument is terrible in any team sport, but especially so in the NFL. Not many starting QBs in the NFL that wouldn't have a few rings with that Pats team if they'd been in Brady's place. Hello, Trent Dilfer.

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Saturday, 7 January 2006 10:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh snap. They had some special on NFL Network about MNF's top 36 moments and they actually showed the Theismann injury, like 7 or 8 times, slo mo, regular mo, etc etc etc. Horrifying, haven't seen that in years and it still is like scream-worthy. LEGS DON'T BEND IN 7 PLACES.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Saturday, 7 January 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah you're right mingus - can you imagine how many rings peyton would have if he had future hofers david givens and antowain smith instead of being saddled with marvin harrison and edge?

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 8 January 2006 09:37 (eighteen years ago) link

The Colts never had a defense until this year, whereas the Patriots' defense during their run has been outstanding. How was NE playing earlier this year with all those defensive injuries compared to now with them back? Defense has always been the key for the Patriots. Is Brady a good QB? Yes, he is. But nowhere NEAR the godlike figure the media makes him out to be.

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Monday, 9 January 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Like NE's recieving core is something out of the Houston Texans...Troy Brown, David Patten, David Givens, Kevin Faulk, Deon Branch, Graham and Fauria are all pretty good. Troy Brown has had seasons where he caught 101 and 97 balls, which is near the top of the NFL. There is no individual nearly as great as Harrison, but that is some pretty good depth.

I think Kevin Faulk is the freaking secret weapon for the Pats success. That guy has had so many big plays turning 2 yard screens into big yardage it isn't funny. Faulk is the prototype of what a team wants with a 3rd down back.

Brady has been the perfect QB to go with that defense, as he has only thrown 3 interceptions in all of those playoff games. I'll give you that is impressive. Brady has been good by just not fucking up and having the luxury of never having to really air it out because they are behind.

It is more than Brady. They had a kicker who hit all of the big shots. The Pats got lucky on one of the oddest calls in the history of the game against the Raiders. They got a couple of TDs from their D, a couple of returns broke free (how they beat the Steelers once). Criminy, they won all three SB's by a field goal! It isn't like the Niners or Cowboys beating the Bills or Broncos by 40.

earlnash, Monday, 9 January 2006 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

The premise of this argument is silly. You could take 80% of all SB-winning teams and say "yeah, but they would have still won even if they had (insert name of other very good contemporary quarterback) playing for them". Great teams win championships.

Also, sports media obsessed with winners non-shocker of the millenium. See: Derek Jeter's press vs Derek Jeter's talent.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 January 2006 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

That argument would work if people still gave a shit about Derek Jeter.

The New England offense is terribly overrated and people suck their dick constantly, specifically Tom Brady's, is I believe the premise of the actual argument here.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

but you just picked them to win in denver anyway?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Denver is crap, dude.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

fair enough

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

That being said, I HOPE Denver wins. Something I never thought I would say!

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

See any nationally televised Yankee game for proof that lots of people still think Jeter is the Baseball Jesus. He's kinda turning into the baseball version of Favre -- hasn't won anything in ages, but they talk about him like he wins every year.

I don't think the NE offense is overrated -- last year they were 3rd in points scored in the NFL.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes. Last year.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Your argument is still a bunch of horseshit cos we aren't talking about the games themselves, but all media coverage whatsoever of football. It's pretty easy for me to avoid watching a NE game or avoiding Boston-area press. Not so easy for me to avoid reading sporting press and watching NFL-related tv shows if I want to stay at all in the loop.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a subtle difference there but it's not nearly as large as you're making it out to be. You're telling me it's easy to follow baseball and *completely* tune out the Yankees (who have consistently been the biggest newsmakers in the game during all of our lifetimes)?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

let's talk about clutch hitting!

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Never mind the fact that the Yankees are a big deal win or lose whereas the Pats didn't start getting the national media pimp treatment until they started winning SB's just four years ago.

One could argue that Peyton Manning has received just as much media fawning over the past few years as Brady.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

That argument would work if people still gave a shit about Derek Jeter.

Don't YOU still give a shit about jeter, ally? Or have you gone turncoat national league on us now that you're down in the stix?

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link

One could argue that Peyton Manning has received just as much media fawning over the past few years as Brady.

But plenty of it has been "can't get it done in the big games", a la Marino and Elway, whereas Brady is seemingly always "the next Joe Montana."

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 05:22 (eighteen years ago) link

spin

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Sunday, 15 January 2006 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link

also polyphonic OTM, the Manning media attention is about 2/3 Brady-style bend-over-boyfriend-media and 1/3 "God will he ever do shit," Bruner the conversation is fucking over. The CBS team, Simms and whatshisface, spent the entire Champ Bailey run masturbating over how much heart the Patriots have for, like, running after Champ Bailey. I mean I've sat thru the Cowboys dynasty. The Niners dynasty. This is the worst knob-slobbering I've ever seen. I mean fucking Bailey ran the ball 100 yards and they're talking about how great the Patriots are for like half-assed efforts of trying to catch the dude til their tight end saved the day.

THANK GOD FOR YOU DENVER. I WILL KEEP YOU IN MY PRAYERS FOREVER AND EVER.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Sunday, 15 January 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know how you can hate on Tom Brady..

man, I am sad!

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7403/patsbroncos021dw.jpg

dar1a g (daria g), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Yo Tom,

Getting behind and having to lob deep passes into coverage to make something happen is not as easy as it seems, no?

Welcome to the world that most QBs live within golden boy. It is a whole lot easier game when your D clamps down the other team and gives you choice field position.

Just wait two years Tom when that Pat's D is really fucking old and you are like oldman Farve throwing every third ball forty yards deep to some guy from South Dakota State praying to try and make something happen.

Look kiddo, I had to lead TD drives to win Superbowls, not leave it up to my kicker.

Get it, you are not me.

yours truly,

Joe Montana

Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't see how you can call Watson's effort half-assed. That was one of the best plays I've seen, and if it had gone through the endzone instead of at the .5 yard line, it could have easily wound up as one of the best plays in the history of the postseason.

The bottom line is that the Pats have played well over this stretch, but have also gotten almost every break. Tonight every break went against them. Six turnovers is a hell of a lot, and it was weird to see Brady through a pick, Faulk put the ball on the ground, Brown put the ball on the ground, Vinny missing a chipper, etc. It was the bizarro Patriots.

Brady tonight looked like Peyton has looked in all of the Colts' losses to the Pats... skittish, pissed off, frustrated, continuously hassled, and yet still putting up a decent game.

For me, Brady is Derek Jeter. He has been given the reputation of the ultimate winner. He's a valuable guy, and certainly one of the five best quarterbacks in the NFL, but Derek Jeter and Tom Brady both become scrappy role players when they don't have talent around them, or the talent doesn't perform, and both of them are as capable of making big mistakes and gaffes as anyone.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:11 (eighteen years ago) link

also polyphonic OTM, the Manning media attention is about 2/3 Brady-style bend-over-boyfriend-media and 1/3 "God will he ever do shit," Bruner the conversation is fucking over.

So I was 2/3 correct = mostly correct?

Actually, I think it's 1/2 Brady-style "he's great" fawning, 2/5 "how do you stop Peyton Manning???? How????" hyperbolic chest-beating, and 1/10 "when will he do shit?" sulking (always at the end of the season).

I can't argue about Simms' dick-sucking. All I could think about was "ugh, this is exactly what it's like watching the Yankees play in the postseason."

FUCK TURNOVERS. Bellichick never shows emotion on the sidelines and he was throwing a tantrum after Faulk's fumble.

If Denver play like that that against Indy (or maybe even Pittsburgh), they'll get killed. You can't put up nearly zero offense for three quarters against Peyton Manning et al and wait for turnovers in order to win.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Just wait two years Tom when that Pat's D is really fucking old and you are like oldman Farve throwing every third ball forty yards deep to some guy from South Dakota State praying to try and make something happen.

Beisel: 1978
Colvin: 1977
Green: 1979
Klecko: 1981
Hobbs: 1983
Gay: 1982
Poteat: 1977
Samuel: 1981
Seymour: 1979
Vrabel: 1975
Ty Warren: 1981
Wilfork: 1981
E. Wilson: 1980

Hard to call that an old defense. Sure, Bruschi and Harrison and McGinest are old, but there's a lot of young talent there.

Not to mention that Branch, Givens, Davis, Watson, Graham, most of the O line, are all about the same age... somewhere between 1978 and 1981. This is not an old team.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Derek Jeter and Tom Brady both become scrappy role players when they don't have talent around them, or the talent doesn't perform, and both of them are as capable of making big mistakes and gaffes as anyone.

That comparison doesn't work ... a QB can't run, throw, and catch the ball himself. If the "talent doesn't perform", you'll lose no matter you have at QB.

Derek Jeter never carried the Yankee lineup, with the possible exception of 1999, his best (and MVP-worthy) season. Talent-wise, the Yankee lineup during their run >>>>> the Pats offense during their run.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Derek Jeter never carried the Yankee lineup, with the possible exception of 1999, his best (and MVP-worthy) season.

I hear you saying this, and I agree to a point, but it isn't what I hear from EVERY sportscaster, every talk show host, etc. The adolation in the press and from many fans is very similar, and might i also add that the shortstop is often called the quarterback position in baseball.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:28 (eighteen years ago) link

QB can't run, throw, and catch the ball himself

Don't tell Kordell Stewart!

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think there is any position in baseball that impacts the game as much as the QB in football, but I see what you're getting at.

Brady = Favre only when he starts throwing 50-yd INT's into triple coverage in the first quarter of 0-0 games rather than the fourth quarter of 27-13 games. If and when that happens, I fully expect he'll get the Favre treatment from broadcasters, unfortunately.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:33 (eighteen years ago) link


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