funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this

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Go to Marcus Nasty's homepage Tricky -

The best one to start with is the Deja Vu FM show from late March with Quincy and Shanti on the mic.

The show with Rankin and Shanti is very good also.

Tim F, Monday, 9 June 2008 02:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

'sous le soleil' needs a funky house remix

deej, Monday, 9 June 2008 06:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

or like ... 'libre' by mambana

deej, Monday, 9 June 2008 06:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

Was pleased to note (in line with predictions I had made) that a decent UK funky house DJ set from DJ Smoothie T included both "Calabria 2007" and "Work"

That mix is downloadable from his myspace - a good overview of the scene with "Bongo Jam", "Devil In A Blue Dress", "Make Your Move", "Tell Me", Geeneus's "I Tried", Roska's "Feeline", "Do You Mind", Diamond's "Champagne Dance", TNT's "Take It Low" (love this one - "Up/down/roundanownanow..."), Marcus Nasty's big instrumental dubplates, and a couple of ace tracks I'm not familiar with, including a marvellous smoov-but-secretly-ruff remix of Floetry by TNT which is like the funky house equivalent of "Sincere" or TJ Cases's "Dedicated To Love".

I wonder if this is the same TNT as the UK garage producer who did "Easy Lovin' You"...

Tim F, Monday, 9 June 2008 14:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hey Tim, any idea what the track after Champagne Dance on the Smoothie T mix is? The Footloose remix of who exactly?

The one with the big horns and the electrofunk synths that sounds a bit like old Ruff Sqwad?

Hell, it even reminds me a little of Jammer's old beats, only at what 128 bpm?

This stuff really is like the best parts of early grime and weird late 2-step except not in the 138 bpm region. Which is a good thing by me.

I want to try mixing this stuff with some older slower speed garage and see how it sounds.

Siah Alan, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 07:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

For those who're interested, UKrecordshop and Rhythm Division have some vinyl you can order online, including "Tell me", "Do you mind", "Segalizer" and "Mr Bean". That seems to be pretty much all there is around on vinyl...

J@cob, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 07:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

Thank you, its been awhile since I've ordered anything from the UK.

Couldn't afford to keep up with dubstep at the pound to dollar exchange rate.

Looks like its time to eat some Ramen again!

Siah Alan, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 08:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

xxpost - I don't know that track! It's great though - yeah very Ruff Sqwad. Infuriating how Smoothie T says "You all know this one!"

I have heard that female vocal before: "You're in the club/getting down/shake that bottle/spray it round round round."

Tim F, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh no that's from "Champagne Dance" (previous duck) duh. The track we're talking about has the Lady Saw style vocals.

Tim F, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

For those who're interested, UKrecordshop and Rhythm Division have some vinyl you can order online, including "Tell me", "Do you mind", "Segalizer" and "Mr Bean". That seems to be pretty much all there is around on vinyl...

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!!! thnx man

deej, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

would love to know if that arms rmx ever gets vinyl release ;D

deej, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 01:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

Deej did you ever hear any of the "R&G" stuff ("rhythm & grime") from about three/four years ago?

Not all of it was hot but some of the rhythmic programming on the best stuff was mindblowing, like KT Pearl's "Mr DJ" - top track!

yeah i was into a lot of this stuff, i think its more alienating than two step or funky house for american audiences tho

deej, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 02:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

maybe not tho, im listening to 'mr dj' again and i could see it working ... it doesnt really fit in w/ the vibe i go for tho, a little too much dramatic seriousness where my thing has been drifting towards laid back/summery like cali rap and mid 90s r&b, that lonyo track, a little balaeric, etc

deej, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 02:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah very different vibe to that!

Do you know the Wookie remix of Gabrielle's "Sunshine" deej? Definition of laidback 2-step.

I think if I heard "Champagne Dance" out of context I would think it was an R&G track (what confused me re siah alan's question above is that I think this sounds a bit like Ruff Sqwad too...).

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 02:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

Do you all like that "Old school love" track? Fits with your eden narrative Tim...

J@cob, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 05:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

The dub version of Sunshine is still my favorite 2-step track.

Weird, I never picked up a copy, really need to get on that.

I almost thought that there was another track between Champagne Dance and the next one with the female vocals, maybe its just the intro, I was pretty tired when I wrote my last post.

The one with "Don't... you... want... to... be... my.. baby"

Anyways, Footloose = badman in my estimation.

His myspace give my computer a migraine though.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 06:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

I worked it out: it's a remix of Ear Dis' "I Feel".

Ear Dis is Arms and one other guy. The original is pretty ace too - classy but rhythmically screwy broken beat pop, like a ruffer Vikter Dupleix.

I wonder if broken beat producers will invade this scene. Certainly Zed Bias should.

Agree re Footloose, I also love his remix of Che'Nelle's "Hurry Up".

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 09:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

What's the "old skool love" track jacob?

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 09:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

This far and yet no mention of "Daddy-O"?

Siegbran, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 09:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

It's a song all about the 'old days' of 2-step, namechecks lots of songs and then goes on about how the singer wants some 'old school love'. Sounds almost like Craig David...

Crazi Cousinz, Paleface and Scratcha all playing it I think.

J@cob, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 10:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

Need to check that.

Tadow's "Rising Sun" (took me ages to ID this one) is probably the best track (or one of the best) for MCs to ride owing to those 8-bar style switches between the latin piano chords and the throbbing bass sections - works best if pitched up slightly. Anyway I'm mentioning it because there's an insane remix of it that's totally on a fucked up technicolour grime tip. Invasion Records running things right now...

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 13:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Siegbran, I've only heard a bassline version of "Daddy O" - it's great though. Is there a funky version?

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 15:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

Soul Seekerz mix is the funky one, there's also your Fedde Le Grand-style fart-bass version (Micky Slim) and an oldskool UKG version by 187 Lockdown.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 15:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Soul Seekerz mix is the funky one" - this means "funky" in the typical, non Marcus Nasty sense, right? We're not talking grimy synths and soca beats I assume.

But I'm excited by the notion of the return of 187 Lockdown.

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 15:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

Also, Wideboys back into the R&G as well.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 15:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, Wideboys are always so accomodating with their different remixes:

1 Snowflake (Wideboys Original Club Mix) (3:50)
Remix - Wideboys*
2 Snowflake (Wideboys House Mix) (5:55)
Remix - Wideboys*
3 Snowflake (Future Freakz Remix) (6:34)
Remix - Future Freakz
4 Snowflake (Wideboys Bumpy Mix) (6:12)
Remix - Wideboys*
5 Snowflake (Wideboys Dutty Bass Mix) (4:54)
Remix - Wideboys*
6 Snowflake (4/4 Organ Mix) (4:26)
7 Snowflake (Wideboys Up Norf Big Booty Bassline Mix) (5:24)
Remix - Wideboys*
8 Snowflake (Wideboys R&G Mix) (2:47)

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

still trying to ID some tracks:

1) On that classic Marcus Nasty set with Rankin and Quincy, the R&G-ish track with the vocals "Ohhh, I want you oh so close, I wanted you to know, that you are takin' over, over me."

2) A track that samples Jagged Edge singing "rolling down the lonely highway asking God to please forgive me..." with piano and fabulous mechanical percussion,

Tim F, Thursday, 12 June 2008 11:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

now jamming: bongo jam

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deej, Thursday, 12 June 2008 12:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

related: lol

deej, Thursday, 12 June 2008 12:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

Thats building off of recent discussion at Dissensus and this thread, any thoughts would be appreciated.

Siah Alan, Friday, 13 June 2008 11:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

Anyone care that DJ Bossman has become DJ Perempay, purveyor of high quality Funky house with a minimal influence?

He's got some good mixes up on his blog.

Siah Alan, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 07:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yo Alan I liked your piece a lot but I don't see why funky house abandons "forward" as a principle, at least relative to dubstep (unless you literally mean "FWD>").

Producers like Roska are at least almost as rhythmically inventive as Mala's best work surely? And have had a lot less time in which to prove themselves (compare/contrast the body of amazing grooves in dubstep circa 2002 with funky house circa 2008 and who wins??? Funky house obv)

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 06:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think the problem with that piece is that there seem to be two currents within the UK scene right now.

One seems to be pushing towards experimentalism and using the same sonic palette as grime, and the other is towards the same kind of sonic conservatism we were talking about in the other thread.

I was reacting against that more than against people like Mentor Roska or Apple (who is beating Shackleton at his own game) or even some of Geeneus' stuff.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

And I'm still getting around the fact that I now agree with all those producers who gave up on dubstep, house is more rewarding in the long run.

Just wish Zed Bias would start making this stuff, it would fit perfectly with his broken beat production work.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

Its funny Mala has referred to some of his earliest production work as kind of weird skippy broken house. I wonder what he thinks of this scene, or if he's even aware of it.

Apparently he's going to be playing at the Berghain in a couple of weeks, I wonder how a man who appears to be a devout Rastafarian (sweetest guy I've ever met as well) is going to handle the atmosphere in there.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Mala is everything that's right about dubstep.

J@cob, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

Musically I mean, I don't even know what he looks like!

J@cob, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

i don't "get" this music yet. should i start with supa d's mix on rinse? or is there something free i should check out first? looking at myspace gives me a headache. ..

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

I liked this DJ Smoovie T set. Thanks Tim.

Its got a very London bedroom DJ feel to it, plus its got a lot of the scene anthems in there as well.

Dude's just funny.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah I chose Mala as shorthand for "the best/most interesting stuff that dubstep has to offer" - and tracks like "Neverland" and "Forgive" could work in a funky house set.

Alan I think there is that conservative vibe you mention to a lot of funky house but I really don't go for almost any of that stuff - Perempay has underwhelmed me to date for this reason, pretty much.

But I don't think this is a cause for real concern - as we discussed upthread it's a lot like the conservative approach of a lot of speed garage. In the end I think the experimental/grimey end of the scene will become almost irresistible. Perhaps not Apple (who's probably destined to be the Dem 2 of the scene - a revered, pivotal figure, but one that got to the future too soon) but definitely producers like Footloose will (I'm guessing) ultimately be setting the trend in the next twelve months.

The Tuff Jam story is apposite - the central figures on the scene in 1997 (in terms of cross-the-board cred - as distinct from the breakout populism of Julian Jonah/187 Lockdown), they resisted 2-step right through 1998/1999, but by 2000 Matt Lamont was making 2-step tracks and putting out 2-step-dominated DJ mixes.

Vahid the Supa D mix is okay but not mindblowing. If you haven't downloaded any of the marcus nasty sets try this one first:

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

You're probably right about Footloose, although have you checked out any of Perempay's production work? Some of it is really good, I quite like Hypnotize.

He's a very technically talented DJ, just wish he'd take a few chances here or there.

Here's another take on the scene from RA writer Jacob Burns.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

Woah there's two RA writers called Jacob who like funky house??

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jacob Wright likes it too? Didn't know that.

Jacob Burns is a Scottish writer and musician, very big into dubstep and minimal. Now progressively getting more into funky, I really value his opinion.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

It now occurs to my drunk brain that J@cob could possibly be Mr. Wright.

Sorry about that, carry on.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yep that's me.

J@cob, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm not too quick on the uptake sometimes,

So yeah, how about that new Mentor Roska release ?

Up now on Juno

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

listening to that smoovie t mix ...

i like it, reminds me of that very very short-lived ragga house / soca house moment from 2004-2005

stuff like MAW ft nas:t & denise "work", basement jaxx "missing you" remix, jess & crabbe's various ragga-hip-house hybrids, etc

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 19 June 2008 07:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

Here's a slightly newer one of Smoovie's in case anyones interested.

Siah Alan, Thursday, 19 June 2008 07:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

04-05 vahid?

Yeah the way that Smoovie actually uses "Work" and "Calabria" in the first mix really rams this home. The "Missing You" remix would fit in perfectly here. I'm really hoping that Basement Jaxx start responding to this (I just don't think their trebly Switch homages are as good as they could be).

There's a couple of ragga-hip-housey new tracks actually. Like that one the Crazi Cousinz play with the sped up R&B vocal ("She says she like's it THAT way/so me give it to her THAT way") for the verse and then Vybz Kartel for the chorus ("More/Raw/Hard to the core"). Or the one that just samples Bounty Killer's "yallow yallow" call.

Interestingly another big recycled hit on the scene is Bugs In The Attic's remix of Amy Winehouse's "In My Bed" - for that slightly shrill broken beat R&B vibe. I guess that was the raviest Bugs ever got.

Tim F, Thursday, 19 June 2008 08:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

Thought i'd make the jump over from dissensus for this. Let me start by asking if anyone knows what this is -

Seriously wonky drums with a huge bassline and just a few hints of piano. Off that crazy couzinz launch party cd, its track 20. MC saying its the DJ naughty remix, but not what of.


sodiumnightlife, Thursday, 19 June 2008 09:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

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