Taking Sides: Motown (The Sound of Detroit) v. Gamble & Huff (The Sound of Philadelphia)

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sorry about losing it there but that's what systematic hongro-isation does to people!

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 10:33 (twenty years ago) link

maybe that's because Philly gets blanketed in with disco so often? there's also the fact that Philadelphia International (and Sony, who owns them) are less profligate compilers than Motown, who are historically shameless, and the funk/NS/disco brigade, whom ditto (plus the rights are easier to come by in those cases). obviously that leaves out the non-PI stuff from the question, though. but maybe that's one explanation (out of many).

(Marcello, the phrase "underemployed Norwegian imbecile" is so matter-of-fact and dead-on and really rude all at once it cracks me up something fierce. nice one.)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 10:33 (twenty years ago) link

anyone know owt about producer bert de coteaux? amg renders him a bit of a rent-a-arranger but his work on main ingredient's tasteful soul lp is stunning. side 2 might be my fave thing ever, in turns chilling and rapturous. it's the one with 'spinning around (i must be falling in love)'... og main ingrdient line up seems vastly underrated

prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 10:51 (twenty years ago) link

is there any evidence that geir is employed at all? maybe he's employed seasonally, it would explain is occasional disappearance from ilx and then his sudden and passionate reappearances, sort of like a roach infestation.

marcello i started a thom bell vs gamble and huff thread which might have stuff for you on it

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 11:15 (twenty years ago) link

wow! i bought that philly box set out of reckless on saturday (£15)! wasn't your copy, was it?

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 11:20 (twenty years ago) link

maybe that's because Philly gets blanketed in with disco so often? there's also the fact that Philadelphia International (and Sony, who owns them) are less profligate compilers than Motown, who are historically shameless, and the funk/NS/disco brigade, whom ditto (plus the rights are easier to come by in those cases).

How many number one hits did Motown have?
How many number one hits did Philly have?

I think you have to take that into consideration too when you look at the number of compilations etc...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 12:01 (twenty years ago) link

HONGRO ARE YOU FUCKING ILLITERATE? DID THEY NOT TEACH YOU HOW TO READ OR WRITE IN THE ORPHANAGE?

GET OFF THIS FUCKING THREAD. SHUT UP. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR WORTHLESS OPINIONS OR YOUR WORTHLESS LIFE.

GOT IT?

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

I am in a weird MONDO-KIND-OF-WAY.

Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

In the early to mid 70s, no one did the Motown producer/artist style of production better than Gamble & Huff.

During that time, Motown artists like Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye were getting away from Motown model of producer/artist and making the calls themselves.

What Gamble and Huff were trying to do was completely based upon how Motown was run, but they had their own production sound, which many producers of that period seemed to emulate. Bowie even tried to channel their sound somewhat on "Young Americans", which says how influential their sound became.

earlnash, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

This thread is amazing! Geir is clearly an agent provocateur, but he brings out some bomb posts from other people. Hats off. May Polly Toynbee google this and find out the truth about those friendly left-liberal Scandinavians.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:44 (twenty years ago) link

Jesus Christ you are all fucking mentalists.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link

Well, some of you.

Carlin, in case you haven't bothered to read the top fifteen or so posts, this is NOT YOUR THREAD. People are perfectly entitled to talk about stuff unrelated to your question, even if they are talking complete nonsense. Fuck's sake...

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:10 (twenty years ago) link

Geir have you ever heard the Paper Faces remix of Grey Day by Zoot Woman.

(maybe only I get this joke)

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

yes the vitriol directed at Geir is ridiculously ott once again

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

I know, how can you hate someone with so much love in their soul (well, rock)

chris (chris), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

Bad person saying geir is illiterate when his args, while wrong, are always very clearly argued.

Anyhow, Philly soul (great btw) gave way to 'disco' (not good, as in bee gees/whitebread stuff). That was what was bad. 'disco' eventually gave way to idunno better stuff.

FWIW, i never liked chic/beegees/etc, but things got better. oh yes they did.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

robin, i don't hate the way geir calls The Beatles "The Beatles", because the definite article is part of The Beatles' name, if they were simple called "Beatles", minus the "The", then they would be the Beatles. it's only like calling The Rapture "The Rapture" or The The "The The" (after all, "the The" would look silly and be wrong). i don't believe there is any political motivation here, just him being right. everything else he is saying is tosh, but then again, according to you, i'm just a right-wing lunatic who wants to keep black people/music in their/its place aren't i? equally as bullshit and baseless a postulation as any of the gibberish geir has spouted here.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

Can we have a moratorium on accusing one another of racism please?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago) link

nazi!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

But interestingly enough...

http://www.inmusicwetrust.com/articles/images/29/r33.jpg

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

hahaha!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago) link

it looks stupid!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago) link

Did they cover The Wall or something? It wouldn't surprise me.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago) link

why this sudden rush to the defence of hongro?

is it because i attacked him?

one law for carlin, another law for everybody else on ilx part 2450.

you people would probably come out in favour of paedophilia if i attacked it.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link

People have been defending Geir pretty much since he started posting.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

enoch powell's arguments were always clearly very argued.

so let's get rid of this relativism. hongro is a stinking racist piece of shit who, if the moderators had any guts at all, would long have been banned from these boards.

his mother should have had an abortion rather than make us suffer.

in future when i ask a question on ilm or ilx i expect relevant answers. if you can't give them, keep your shit to yourself.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:15 (twenty years ago) link

"suffer"

in what way do we suffer, really?

chris (chris), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago) link

Marcello, quit it with the paranoia. You have been allowed to get away with all sorts of crap on these boards, including, it would appear, to wish that someone's mother had had an abortion instead of them.

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

Nah.

I'm not defending him.

I'm just finding it weird like a mondo film.

Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

My patience w/Geir waxes and wanes - at the moment it is at a low ebb though it wasn't HIS fault I clicked on the class part 3 thread. TS threads are to Geir as a monster great pot of honey is to a bear though so derailment is hardly unexpected.

The sad answer to your question AFAIK Marcello is "apart from the one Matos mentioned there aren't any good ones in the UK", the fashion in soul and disco reissues seems to cycle along with the fashion in pop reissues, so it's all 80s soul weekender stuff now and no love for Philly. It's hard to find on soulseek too :(

Xpost: if you want Geir to be banned ask on the Mods board Marcello. As it stands I don't think anything he does merits banning - he has some spectacularly wrong-headed ideas which he debates politely and without flaming or threatening other people. It's also not as if he's the thin end of any unpleasant wedge or is corrupting the hearts and minds of ILM - everyone disagrees with him all the time.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

marcello that was far more offensive than anything geir has ever said (unless you care to link to whatever supposedly racist comments he has made outside of an OTT PC context)

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

well, i told you about the sould jazz comp, or rather seconded it as a good introductory album, as most of their stuff is, but is saying someoen's mother should have had an abortin reall necessary? sometimes people forget that the people who post to these boards have lives and feelings and can be pissed off by what's said about them as people - like, for instance, i've been having a rough time over the past couple of months (nothing too terrible just little things piling up all at once and making life difficult) and carmody making fucking crazy-arsed assumptions about me and hurling accusations at me has *really* pissed me off. i think geir's opinions on music are almost universally wrong, i don't like the political implications of his aesthetic but he's hardly fucking hitler, is he? personally i'd be happy to lock robin and geir in a room so they can talk shit to one another morning, noon and night and none of us have to listen to either of them, but that aint gonna happen, so let's at least stick to telling people they're wrong, not effectively saying we wished they were dead, eh?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

Taking Sides: Mow Him Down (Ban The Hongro) vs Amble and Huff (Lets grudgingly put Up with Him).

omg, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

Don't get all freakin' META on the thread.

I ch-ch-choose THE SOUND OF PHILADELPHIA - those strings get me every time.

Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

this is a great story on Larry Gold a.k.a. "Don Cello" one of the creators of the Philly sound.(if you are interested in ancient history that is) i learned a lot from it.


http://citypaper.net/articles/2003-08-07/cover.shtml

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

and the yikes factor here is still pretty high

omg, Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

haha i think geir's "ideas" are actually more offensive than most of the stuff that passes (rightly or wrongly) for racism these days

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 5 February 2004 11:43 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
classic thread

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 30 December 2005 04:43 (eighteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

After four decades of lying dormant, a collection of unproduced tracks from the defunct Philly Groove label may one day find its way onto your playlist thanks to a partnership between Drexel and New York music publisher Reservoir.

http://drexelmagazine.org/2015/07/drexel-helps-long-gone-music-label-get-its-groove-back/

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 10 July 2015 12:20 (eight years ago) link

seven years pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/09/arts/music/joe-tarsia-dead.html

RIP Joe Tarsia engineer at his own Sigma studio in Philadelphia who worked on many a Philly soul record in the 70s

curmudgeon, Monday, 14 November 2022 16:50 (one year ago) link


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